Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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If Picard in season 3 does that to Kirk I will just laugh. I‘m the Comedian at this point it’s all a joke there are no sacred cows even when they come for Mister Rogers for not being nice enough to, I dunno, fuck the King of Town on TV I’ll just laugh because what can you really do anymore other than that or go /pol/ and I refuse to be /pol/?

Also if anything TNG Picard was ALWAYS immensely aware of his own privilege in his role and while early on he acted somewhat cantankerous and loud he became quite humble, reflective, and always respectful of his position on how it was toward others so attacking it as some kind of ‘white ivory tower‘ bullshit when it was an honest attempt to be a liberal happy paradise is fucking HILARIOUS BECAUSE ITS MY OWN SIDE EATING ITSELF. JESUS CHRIST I HATE YOU WOKE FAGGOTS.
 
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Meriasek said:
I think it's a great opportunity to piss off Nu Trek fans.
Just tell them that in the 24th century people are enlightened and the concept of "trans" and the need to point it out simply doesn't exist anymore. Anyone feeling transgender can fully and completely change and it would be fully accepted. There would be no need to say "trans women are women", because, well, there are just men and women.
"Trans" would be fully accepted and treated as equal to the point where the concept doesn't exist anymore.
But the troon activists don't want that. They want to be special.

I couldn't bring myself to watch more than a few episodes of Discovery. It is just painfully bad. Made worse by every single character being intensely unlikeable, and the whole thing being shot with awful cinematography. And I guess the characters get worse with ongoing seasons?
Star Wars got it bad now, but the utter contempt Nu Trek writers have for what Star Trek used to be about and the people who liked it is honestly sickening.
God I hope there's gonna be another season of The Orville soon...
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Also homosexuality has been discovered to have a genetic origin. For this reason, it has largely been screened out of existence.

Both my headcanon, and yeah its a great way to piss those people off.
 
Preferred Penne said:
If anything, I would think it would create more opportunities to do just that, as they could create the idea that "ANYONE CAN BE TRANS~!"
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I distinctly recall seeing something recently from some woke corner of the internet online about how gender changing magic is problematic. So yeah, wokies would complain about it. It's what they do. You literally cannot win with them.

Starscreams Cape said:
I tend to agree that Trek fans are being raped by a psychopath with a knife in a back alley while Wars is being raped by a couple of frat boys at a drunken party (at least on a bed). But let's not entirely dismiss what they did to Luke Skywalker in TFA. The hero and Savior of the galaxy is portrayed as a lazy, self-loathing, miserable hermit who almost, IN COLD BLOOD, murdered his nephew.

Nu-Trek has not yet done something like that to Kirk. Not yet.
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Well Nu Trek has turned Picard into a groveling, self-flagellating old man with none of the optimism or intelligence he previously had. It's not THAT far off.

There's also an interesting observation I heard a Star Wars tuber make recently (yeah, I ended up watching another one of those, in spite of myself). Rian Johnson fucked up many things in TLJ, but Jake Skywalker is also partly the fault of Jar Jar Abrams and his shitty mystery boxes. He's the one who had Luke abandon the galaxy in its hour of need. Rian was stuck with the unenviable task of having to explain why, when JJ has shown repeatedly that even he can't come up with a good answer for his bullshit. If Rian weren't such an unjustifiably smug asshole, I could actually forgive him horribly botching it under those circumstances.

So it took TWO hack writer/directors amplifying each other's worst traits to come up with the shittiness of Jake Skywalker. Nu Trek on the other hand has come up with shit like "the Vulcan Hello" or... basically EVERYTHING about the Klingons, which are basically the same level of character assassination to an entire race. And that's not getting into everything they've done with their depiction of the Federation. They do this stuff repeatedly.
 
Doctor Placebo said:
There's also an interesting observation I heard a Star Wars tuber make recently (yeah, I ended up watching another one of those, in spite of myself). Rian Johnson fucked up many things in TLJ, but Jake Skywalker is also partly the fault of Jar Jar Abrams and his shitty mystery boxes. He's the one who had Luke abandon the galaxy in its hour of need. Rian was stuck with the unenviable task of having to explain why, when JJ has shown repeatedly that even he can't come up with a good answer for his bullshit. If Rian weren't such an unjustifiably smug asshole, I could actually forgive him horribly botching it under those circumstances.
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The fun part of TLJ is that Rian didn't even attempt to fix any of JJ's stuff... I can actually respect that. Yeah Luke ran away for no reason, yeah Rey is all-powerful for no reason, yeah the faction that triumphed in Return of the Jedi is somehow worse off than they were at the beginning of A New Hope. And Snoke is nobody and doesn't matter at all and there's no reason to care about him. Rian didn't trash JJ's amazing original plans for any of that. They never had anything.

