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Giga_Nigga_28 said:
Snyders Batman works as a solid entry level take on the character with consistent writing and great art but once you're well versed in the character it's pretty obvious it's just popcorn writing with very little depth. Imo a solid 7/10 though Dotf is honestly pure garbage and I blame it and Endgame for how ridiculous the Joker wank has become over the years. Like, Snyder uses Joker for three of the five arcs and still writes him terribly.

>Lol he like cut off his face isn't that so cool and edgy!
>lol he killed thirty people and put them all in Gothams main reservoir without a soul noticing!
>lmao the Joker just killed a truckload of Gcpd with his bare hands ain't that cool!!!
>Zomg he had control of Arkham for months and completely renovated without the world's greatest detective noticing!!!!
>omg guysss what if Joker was, get this, in love with Batman! Isn't that unique and totally not played out?
>What if he pretended to cut all the Batfamilys faces off and that made them all sad? Isn't that cool?

Endgame was cool cause Batman beat the shit out of Joker and killed him but then Snyder undid that and King and Tynion went back to the tired Joker wank.
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yeah my joker fatigue from that time was basically when we had that weird amount of imagery of the justice league getting joker toxin'd
 
Do you think Marvel will do their synergy thing and make comics with Captain Carter from "What if?" As long as it takes place on a seperate multiverse earth she shouldn't encroach too much on Captain Britain or Union Jack
 
Could Harley up and jump from screen to comics, who knows. It's certainly in line for Marvel to forego good storytelling to mangle current comics into looking like their adaptations.
 
snyder's batman was alright, and while he's certainly an edgelord and a massive Joker fanboy, his Joker wasn't the worst it's ever been. I think the -ending- of Death of the Family is honestly pretty good, and by ending I mean legit the like, last 3 pages.

Snyders problem is he wrote some decent stories that sold extremely well. so DC kept giving him more power and freedom to do whatever he wants. So his stories kept getting bigger and bigger and dumber and dumber. The more power and freedom Snyder was given, the worse his stories got.
 
JimiHendrix said:
snyder's batman was alright, and while he's certainly an edgelord and a massive Joker fanboy, his Joker wasn't the worst it's ever been. I think the -ending- of Death of the Family is honestly pretty good, and by ending I mean legit the like, last 3 pages.

Snyders problem is he wrote some decent stories that sold extremely well. so DC kept giving him more power and freedom to do whatever he wants. So his stories kept getting bigger and bigger and dumber and dumber. The more power and freedom Snyder was given, the worse his stories got.
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was it Snyder or Tynion who did the dark multiverse event string.

that was fatigued after a year.


Like the concept, execution wasn't on point but hey it was still fun.
 
King Koalemos said:
was it Snyder or Tynion who did the dark multiverse event string.

that was fatigued after a year.


Like the concept, execution wasn't on point but hey it was still fun.
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that was entirely Snyder. Tynion may've written one or two, but the overall idea was Snyder.

that was his entire Batman Who Laughs thing, which again, is from him being an edgy Joker fanboy. which I think is pretty much garabge. I think BWL could've been a good idea, but it was executed about as badly as possible.

I think the further back in Snyders career you go, the better his stuff is. I think Black Mirror is fucking great. Court of Owls is good. then his run on Batman is alright. Death of the Family is okay. Endgame is meh. then it's Dark Knights Metal which isn't good and so on.
 
JimiHendrix said:
that was entirely Snyder. Tynion may've written one or two, but the overall idea was Snyder.

that was his entire Batman Who Laughs thing, which again, is from him being an edgy Joker fanboy. which I think is pretty much garabge. I think BWL could've been a good idea, but it was executed about as badly as possible.

I think the further back in Snyders career you go, the better his stuff is. I think Black Mirror is fucking great. Court of Owls is good. then his run on Batman is alright. Death of the Family is okay. Endgame is meh. then it's Dark Knights Metal which isn't good and so on.
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Yeah, my take on Tynion is that he's kind of like Gail Simone: consistently keeps a deadline and rarely writes anything all that interesting.
 
The Shadow said:
Yeah, my take on Tynion is that he's kind of like Gail Simone: consistently keeps a deadline and rarely writes anything all that interesting.
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i liked Tynion's Detective run just because I really really enjoyed having the Batman book about Batman and the Detective Comics about the Batfamily.

after his detective run, i've read a lot of what he's written and I really couldn't point to any highlights.
 
oh, JLD wasn't bad, but I think it's mostly agreed that Ram V has taken Tynions ideas and done a better job with them. The transfer from Tynion to Ram V was pretty seamless and the quality even went up, I believe.
 
JimiHendrix said:
that was entirely Snyder. Tynion may've written one or two, but the overall idea was Snyder.

that was his entire Batman Who Laughs thing, which again, is from him being an edgy Joker fanboy. which I think is pretty much garabge. I think BWL could've been a good idea, but it was executed about as badly as possible.

I think the further back in Snyders career you go, the better his stuff is. I think Black Mirror is fucking great. Court of Owls is good. then his run on Batman is alright. Death of the Family is okay. Endgame is meh. then it's Dark Knights Metal which isn't good and so on.
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the idea of a jokerized batman as a villain is interesting but I think it could have been done more carefully.
 
