Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Star Trek Online had already brought the bluegills back years ago. But had used them [living mind control tools] as means to an end by one of the setting's big bad.
I really don't mind the Expanded material having a go at all the half bad ideas of the show. Heck I enjoy the Q Continuum trilogy for creating a unifying arc for the worst episodes of trek.

But that's where it should stay. The bluegill should be a fun game Easter egg or treat or deck archetype. They shouldn't be an arc villain.
 
I want to know what happened to the Yangs and the Komms. I'd like to see a 3-part episode about that.
Numerous ideas which were pitched around for the 30th anniversary. One involved the DS9 crew visiting the mobster planet from TOS, where they find that the inhabitants have gone on to emulate Starfleet.

The unfilmed fifth season of ENT would have included the character Flint, the cloud city Stratos, and the Tan Ru probe.🤔
 
STD is making the slug aliens from TNG S1 episode Conspiracy into the Big Baddies. I also haven't seen Lt. Uwu or the other helmsmen in a couple of episode. This concludes your weekly recap of STD.
Honestly, with good writing it would be great. They were supposed to be TNG's big bad before they thought up the borg.

Conspiracy was one of the best episodes of season 1 for being so freaky and based

Allegedly they had an action figure of that guy who gets blown up, but ive never been able to find an image.


With STD.... well we should get some good gore and eyeball poping effects at least.
 
Conspiracy was one of the best episodes of season 1 for being so freaky and based
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It could have worked as a hand-wavey explanation for why they don't pop back in time all the time to rescue whales. "Oh, we can't do that anymore since the Time War."
I hear there was an rather interesting novel series built around this entire concept staring the guys from that one ds9 episode....

Oh WOW did anybody talk about how they completely shit canned the novel verse like they did for star wars?

Only this time, they decided to literally kill everyone and openly destroy the book timeline to save the "prime" timeline. lol

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Apparnelty the Devidians are behind this? It's such a shit show.

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It's filled up the ass with Picard references too, Yay.
 

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It's not enough for Stewart to ruin his legacy, then. They're brainwashing the populace to accept that a dystopian future is inevitable.

I mean, since we're living in a cyberpunk dystopia it's a fair assumption the future will be even fatter and gayer amirite

Do Vulcans have the same haircut because it's a genetic trait, or do they cut it that way because it's practical (logical)?

Autism.

Edit, holy fuck. In looking up Nilsson I came across a still of Tilly from one of the the first episodes:
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These uniforms suck, but idk enough about fashion to explain why they suck, exactly. I guess the first problem is they look like generic wardrobe from a SyFy production made in Canada. They're not stylish enough to say "the future!", but they're also not practical looking. STE had pretty bland, low key uniforms, but they looked like something people would actually wear to work in a spacegoing submarine

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I mean, since we're living in a cyberpunk dystopia it's a fair assumption the future will be even fatter and gayer amirite



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These uniforms suck, but idk enough about fashion to explain why they suck, exactly. I guess the first problem is they look like generic wardrobe from a SyFy production made in Canada. They're not stylish enough to say "the future!", but they're also not practical looking. STE had pretty bland, low key uniforms, but they looked like something people would actually wear to work in a spacegoing submarine

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Probably because Star Trek has always had color coded uniforms as part of it's aesthetic, part of the 60s Technicolor legacy of TOS (I don't know how to phrase that better, actual design people plz halp.) The only show to really deviate from this formula was, as you noted, Enterprise which 1) wasn't good, 2) wasn't popular, 3) tried to go in for "realism" but couldn't stick the landing because this is Star Trek, where you can go to take a piss and get your DNA rewritten by a nebulous cloud of space-magic.
 
Probably because Star Trek has always had color coded uniforms as part of it's aesthetic, part of the 60s Technicolor legacy of TOS (I don't know how to phrase that better, actual design people plz halp.) The only show to really deviate from this formula was, as you noted, Enterprise which 1) wasn't good, 2) wasn't popular, 3) tried to go in for "realism" but couldn't stick the landing because this is Star Trek, where you can go to take a piss and get your DNA rewritten by a nebulous cloud of space-magic.
The ENT uniforms are fine, they look like actual working Navy fatigues.

The STD ones are just generic and bad and kind of gaudy with the shoulder shit.
 
I hear there was an rather interesting novel series built around this entire concept staring the guys from that one ds9 episode....

Oh WOW did anybody talk about how they completely shit canned the novel verse like they did for star wars?

Only this time, they decided to literally kill everyone and openly destroy the book timeline to save the "prime" timeline. lol

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Apparnelty the Devidians are behind this? It's such a shit show.

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It's filled up the ass with Picard references too, Yay.
Wait, how on earth am I just hearing this?