And as for Star Trek, they can deepfake Shatner Kirk blowing Nimoy Spock and I won't care, it doesn't matter, not any more than it would matter if BASED Filoni retconned the ST out of existence in his own gay fanfiction. Trek is indestructible and Wars is unfixable.
 
Preferred Penne said:
I'm just waiting for Nu-Trek to introduce the Fluidity Device, a magical gizmo that lets you change genders with the push of a button.
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Already a thing from Picard. This sex toy uses the power of imagination to turn anything to anything else.

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If you have insta gender changing magic or technology than the whole idea of being a tranny as something brave or remarkable completely disappears. It makes gender little more than clothing you wear one day. It undermines the entire ideological impetus that transgenderism is about.
 
JamesFargo said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=i0XbZpb6dSw:17
I’m not a fan of how they inserted their own personal beliefs onto Captain Picard. The criticism was disrespectful, as well; you work toward a character's strengths, not write them into the ground.
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Starfleet doesn't feel as important, unlike in older versions. It's also bizarre how violent this era is. Kurtz and a Chabon lost touch with the family audience. (DS9 was very bleak and grim, but it was a good contrast with other Trek shows from that era.)

I get the sense that they would be better off writing screenplays for dark sci-fi like Blade Runner, because their style is not suited for Star Trek, and the actors aren't suited for hard drama.

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They've made so many stupid mistakes that it could be easily seen as sabotage.
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I remember reading that article. So incredibly stupid. Klingons are only “marginalized” if you see them as code for brown people. Just utter dogshit.
 
Grand Wizard Wakka said:
Its funny, in the Star Wars thread they talk about how good Star Trek fans have it and how it hasn't been ruined like Star Wars. As a fan of both, I couldn't disagree more. Peak ignorance.
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Absolutely. They simply could not believe that star trek was doing worse then star wars. Couldn't even fathom it. I can actually enjoy the new odd star wars product here and there and pretend the sequels dont exist. I cant do that with star trek anymore, it's past and future canon is fucked up and almost nothing enjoyable is happening.
Doctor Placebo said:
So it took TWO hack writer/directors amplifying each other's worst traits to come up with the shittiness of Jake Skywalker. Nu Trek on the other hand has come up with shit like "the Vulcan Hello" or... basically EVERYTHING about the Klingons, which are basically the same level of character assassination to an entire race. And that's not getting into everything they've done with their depiction of the Federation. They do this stuff repeatedly.
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Agreed. they blow full speed ahead into a vortex of shit in star trek, where as star wars actively seems like its trying to not fuck up as much.
 
Apart of me thinks that due to the lower requirements of streaming services in terms of viewership, Paramount does genuinely think Kurtzman trek is successful. By the metrics they have it is. Doesn’t matter if it can’t gain more than 200,000 views-more than a hundred thousand an episode is worthy of continuing a series.

So unfortunately the Kurtzman era will likely last for years or even decades.
 
As for Kurtzman himself, looking at a few Reddit threads, I get the impression he has gotten where he is due to nepotism and playing ball with the studio.

He’s a corporate creature like Abrams. Play ball with the studio and don’t antagonize the producers, and you’ll get whatever you want.
 
JamesFargo said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=i0XbZpb6dSw:17
I’m not a fan of how they inserted their own personal beliefs onto Captain Picard. The criticism was disrespectful, as well; you work toward a character's strengths, not write them into the ground.
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Starfleet doesn't feel as important, unlike in older versions. It's also bizarre how violent this era is. Kurtz and a Chabon lost touch with the family audience. (DS9 was very bleak and grim, but it was a good contrast with other Trek shows from that era.)
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I wouldn't say DS9 was that bleak (unless you consider the fate of certain worlds), but it definitely had its grim moments, although the way it approached war and violence was done with respect and meaning. Do you see NuTrek depict violence outside of sheer shock value? DS9 also had the courtesy to have fun (based Ferengi) without overstaying its share. Do you see NuTrek be funny without just popping up tone deaf Redditier "humor"?
 
amateur professional lurk said:
also, i thought the name excalibur was already taken for a ship?
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Excelsior is a major ship featured on screen (Star Trek III, Sulu's ship in Star Trek VI and beyond). Excalibur may or may not be a ship in beta canon / extended universe. Don't recall it being used on screen.