King Koalemos said:
the idea of a jokerized batman as a villain is interesting but I think it could have been done more carefully.
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BWL came from a literal nightmare universe. nightmares are scary because they don't have to make sense. BWL winning over the JL and everything else in his world is fine, because it's a nightmare.

once he got to the real world he should've just been dogshit and gotten bodied due to the rules of reality not working as he was used to. then he'd learn and slowly grow more capable and become a living nightmare.

i feel like that would've been much better than what we got.
 
JimiHendrix said:
BWL came from a literal nightmare universe. nightmares are scary because they don't have to make sense. BWL winning over the JL and everything else in his world is fine, because it's a nightmare.

once he got to the real world he should've just been dogshit and gotten bodied due to the rules of reality not working as he was used to. then he'd learn and slowly grow more capable and become a living nightmare.

i feel like that would've been much better than what we got.
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I mean DC's been consistent in "universal effects" before. I.E. Ultraman treating all kryptonite like a stimulant that makes him stronger was one.
 
King Koalemos said:
I mean DC's been consistent in "universal effects" before. I.E. Ultraman treating all kryptonite like a stimulant that makes him stronger was one.
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i just mean certain elements in BWL's world don't make sense if you apply common sense rules to them.

So BWL was able to kill every single member of the JL on the Watch Tower, and kidnap Lois Lane and Johnathon Kent, and Superman was entirely unaware, but the second BWL asks for Superman to come to the Watch Tower, Superman hears it instantly and is on the way?

Ultraman is a different example because he's from another Reality, he's "real"

the entire premise of the Dark Multiverse was they were failed planets born from the heroes Nightmares.

that's why I'd be fine with BWL bein' a lil more inconsistent between universes than Ultraman, I just think they fundamentally come from different places, y'know?
 
JimiHendrix said:
i just mean certain elements in BWL's world don't make sense if you apply common sense rules to them.

So BWL was able to kill every single member of the JL on the Watch Tower, and kidnap Lois Lane and Johnathon Kent, and Superman was entirely unaware, but the second BWL asks for Superman to come to the Watch Tower, Superman hears it instantly and is on the way?

Ultraman is a different example because he's from another Reality, he's "real"

the entire premise of the Dark Multiverse was they were failed planets born from the heroes Nightmares.

that's why I'd be fine with BWL bein' a lil more inconsistent between universes than Ultraman, I just think they fundamentally come from different places, y'know?
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imo.

BWL could have been a fun Lovecraftian-adjacent villain if they did it right. Barbatos wasn't even that bad of an idea. The whole "Batman would have died if a Lovecraftian demon didn't keep rigging things for him and controlling his fate" idea can work in the hands of better creatives.
 
King Koalemos said:
imo.

BWL could have been a fun Lovecraftian-adjacent villain if they did it right. Barbatos wasn't even that bad of an idea. The whole "Batman would have died if a Lovecraftian demon didn't keep rigging things for him and controlling his fate" idea can work in the hands of better creatives.
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i can't really speak on it, since i'm not familiar, but apparently Barbatos was originally created by I believe Grant Morrison and served an entirely different purpose before Snyder retconned it?
 
JimiHendrix said:
i can't really speak on it, since i'm not familiar, but apparently Barbatos was originally created by I believe Grant Morrison and served an entirely different purpose before Snyder retconned it?
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I think he was some sort of Darkseid drone or something? I forget.

Speaking of Morrison creations that go underutilized. Dr. Simon Hurt is someone that could have worked as a sort of avatar for Barbatos if Snyder wanted to go the more "traditional" way of setting up the Dark Multiverse and Barbatos/BWL.
 
King Koalemos said:
I think he was some sort of Darkseid drone or something? I forget.

Speaking of Morrison creations that go underutilized. Dr. Simon Hurt is someone that could have worked as a sort of avatar for Barbatos if Snyder wanted to go the more "traditional" way of setting up the Dark Multiverse and Barbatos/BWL.
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Barbatos, to my knowledge, was a Demon or something created by Darkseid and sent after Bruce Wayne when Bruce was sent through the time line.

as for Hurt. I never actually read all of the Hurt stuff, I know who he is and I vaguely know his backstory. but recently I started reading Morrisons Batman and Robin again, since I haven't read it in like, 8 years, so maybe I'll actually read all of Hurt's shit for once.
 
JimiHendrix said:
i can't really speak on it, since i'm not familiar, but apparently Barbatos was originally created by I believe Grant Morrison and served an entirely different purpose before Snyder retconned it?
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Barbatos was created by Peter Milligan for Batman Dark Knight, Dark City(452-454) but Morrison retconned it's origins out of the supernatural and then Synder retconned it again and because he can't help himself like a hack, he created the worst version of the character.

Synder is the biggest fucking hack that has written for DC for the last decade, I know people like parts of his Batman run but everything post that has been completely meaningless especially his JL run, he tried to ape Morrisons style and redid the similar story beats but worse, doing the exact opposite of what Morrison did when it actually came to telling stories. Quick, succinct and full of character, Snyder can't grasp even one of these unlike some better writers he wanted to emulate.
 
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