I thought they left the novel timeline to rot with Picard.

They actually went and blew up the timeline?

Wow.

One thing the Treklit writers were, was respectful of their audience (mostly because it was so small, and thus could be directly engaged with).

So, I'll give him credit for this. Disney is incapable of even this sort of acknowledgement.
 
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Wait, how on earth am I just hearing this?

I thought they left the novel timeline to rot with Picard.

They actually went and blew up the timeline?

Wow.


One thing the Treklit writers were, was respectful of their audience (mostly because it was so small, and thus could be directly engaged with).

So, I'll give him credit for this. Disney is incapable of even this sort of acknowledgement.
Yes.

The Coda final from what ive read has cool ideas and concepts , but I really take offense with how... soul crushingly dark it seems. This is how you want to end it all? It's not just a simple reset button, it's not something as banal and friendly as some of the TNG episodes. It's a several years worth of book canon being butchered. Basically everyone sacrifices themselves to give picard a chance to hit the deuniverse button and boom.

(It is clearly stated that the book universe is not the prime timeline, and that everything must die so that the live action universe lives and the Devidians dont get the idea to eat universes ever again. The IDEA mind you not their existence, so they could conceivably figure it out again later. )

Why? Why did they feel the need to do this? People weren't pissed off that star wars didn't properly end the EU, they were pissed off it wasn't properly UTILIZED.

The plot of how the devidians got the idea to start eating entire timelines is interesting, and the idea that multiple timelines branched out after the events of First contact is neat too. It's just so glaring how this book is pushed out to force everything to end. The authors had a sick kind of glee from killing off all these characters needlessly until picard and his family were the only ones left.



One plus is that every book in this series has a version of Wesley dying horrbly, I think the bad guys even harvest his organs at one point.




Riker going off the deep end is explained away as temporal sickness from his AU counterparts dying, but the whole thing feels like an excuse plot to get him to fight Picard, especially after earth gets destroyed and he somehow takes command of starfleet. Not even the William Shatner novels took that low hanging fruit with Sulu.

Im not going to tell you all the star trek novels were perfect or anything, but it was somewhat comforting to know that there was a Picard out there who banged Crusher, had a kid and wasn't some old has been on a winery.






Oh and they felt the need to shove Benny Russell in there at the end writing about star trek picard novel The Last Best Hope....

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The one where Picard repeatedly fucks up and is a complete debie downer.

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They also invalided star trek countdown. Where Picard retired to be an ambassador like spock. I actually liked that quite a bit.

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I mean, since we're living in a cyberpunk dystopia it's a fair assumption the future will be even fatter and gayer amirite
It's hilarious because people are posting on Major Grin's channel (now that Tilly has changed career paths) that perhaps...
  • "'I was in line for the Captain's Chair' was the name of a buffet restaurant,"
  • "She should be captain of a freighter, 'cause she's the freight,"
  • "So tons of fun has actually left the show?,"
  • "I don't think she can sit in any chair with armrests at this point,"
  • "This can't be Star Trek, did anyone else see Jabba the Hutt on their screen?,"
  • "This show is irretrievably broken, and speaking of things that are broken: Ensign Tilly's chair," and
  • "My takeaway is that female Captains were not allowed because the bridge didn't have a cargo turbolift."
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I think the best star trek novels, are a lot of old pulpy TOS ones. Especially the ones taking place after wrath of khan.

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this one was especially fun,







I remember enjoying the crap out of one in particular "The First Adventure"

The character interactions everybody has are ABSOLUTE gold. Dam fine writing.


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It starts out with the Enterprise doing the most milk run mission possible. Carrying a bunch of circus performers around outlying outposts to raise federation morale. This leads into into a standoff with the Klingon's over an alien ship on the border of the neutral zone. Then things get awesome. Kirk riding a flying space horse to save Spock awesome.


It really hits that sweet spot of real character interactions, and engaging action.


The first encounter between Spock and McCoy IS SOLID GOLD PRESSED LATNUM GOOD. Absolutely fantastic how everybody gets a moment to shine and grow in this.

I love how despite this being an origin story of sorts for kirk, it strikes enough of a balance between him being inexperienced and badass to make it engaging. He doesn't get the girl, but he does save half the universe!



One thing that is absolutely hilarious, is that this does a fantastic job showing the Klingon's first contact with Shakesphere. Naturally I assumed this came out after undiscovered country. NOPE 1986!
 
Did they ever expand on the adventures of Captain Dr. Fraiser Crane?
No, and they really should have. An entire Starfleet crew getting pushed (I did the math, it's like) 90 years into the future could have been a really interesting story.

They did do this though...
Kelsey Grammer was obviously the Klingon in that skit, but it actually goes even deeper than that...
 
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