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the wayne family adventure comic thing they're making now is cute.

i saw some people going "wow...so DC has fallen so far to doing newspaper shorts huh...."

but honestly it's just like, 7-8 panels of the batfamily being together as an actual family. something we pretty much never see in comics. for what it is, it's completely fine. I'd rather have it than not.

one thing I will say though is that the artist for it gave Damian a darker skin tone, which I think is great, I think Damian should be a bit darker than Bruce or the others due to his heritage, but ironically enough the artist made him too fucking dark. kids like 1 shade darker than fucking Thomas, who is actually black.

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look at this shit, Damian should not be that fucking dark. i am glad they gave Jason his white hair streak tho.
 
King Koalemos said:
reread Hickman's F4 stuff and I gotta say.

I enjoy the setup to Secret Wars.
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Hickman's FF is really good, so is his Ultimates stuff, but it al has the seeds of what ruined Secret Wars. Massive Decompression, pretentious concept over story.

Prehistoric Jazz said:
Waid's politics aside, he's written some of the best Superman ever. I'll give it a chance while hoping he can keep himself from using his status to fuck over others.
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I'm glad you liked Waid's Superman.

I'm actually the opposite. I think Waid's work on Superman is abysmal. Especially considering it came out during a golden era for the MoS content wise.

Guy did some great Flash comics.

Looking at the upcoming Trades list, I'm seeing a pattern.

1. Collections of SJW and YA series that sold poorly in the direct market but can likely be used to wring some cash out of librarians and hardcore fans.

2. Ooooollllllllddddd comics for the die hards who worship this stuff.

3. Movie and Television tied trades to try to milk casuals looking to buy something not realizing it is not actually tied to the Loki Tv series. At all.

4. Bizarre collections of esoteric or recent material, usually in omnibus format. A perfect example is the recent Tom Taylor Wolverine Omnibus. Was anyone really asking for this in huge numbers? Forget that these comics were over shipped, forget that they are all readily printed in trade and extremely recent. Why an Omnibus? I suspect politics at work with companies weaponizing reprints as a way to try to salve ego, pay pet creators, and maybe manipulate perception. The immense profit to be made if only a relatively small number of omnis sell is immense. Add to that the ability to report omni X sold out. Finally, you have a carrot to hold over peoples heads.

Looking at what's coming up, there's some real head scratchers and sighs. DC is collecting Rachel Pollacks Doom Patrol? Marvel is putting out an Empyre omnibus?
 
Been going on a Garth Ennis binge after finishing Preacher and The Boys. Gave Crossed a try cuz fuck it, stuff was shit but it was funny how edgy it was.

After that I went on to read his 2004 Punisher run because so many people told me it was "the definitive Punisher run". With the exception of the Widowmakers arc and "The End", I'd say I loved it. I have now reached the point where he left and Hurwitz took over, is it still worth reading?
 
jspit2.0 said:
Hickman's FF is really good, so is his Ultimates stuff, but it al has the seeds of what ruined Secret Wars. Massive Decompression, pretentious concept over story.



I'm glad you liked Waid's Superman.

I'm actually the opposite. I think Waid's work on Superman is abysmal. Especially considering it came out during a golden era for the MoS content wise.

Guy did some great Flash comics.

Looking at the upcoming Trades list, I'm seeing a pattern.

1. Collections of SJW and YA series that sold poorly in the direct market but can likely be used to wring some cash out of librarians and hardcore fans.

2. Ooooollllllllddddd comics for the die hards who worship this stuff.

3. Movie and Television tied trades to try to milk casuals looking to buy something not realizing it is not actually tied to the Loki Tv series. At all.

4. Bizarre collections of esoteric or recent material, usually in omnibus format. A perfect example is the recent Tom Taylor Wolverine Omnibus. Was anyone really asking for this in huge numbers? Forget that these comics were over shipped, forget that they are all readily printed in trade and extremely recent. Why an Omnibus? I suspect politics at work with companies weaponizing reprints as a way to try to salve ego, pay pet creators, and maybe manipulate perception. The immense profit to be made if only a relatively small number of omnis sell is immense. Add to that the ability to report omni X sold out. Finally, you have a carrot to hold over peoples heads.

Looking at what's coming up, there's some real head scratchers and sighs. DC is collecting Rachel Pollacks Doom Patrol? Marvel is putting out an Empyre omnibus?
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i think the issue is that both companies seem to be currently carried by like 2-4 guys making things interesting. I.E. Hickman/Ewing/Aaron/Cates/Spencer at Marvel produce the only decent stories and it feels like we go through this period where everything gets fucked because either the story suffers or other writers want to play with other concepts/plot threads/etc. I just kinda wish other writers at Marvel would intrigue me on the same level those 5 do.

i like how the current Iron Man book uses Gargoyle, the old Defenders hero that was a ww1 doughboy Veteran turned immortal hero. didn't like Coates' Captain America because it was kind of a mess. Interesting idea with trying to turn the Lady Liberators group into a secret society, but it just feels like a slog to read. He just gets bogged in weird virtue signalling details instead of telling the tale.


I'll never get over how they decided to fuck over Empyre. I loved the premise and setup. If they just let it slowly come out, the entire thing would have been damned fun.

I guess I'll just wait for the Last Annihilation event to finish. Part of me is wondering why the Quoi didn't think about how fire based powers/weaponry are really common on Marvel Earth.


