Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Michael Wade]

Why did we never get a sulu show? That came pretty dam close to being a thing if I remember correctly. Politics aside, I think I would have enjoyed that. Closest we got was that Mirror universe game.

I just found a blast from the past, in this old ass 1998 PC gaming magazine with info on canceled star trek games, I think you guys would like it. ill have it up in a few.

 

[draggs]

It's downright criminal that we haven't had an ST show in 20 years that is about exploring strange new worlds and civilizations and facing ethical problems with the perspective of an optimistic society that has solved nearly all its internal challenges

 

[Raoul_Duke]

It's downright criminal that we haven't had an ST show in 20 years that is about exploring strange new worlds and civilizations and facing ethical problems with the perspective of an optimistic society that has solved nearly all its internal challenges

Well, it hasn't been an optimistic twenty years.

 

[Michael Wade]

Ok Ive got a treat here. This all comes from a 1998 issue of PC gamer

First off we've got a canceled First Contact game from the dev team MicroProse.

They had previously made a videogame adaptation of star trek generations, which was basically a doom clone with original dialogue and an unlockable alt ending. (There's a path you can take where you never meet Kirk and the enterprise D doesn't get trashed.)

They wanted more leeway to try something different with First Contact, so the plan was to make it a sequel. With the borg queen hiding a copy of herself in the ship computer, taking over some poor scientist and kick starting things off again. Right off the bat the ambition for this game is inspiring, It would have 10 missions, AI companions, deathmatch multiplayer, every cast member with original dialogue, An exploreable enterprise, and we would have seen the enterprise E equivalent of 10 forward.

Alas, all these good ideas and ambition ran out of money, and it never came to be.

Got a little bit of grainy footage, but its pretty lagy and not too interesting.

Second we've got the much more popularly known Secret of Vulcan Fury. I think most of the details here are already well known, but you should get a kick out of it anyway. Ill always wonder how much dialogue they recorded for this before it was canceled.

Here's an extra render

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

Why did we never get a sulu show? That came pretty dam close to being a thing if I remember correctly. Politics aside, I think I would have enjoyed that.

What would be interesting about a Sulu show? The only character less interesting to base a show off might be Chekov. And considering how they screwed up a Picard show with adding the actor's political demands, really imagine what a Sulu show would be.

It's downright criminal that we haven't had an ST show in 20 years that is about exploring strange new worlds and civilizations and facing ethical problems with the perspective of an optimistic society that has solved nearly all its internal challenges

Something else, is that NuTrek is never relaxing. You'll never have wholesome future slice of life episodes like TNG and DS9 - which go a long way into getting to know characters and make them likeable, something NuTrek could use. Even in the height of the Dominion War, DS9 had episodes that were just dedicated to daily life and goofy stuff. Every season of NuTrek has to be one single galaxy in crisis storyline, and every single one of those episodes is nonstop whispering/screaming tension and explosions.

 

[DavidS877]

Something else, is that NuTrek is never relaxing. You'll never have wholesome future slice of life episodes like TNG and DS9 - which go a long way into getting to know characters and make them likeable, something NuTrek could use.

Oh come on, the last episode of Discovery had nearly a full minute discussing Dead Imaginary Troony Trills new body. Before everything started exploding again. And we learned that bridge guy whose name I don't remember surfs... as that's how the solved one of the problems in the episode. I still have no idea who any of the bridge crew are, or really what they do, or if they have any personalities at all.

If you have a very small cast you can get the big arc and some character development done in a short season(like maybe the Mandalorian) but with as many people as Discovery has and the giant galaxy eating arc there's no time left to learn anything about the characters.

 

[Michael Wade]

What would be interesting about a Sulu show? The only character less interesting to base a show off might be Chekov. And considering how they screwed up a Picard show with adding the actor's political demands, really imagine what a Sulu show would be.

Oh now it would suck, no question. But I remember this was being considered early enough that there was potential it could have been great. George has a stick up his ass, but he can act.

Honesty id enjoy a Chekov show too, his problem is he never got enough screentime. Walter was underused.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

What would be interesting about a Sulu show? The only character less interesting to base a show off might be Chekov. And considering how they screwed up a Picard show with adding the actor's political demands, really imagine what a Sulu show would be.

Captain Sulu series would have been made in the late 90s, early 2000s which was before he went turbo woke. Now, if it was made today, it would suck donkey balls.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

It's downright criminal that we never got a Captain Worf show,,,,

I'm pretty sure Dorn wants to put Worf behind him. He's done a few smaller films and tv appearances but so far he's always Mister Worf wherever he goes.

Ask Ed O'Neal how tuff it can be as a typecast actor. After Al Bundy he couldn't get work for 20 years because no matter what role he played the audience always just saw Al Bundy.

Which is a real crime as both Dorn and O''Neal have damn fine acting chops.

