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[jspit2.0]

secret six and birds of prey are interesting but it never looks amazing.

This.

Quid pro quo sexual harassment in the workplace actually is illegal, and it cheats people who aren't whores out of a job. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's sleazy.

At the same time, they knew he was Warren Ellis when they hired him.

Not sure. He never explicitly said the words, but he had these women who he'd hit on and then they'd have access through him to important people.

Aint that the fucking truth. Warren was upfront. He probably called himself an ally or whatever. As good as saying he wanted to rape em.

 

[AnOminous]

Not sure. He never explicitly said the words, but he had these women who he'd hit on and then they'd have access through him to important people.

Aint that the fucking truth. Warren was upfront. He probably called himself an ally or whatever. As good as saying he wanted to rape em.

In any event it's a really bad idea to mix sex and work and especially these days nearly always leads to shit like this, even if it isn't always illegal.

 

[Francis York Morgan]

In any event it's a really bad idea to mix sex and work and especially these days nearly always leads to shit like this, even if it isn't always illegal.

As shown with Chris Avellone, sometimes you don't even get to have sex to have a horde of harpies working to get you tossed out for perceived slights.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Quid pro quo sexual harassment in the workplace actually is illegal, and it cheats people who aren't whores out of a job. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's sleazy.

At the same time, they knew he was Warren Ellis when they hired him.

warren ellis was always one of those B tier writers I'd enjoy but usually never enough to buy anything he'd write.

This.



Not sure. He never explicitly said the words, but he had these women who he'd hit on and then they'd have access through him to important people.

Aint that the fucking truth. Warren was upfront. He probably called himself an ally or whatever. As good as saying he wanted to rape em.

imagine cancelling someone and then noone buys your work when it replaces his.

In any event it's a really bad idea to mix sex and work and especially these days nearly always leads to shit like this, even if it isn't always illegal.

absolutely bad to mix sex and work.

As shown with Chris Avellone, sometimes you don't even get to have sex to have a horde of harpies working to get you tossed out for perceived slights.

who's chris avellone?

 

[Tor Lugosi]

who's chris avellone?

A game developer. Years ago he flirted with some chick, took her back to her hotel room, she turned him down, he left (and on Twitter she even talked about how much of a gentleman he was), and now it's somehow considered sexual assault and he's been blacklisted.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

A game developer. Years ago he flirted with some chick, took her back to her hotel room, she turned him down, he left (and on Twitter she even talked about how much of a gentleman he was), and now it's somehow considered sexual assault and he's been blacklisted.

did the chick come out about it or did some third party do it?

 

[Tor Lugosi]

did the chick come out about it or did some third party do it?

She did.

Worst part is Avellone just laid down and it took it all.

 

[jspit2.0]

cross posted with CG thread for being relevant in both. Jason Fabok reportedly is not working on his Three Jokers home run. Instead, he will likely go indie, delaying a sequel to a rare bright spot in the floundering comic main stream.

Over on Ethan van Sciver's channel, he addressed the news.

Van Sciver chides his audience for cheering the firing of Dan Didio. He cites an article by Ritch Johnson, who himself cites Jason Fabok, that DC is a shit show now and before this it ran like a well oiled machine. Van Sciver's defense of his old enabler is...difficult to square.

I have previously talked about Robservations and Rob Liefeld's enduring grudge against Dan Didio documented over in the CG thread with some cringe tweets between him and Scott Snyder.

The podcast on Dan Didio is here, where he relates the story of Dan Didio the clown.

the-dc-dilemma

The truth is in the middle here.

Rob remains butt hurt against Dan for not treating him like a superstar. Ethan loves Dan because Didio was good to him. But the truth?

The truth is, Dan Didio enabled SJWs to infiltrate DC and he actively elevated them. It was Dan Didio that kept hiring Gail Simone and Greg Rucka. It was Dan that fostered Batlesbian and identity politics. It was Dan that ran the chaos of the Nu52 (some titles having up to three creative teams in a year). It was Dan who, when the Portland mafia called DC for not having 'enough' women, chose to bend over for them. This despite Joe Queseda a few years earlier successfully defenestrating a site for challenging Marvel.