I guess I'm glad that we can always open up this idea, but the initial shock of seeing the kid get revealed as a villain just won't be there. The whole idea of a plant alien turned into a man is really interesting and could have made a fun villain. The entire event feels like it could have been a fun way to have Richard Rider pop up and de-spine Sequoia.
 
jspit2.0 said:
DC is collecting Rachel Pollacks Doom Patrol?
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If I'm not mistaken some of stuff from Pollack is used in TV show so its likely to sell few copies based on that alone. Also, I can't confirm for sure, but I have heard that DC wanted to collect this run for a while, but had some issues with the artist. Besides, majority of Doom Patrol is collected so this might be DC just filling the last few gaps remaining.

Empyre and Wolverine collections are weirder to me.
 
GranDuke said:
If I'm not mistaken some of stuff from Pollack is used in TV show so its likely to sell few copies based on that alone. Also, I can't confirm for sure, but I have heard that DC wanted to collect this run for a while, but had some issues with the artist. Besides, majority of Doom Patrol is collected so this might be DC just filling the last few gaps remaining.

Empyre and Wolverine collections are weirder to me.
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Empyre's an event so it sort of makes some sense? They've always collected events.
 
Yeah, but they are doing Omnibus which, if I'm not mistaken, collects all the tie-ins and shit. I'm not sure if Marvel does that for all their events.
 
GranDuke said:
Yeah, but they are doing Omnibus which, if I'm not mistaken, collects all the tie-ins and shit. I'm not sure if Marvel does that for all their events.
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i think they've done that for shorter events?

iirc the shit like Age of Apocalypse, age of X, and Fear Itself also had omnibi but those may have been 2 volume sets. I'm 90% certain we've had Annihilation, Infinity Trinity, and World War Hulk omnibi tho.
 
I’ve never read Y: The Last Man before, but considering the not so great/mediocre reviews the TV version is getting, it looks like I might just start now.

It almost eerily reminds me of the attention Invincible received during its first season.
 
albert macdonald chan said:
I’ve never read Y: The Last Man before, but considering the not so great/mediocre reviews the TV version is getting, it looks like I might just start now.

It almost eerily reminds me of the attention Invincible received during its first season.
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i mean the sources of both of those shows are good, the adaptations were crap.
 
King Koalemos said:
i think they've done that for shorter events?

iirc the shit like Age of Apocalypse, age of X, and Fear Itself also had omnibi but those may have been 2 volume sets. I'm 90% certain we've had Annihilation, Infinity Trinity, and World War Hulk omnibi tho.
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It's money in my opinion. Jeph Loeb talked about the success of his LOTDK Annuals. Retailers made more money from them because of the higher dollar price.

The math is cost-sales=profit. So, knowing Marvel printing costs are on the low end they make far more from the Omnis, Masterworks, and HCs per customer than single unit floppies.

With a shrunken market, you extract more off these fewer customers.

Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Don't you just "love" when comic books pull this anti-panel trick. BTW, joking about things leads to fascist laws.
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Words. Lots and lots of words...
 
Well I just finished Batman '89 #2. Honestly it's hitting the expected beats, it's just kind of turgid. I'm not really invested in it tbh. I think it's one of those things I wanted to happen, and it's so built up in my head that it can't help but disappoint me.

Nice Catwoman artwork when she appears though.
 
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I'm not digging through 162 pages to see if this has been mentioned or not, but anyone find it noteworthy just how bad comic sales are compared to manga? Just compare the sales numbers. Or go to any chain bookstore, you will likely see that the manga section is much larger than the comic section. I don't know if that's a testament to comic's decline in quality, or proof that society is being overrun by weebs.

Either way its surprising to me that extremely well-known, decades-old media franchises are being eclipsed by a multitude of relatively unknown foreign franchises, that come in books that you have to read backwards.
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Don't you just "love" when comic books pull this anti-panel trick. BTW, joking about things leads to fascist laws.
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If making massive walls of text could make manlets ripped then I would be so fucking ripped
 
Certified_Autist said:
I'm not digging through 162 pages to see if this has been mentioned or not, but anyone find it noteworthy just how bad comic sales are compared to manga? Just compare the sales numbers. Or go to any chain bookstore, you will likely see that the manga section is much larger than the comic section. I don't know if that's a testament to comic's decline in quality, or proof that society is being overrun by weebs.

Either way its surprising to me that extremely well-known, decades-old media franchises are being eclipsed by a multitude of relatively unknown foreign franchises, that come in books that you have to read backwards.

If making massive walls of text could make manlets ripped then I would be so fucking ripped
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The answer would be "a testament to comic's decline in quality". I think it sucks ass too, but the industry had since 1997 to clean up and stop shooting itself in the feet.
 
I won't lie, I'm kinda excited for the new Batman run. I like they are revisting Batman Incorporated and the Incorporated Batsuit is coming back.

IMO that batsuit was tragically underused. It's one of the few yellow oval suits that IMO works really well. It only got a year or so before Rebirth threw it out for the Jim Lee design.
 
think it might also have to do with the fact it doesn't necessarily matter if comics sell badly because the characters are bigger than the comics.

how much in merchandising do you think Batman makes? even if all Batman comics stop, I imagine Batman would still be bringing in a fucking ton of money between the toys, clothes, movies, video games.
 
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