 

[Michael Wade]

I'm pretty sure Dorn wants to put Worf behind him. He's done a few smaller films and tv appearances but so far he's always Mister Worf wherever he goes.

Ask Ed O'Neal how tuff it can be as a typecast actor. After Al Bundy he couldn't get work for 20 years because no matter what role he played the audience always just saw Al Bundy.

Which is a real crime as both Dorn and O''Neal have damn fine acting chops.

It's a dam shame, but I totally understand that. Not many people can crawl out of that role hole. Shatner is one of the few that managed to be recognized for multiple things.

Man.... that show needs a thread on here. I feel like waxing nostalgic.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Ask Ed O'Neal how tuff it can be as a typecast actor.

I saw him on Miami Vice. An undercover cop who may or may not have joined the mob for real. He was freaking terrifying.

The story goes that audiences laughed when they saw him in The Spanish Prisoner. That's when Ed knew he was finished as a serious actor.

Man.... that show needs a thread on here. I feel like waxing nostalgic.

They robbed Hugh Laurie of an Emmy just to give it to Alan Shore.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

I'm pretty sure Dorn wants to put Worf behind him.

Dorn was asking for a Worf show before and even after Picard aired, IIRC.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Dorn was asking for a Worf show before and even after Picard aired

Bullet dodged.

 

[Potatoherder]

Would prefer an Ambassador Worf series, actually where he has to deal with Klingon political problems in ways that don't resort to military confrontation. I would have called it House of Mogh.

Even as a full on Worf hater i would love to have seen a series with him and Martok. See the decline of the Klingon Empire thru the eyes of those who love it for everything it stands for. Martok wants to reform the empire to be more inclusive to all classes of klingons while still keeping all the traditions that make them Klingon. Worf wants to keep all the traditions but also is apart of the federation. It has the end goal of pacification and ultimately absorption of the empire into the federation. You have friendship formed in the hellfires of war that will be put to its' limits by two conflicting views of the future of their people.

It's frankly something that modern trek is fully incapable of tackling and hope they don't try.

 

[Michael Wade]

No thanks. Endless liberal soapboxing. They robbed Hugh Laurie of an Emmy just to give it to Alan Shore.

There's a fair amount, but I feel like it wasn't that bad up till season 5. Even then, its pre trump liberalism, the kind that actually made "some" deal of sense.

Part of me thinks it got canceled because they were going too close to the sun. They have an episode in S4 where they had the balls to sue the DNC because some dumbass elector wouldn't go with his constituents and voted Obama instead of Hillary. This show is fucking hilarious in hindsight at times.

I mean oh my god, there is a moment where Denny unironically compares himself to Joe Biden MORE THEN ONCE.

But to get back on track. My favorite surprise star trek guest star was Scott Bakula. He got into ham to ham combat with James Spader. It was amazing! The only disappointment was he didn't have scenes with Shatner.

 

[XYZpdq]

Even as a full on Worf hater i would love to have seen a series with him and Martok. See the decline of the Klingon Empire thru the eyes of those who love it for everything it stands for. Martok wants to reform the empire to be more inclusive to all classes of klingons while still keeping all the traditions that make them Klingon. Worf wants to keep all the traditions but also is apart of the federation. It has the end goal of pacification and ultimately absorption of the empire into the federation. You have friendship formed in the hellfires of war that will be put to its' limits by two conflicting views of the future of their people.

It's frankly something that modern trek is fully incapable of tackling and hope they don't try.

that could work well as an ARG type thing
various columnists and talking heads opining on the opposing views, op/ed pieces, editorial cartoons, and some occasional videos featuring Worf or Martok

 

[Ishtar]

I always thought the Klingons were on the road to joining the federation within a century or so. Closer economic and cultural ties combined with the federation’s aggressive absorptionist policies, and eventually it would have folded into the federation. Might have been one final Klingon civil war though between an old traditionalist faction and a pro federation “modernist” faction.

 

[Potatoherder]

that could work well as an ARG type thing
various columnists and talking heads opining on the opposing views, op/ed pieces, editorial cartoons, and some occasional videos featuring Worf or Martok

Babylon 5 did a episode very similar to what you are suggesting: The Deconstruction of Falling Stars. It does a good job doing social commentary while making it feel completely in the universe.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Babylon 5 did a episode very similar to what you are suggesting: The Deconstruction of Falling Stars.

Even as a ghost, Garibaldi can't help but snoop around.

Farscape is spot-on when it comes to the culture shock of meeting extraterrestrial life: some like them, some fear them, others don't know what to think, but ultimately it doesn't lean heavily in one direction.

Spoiler: Season 4 spoilers

 

[Kerr Avon]

Picard is a title, like Thor or James Bond or Data, and rightfully should be replaced by a woman.

Troon Luc Picard you say