Sexual Chocolate said:
Apart from being rampantly heterosexual (the guy was married 5 times) the only thing he loved more than writing was fighting, either with words, lawyers or fists.
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Smol Man Syndrome. Keep in mind Nimoy and Shatner were not particularly large individuals themselves.
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Grand Wizard Wakka said:
Its funny, in the Star Wars thread they talk about how good Star Trek fans have it and how it hasn't been ruined like Star Wars. As a fan of both, I couldn't disagree more. Peak ignorance.
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Star Trek is fucked and it's depressing, but for whatever reason both JJ and Kurtzman -Trek have been unwilling or unable to associate themselves with actual legacy pre-2005 Star Trek in a hard and fast way. In fact, apart from discrete visual references amounting to cameos everything we see in their version(s) of Star Trek is a vague and askew ersatz take on Star Trek. Even the so-called "prime" universe depicted in Star Trek 2009 does not look or feel like pre-2005 Star Trek from that era of the timeline. There are theories about why this is but the upshot is that actual Star Trek up to 2005 has been largely insulated from the poz of nuTrek. However, they seem to be getting away with more and more as time goes on. Picard had entire dream segments meant to 1:1 replicate Data, Picard and the TNG Enterprise but they don't do much more damage to Trek than William Shatner's DirectTV ad spots did.
This is because the rest of the show is so completely out-of-character and off relative to the source material of TNG. When the closest, most canon-accurate show in your nuTrek Universe is a fucking parody cartoon, you know something is amiss with this entire era of Trek.

Star Wars, on the other hand, has it significantly worse. Not only did they get the same spiritual raping that Star Trek got (complete with reprisal and butchering of beloved legacy characters), but theirs is much, much more visually/aesthetically contiguous with original Star Wars. If the opportunity ever comes to disentangle the franchises from the mess of the CURRENT YEAR, Star Trek will at present be significantly easier because not only has it been largely visually and tonally protected, but it does not center around a single mythological arc (that was largely debased and vandalized in the current iterations). Q could snap his fingers and literally undo all the damage that was done by nuTrek (opportunity costs notwithstanding). Star Wars, being fantasy and not sci-fi, is much more fragile and sadly it appears to already be broken beyond repair (or at least ruined for all future spin-offs). The good news for them is that they will always have their original trilogy that constitutes a complete story so all is not lost.
 
Ike Aim said:
Excelsior is a major ship featured on screen (Star Trek III, Sulu's ship in Star Trek VI and beyond). Excalibur may or may not be a ship in beta canon / extended universe. Don't recall it being used on screen.
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excelsior is probably what i was thinking of.
Ike Aim said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HE__4bb3r0Y
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whenever i see anything commercials like this i cant help but think of bill hicks talking about leno and his doritos commercials.. dont these greedy assholes have enough money or shame that they wont whore themselves out for commercials?
(the actual commercial bit starts at 1:50)
 
Shamash said:
I remember reading that article. So incredibly stupid. Klingons are only “marginalized” if you see them as code for brown people. Just utter dogshit.
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But Klingons aren't brown, they're Soviets. There's only one brown race in star trek, and they won't give us the covid vaccine unless we give them a blonde woman.
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I looked up the author, she’s some black race hustler activist…so what else is there to say?
 
amateur professional lurk said:
excelsior is probably what i was thinking of.


whenever i see anything commercials like this i cant help but think of bill hicks talking about leno and his doritos commercials.. dont these greedy assholes have enough money or shame that they wont whore themselves out for commercials?
(the actual commercial bit starts at 1:50)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=g1WLZtJVF34:110
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I'll be fair that iirc Shat had had stretches where he was legit fucking broke, so I can understand if he runs his hustle a little harder than a lot of people.
 
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