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At least ENT tried to keep the setting from the previous shows consistent.

It even explained previous inconsistencies, like the TOS Klingons vs. TMP and on Klingons.
Yes and that was one of the things I loved about it. It explained the inconsistencies in a way that made sense. Meanwhile STD muddies the water up and leave a convuluted mess, eventually getting so bad they had to take the show into the far flung future to avoid fucking up TOS any more than they had.
 
Yes and that was one of the things I loved about it. It explained the inconsistencies in a way that made sense. Meanwhile STD muddies the water up and leave a convuluted mess, eventually getting so bad they had to take the show into the far flung future to avoid fucking up TOS any more than they had.
I thought ENTs explanation of Klingon foreheads was totally unnecessary and screws up the timeline more than it fixes it. They got a bigger budget for TMP and redesigned their main villain, not a big deal. Then they joked about it in DS9 in a fan service episode, also fine. But actually taking it seriously and working it into an episode? Now it's even weirder that it hasn't been mentioned by anyone before.
 
I thought ENTs explanation of Klingon foreheads was totally unnecessary and screws up the timeline more than it fixes it. They got a bigger budget for TMP and redesigned their main villain, not a big deal. Then they joked about it in DS9 in a fan service episode, also fine. But actually taking it seriously and working it into an episode? Now it's even weirder that it hasn't been mentioned by anyone before.
Yeah. If anything I wish they had done SFDebris' idea in the DS9 Tribble episode where once they traveled back in time, Michael Dorn had the old Klingon makeup until they came back to the present.

And NEVER Commented on it. Would have been a fun wink of "just don't worry about this weirdness."
 
Yeah. If anything I wish they had done SFDebris' idea in the DS9 Tribble episode where once they traveled back in time, Michael Dorn had the old Klingon makeup until they came back to the present.

And NEVER Commented on it. Would have been a fun wink of "just don't worry about this weirdness."
That episode leans on the 4th wall so heavily that it feels more like an SNL skit tbh.
 
Yes and that was one of the things I loved about it. It explained the inconsistencies in a way that made sense.
This is copium.

Fans gloss over plot holes when it makes them happy. Archer and Phlox discovered a cure for Borg nanites. If the Borg are so easy to defeat, why did the Federation forget about it until "Q Who?" These are the same Borg from Picard's time; it's not a question of running out of nanoprobes.

"Made sense" does not equate to good writing. We didn't ask for a story arc exploring those questions. We just accepted it. The explanations seem awkward.
 
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I thought ENTs explanation of Klingon foreheads was totally unnecessary and screws up the timeline more than it fixes it. They got a bigger budget for TMP and redesigned their main villain, not a big deal. Then they joked about it in DS9 in a fan service episode, also fine. But actually taking it seriously and working it into an episode? Now it's even weirder that it hasn't been mentioned by anyone before.

I've never watched Enterprise, but I just looked that up and holy lord that's convoluted even for Star Trek.
 
I've never watched Enterprise, but I just looked that up and holy lord that's convoluted even for Star Trek.
I mean there is an interesting idea, because I for one have always wondered why just because Humanity abandoned eugenics, why would the other powers? (Dominion certainly didn't. Volta & Jem'Hadar are both engineered.)

Klingons... I could see an honor reason maybe. But Romulans? Cardassians? They should have super soldiers everywhere.
 
Personally I think they should have just had the forehead thing be tied to the rather radically different characterisation of the klingons in TOS compared to the honor obsessed space-ape samurai-vikings they were by TNG/DS9.

Have it be shown that klingon society and culture circa enterprise was far more on the "modern, regimented, ultra organised and ultra disciplined soldier" side of militarism, and accordingly saw anything related to the "old warrior traditions" with utter contempt, with the forehead thing being an intentional culturally mandated surgical practice akin to skullbinding or even circumcision to reflect this.

Hell they could have even had this be part of enterprise's story arc with archer's blundering first contact with them and according catalogue of fuckups inadvertently kicking off some traditionalist revival in klingon society thats growing in influence circa TOS and by TNG has long since become the norm.

Not only would this explain why worf was so embarrassed by the subject, but it would also explain just how the screaming retards presented in TNG/DS9 could have ever become a galactic power to begin with
 
I mean there is an interesting idea, because I for one have always wondered why just because Humanity abandoned eugenics, why would the other powers? (Dominion certainly didn't. Volta & Jem'Hadar are both engineered.)