The truth is also that Didio protected those he saw as DC's top talent. He insulated Capullo, Fabok, and others from the rampant dysfunction at DC comics and sought to keep DC alive, even as the forces he created and appeased ravaged it.

Dan deserved to get fired and no, firing him would not and did not fix the problems of his leadership.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

i get the feeling that DC may be a little overwhelmed by all the potential A list properties that they don't really know what to do with, like the Titans, Non-Hal green lanterns, JSA, FLash, Wonder Woman, Shazam, etc.

goddamnit just hire all the "reconstructionists" from the late 90s and early 2000s for like 2-3 years and bring back anthologies so you can make a viable claim at aping Shonen Jump and whatnot.

please do something good. you guys haven't even gotten the JSA going and the Legion of Superheroes stuff is sort of slow.

 

[Lucifer's Rectum]

This is going to be a bit incoherent and ranty, but I need to bitch about the state of comics, mainly DC for a bit, and nobody I know irl cares about this shit. I've been feeling what I can only describe as tired of late. It all kind of started a while back when they fucked up the titans book by ruining Wally West, killing Red Arrow and basically killing Nightwing. I've been dropping books for a while now, and the few that I was reading like Titans and Batman Beyond have all been cancelled. Coming up to all the Death Metal shit, the only book I was reading that was still ongoing was Nightwing, and that was mostly out of morbid curiosity to see how bad the Ric Grayson shit was going to go. Well, that's finally over, and that one story arc in the Flash with Zoom did a bit to clean up the Wally stuff a bit.

Death Metal just amplified that tired feeling, its like they took all the dumb shit I was already tired of and just laid it on thicker. The whole Batman who Laughs shit was so boring to me, and I'm glad its over. Now with Future State going on, I'm feeling just exhausted. Every one that I've picked up so far that's seemed potentially interesting has just been utter garbage, and this whole event just feels really reminiscent of the worst parts of Marvel Now! to me. Granted there were some good things to come out of that era, but a good majority of what I read back then was trash and has been completely forgotten these days. I dunno, I'm just not really seeing any reasons to read anything DC is putting out right now, but hey, at least they've got Tom Taylor writing Nightwing when the books featuring characters that matter come back, that should be interesting at least.

On the bright side though, Spider-Man is pretty good right now, and there's a lot of fantastic Indies that have been coming out recently.

 

[jspit2.0]

i get the feeling that DC may be a little overwhelmed by all the potential A list properties that they don't really know what to do with, like the Titans, Non-Hal green lanterns, JSA, FLash, Wonder Woman, Shazam, etc.

goddamnit just hire all the "reconstructionists" from the late 90s and early 2000s for like 2-3 years and bring back anthologies so you can make a viable claim at aping Shonen Jump and whatnot.

please do something good. you guys haven't even gotten the JSA going and the Legion of Superheroes stuff is sort of slow.

I don't know if they have the cash or that most of the guys would even work for DC at this point. The best ones wouldn't. Maybe Grant Morrison. But this is the first time, now that GL is ending, that the brain trust of DC for the last twenty years isn't putting out monthly comics. Geoff Johns doesn't have a monthly, Morrison isn't on one, Dan Didio is gone. They're rudderless right now outside of remnant material that was on the calendar a year ago.

Then there's the artist problem. They just lost Jason Fabok and Gary Frank. CG has drained them with Shane Davis, Dan Fraga, Mike Miller, Ethan Van Sciver. David Finch looks like he's got a foot out the door, though I think he'd be up for working with someone not named Tom King.

This is going to be a bit incoherent and ranty, but I need to bitch about the state of comics, mainly DC for a bit, and nobody I know irl cares about this shit.

Welcome. Have your bitch and know you're among like minds.

I've been feeling what I can only describe as tired of late. It all kind of started a while back when they fucked up the titans book by ruining Wally West, killing Red Arrow and basically killing Nightwing. I've been dropping books for a while now, and the few that I was reading like Titans and Batman Beyond have all been cancelled. Coming up to all the Death Metal shit, the only book I was reading that was still ongoing was Nightwing, and that was mostly out of morbid curiosity to see how bad the Ric Grayson shit was going to go. Well, that's finally over, and that one story arc in the Flash with Zoom did a bit to clean up the Wally stuff a bit.