Klingons... I could see an honor reason maybe. But Romulans? Cardassians? They should have super soldiers everywhere.
A case could be made that the inherent volatility of augments means that planets that experiment with them end in apocalyptic world wars before they're warp capable. Leaving genetic engineering behind is a "great filter" of sorts. The Dominion could be a rare exception, but the dynamic between changelings and their subjects makes them unique in some ways.

That aside, one of my favorite fan theories is the one that Vulcans actually are augments, Surak was the Vulcan equivalent of Khan, but in their conflict the augments won and chased the OG Vulcans - Romulans - off the planet. It would explain a lot IMO. Romulans and Vulcans are just too different.
 
A case could be made that the inherent volatility of augments means that planets that experiment with them end in apocalyptic world wars before they're warp capable. Leaving genetic engineering behind is a "great filter" of sorts. The Dominion could be a rare exception, but the dynamic between changelings and their subjects makes them unique in some ways.

That aside, one of my favorite fan theories is the one that Vulcans actually are augments, Surak was the Vulcan equivalent of Khan, but in their conflict the augments won and chased the OG Vulcans - Romulans - off the planet. It would explain a lot IMO. Romulans and Vulcans are just too different.
In this case, Surak was the one Vulcan that learned not to ree over every little thing, hence why the Stone of Gol was useless on him.
 
I saw William Shatner at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Try some empathy; Imagine you were in a TV show that has gained cult status...and you get constant fawning every single second you step outside your house - every other person you walk into you does exactly what you did. How would you feel after just 24 hours of this Happening to you?

Now imagine that happening to you every day of your life for 50 years.
 
Try some empathy; Imagine you were in a TV show that has gained cult status...and you get constant fawning every single second you step outside your house - every other person you walk into you does exactly what you did. How would you feel after just 24 hours of this Happening to you?

Now imagine that happening to you every day of your life for 50 years.
Yeah, Shatner has had to deal with some of the absolute most heinous and borderline criminal autism ever known for the best part of a fucking *century* now, so he has a fair bit of leeway to be a crotchety old man as far as i'm concerned, especially with regards to those he thinks are trying to inflict more of that shit on him

EDIT: also i think ya just dun got fooled by a copypastarino there...
 
First teaser for The Orville season 3, titled: "New Horizons".


There are many flaws in BSG; Dirk Benedict took it as a personal affront that a remake even existed, or that he wasn't invited back.
Dirk was also a bit of a snake, one time he would accept to do a photo op with Katee Sackhoff to promote the new show and then later he would talk shit about them.
 
Is it weird I enjoy the Orville more then any "Nu-Trek"?

Seriously, I hate Family Guy but I still love Orville
I have seen a few of episodes and I feel it too... mundane to my taste, but it's definitely way better than Nu-Trek because they try to make sci-fi rather than using the show as a propaganda tool. If you like it, I'd say you're a normal person.
 
Is it wrong that after rewatching DS9's "Far Beyond The Stars", the message today comes across less as "Black writer gets treated like shit by a racist society" and more as "Social justice zealot uses insinuations of racism to force his editor to publish a story no-one would otherwise be interested in, and ends up unwittingly fucking over the magazine's entire staff in the process"?
 
Is it wrong that after rewatching DS9's "Far Beyond The Stars", the message today comes across less as "Black writer gets treated like shit by a racist society" and more as "Social justice zealot uses insinuations of racism to force his editor to publish a story no-one would otherwise be interested in, and ends up unwittingly fucking over the magazine's entire staff in the process"?
I always question the wisdom of casting Rene as the villain.

The scenes with the detectives are effective. Cleverly Brooks films the scene from Benny's eyes, so it is the audience who are getting beat up. It's great how the authority figures start to resemble Dukat and Weyoun, as the blows rain down on Benny.
 
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I always wonder about the wisdom of casting Rene as the 'villain'. He seems to earnestly believe that a race war is imminent and you almost feel bad for his naivete.
I actually thought that made some sense, in fairness - the editor came across as akin to the occupation-era Odo that we saw in the previous season's "Things Past", i.e. someone who sympathized and on some level agreed with the people being oppressed, but was more concerned with the orderly running of things than doing anything to actually help change an unjust situation. If the editor was an out-and-out racist he probably would have shitcanned Benny as soon as he presented his first DS9 story, and would definitely have done so after Benny wrote a bunch more of such stories instead of what he was actually supposed to write.

Aaand I just realized that even when it's being its most out-and-out preachy, DS9 still has far, far more nuance and subtext than what Kurtzman & co. are currently sharting out onto our screens.
 
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