I thought Ric was stupid and I knew Titan's would suck after that first arc where they had Linda not immediately go to Wally.

Death Metal just amplified that tired feeling, its like they took all the dumb shit I was already tired of and just laid it on thicker. The whole Batman who Laughs shit was so boring to me, and I'm glad its over.

It was really boring. Scott Snyder just writes words. Walls of text that's as pretentious as it is unimaginative. You have Greg Capullo and Yannick Paquette. They know how to draw, show don't tell.

Now with Future State going on, I'm feeling just exhausted. Every one that I've picked up so far that's seemed potentially interesting has just been utter garbage, and this whole event just feels really reminiscent of the worst parts of Marvel Now! to me. Granted there were some good things to come out of that era, but a good majority of what I read back then was trash and has been completely forgotten these days.

Gwenpool. I feel you.

I dunno, I'm just not really seeing any reasons to read anything DC is putting out right now, but hey, at least they've got Tom Taylor writing Nightwing when the books featuring characters that matter come back, that should be interesting at least.

Tom Taylor? Mr. Mustard and bigotry? Oof. Have fun with that.

On the bright side though, Spider-Man is pretty good right now, and there's a lot of fantastic Indies that have been coming out recently.

Going to be more as DC talent migrates to Image. Spidey is better than it was during the Slott era. There is a whole generation of readers who have never read a Spider-man free of that fat fucks influence.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

This is going to be a bit incoherent and ranty, but I need to bitch about the state of comics, mainly DC for a bit, and nobody I know irl cares about this shit. I've been feeling what I can only describe as tired of late. It all kind of started a while back when they fucked up the titans book by ruining Wally West, killing Red Arrow and basically killing Nightwing. I've been dropping books for a while now, and the few that I was reading like Titans and Batman Beyond have all been cancelled. Coming up to all the Death Metal shit, the only book I was reading that was still ongoing was Nightwing, and that was mostly out of morbid curiosity to see how bad the Ric Grayson shit was going to go. Well, that's finally over, and that one story arc in the Flash with Zoom did a bit to clean up the Wally stuff a bit.

Death Metal just amplified that tired feeling, its like they took all the dumb shit I was already tired of and just laid it on thicker. The whole Batman who Laughs shit was so boring to me, and I'm glad its over. Now with Future State going on, I'm feeling just exhausted. Every one that I've picked up so far that's seemed potentially interesting has just been utter garbage, and this whole event just feels really reminiscent of the worst parts of Marvel Now! to me. Granted there were some good things to come out of that era, but a good majority of what I read back then was trash and has been completely forgotten these days. I dunno, I'm just not really seeing any reasons to read anything DC is putting out right now, but hey, at least they've got Tom Taylor writing Nightwing when the books featuring characters that matter come back, that should be interesting at least.

On the bright side though, Spider-Man is pretty good right now, and there's a lot of fantastic Indies that have been coming out recently.

I have hope with the potential of the new 52 shit being done and all the bullshit from DC Rebirth cockteasing being over.

Anyways yeah DC feels like it's going through its Marvel! Now! phase.

I don't know if they have the cash or that most of the guys would even work for DC at this point. The best ones wouldn't. Maybe Grant Morrison. But this is the first time, now that GL is ending, that the brain trust of DC for the last twenty years isn't putting out monthly comics. Geoff Johns doesn't have a monthly, Morrison isn't on one, Dan Didio is gone. They're rudderless right now outside of remnant material that was on the calendar a year ago.

Then there's the artist problem. They just lost Jason Fabok and Gary Frank. CG has drained them with Shane Davis, Dan Fraga, Mike Miller, Ethan Van Sciver. David Finch looks like he's got a foot out the door, though I think he'd be up for working with someone not named Tom King.



Welcome. Have your bitch and know you're among like minds.

I thought Ric was stupid and I knew Titan's would suck after that first arc where they had Linda not immediately go to Wally.

It was really boring. Scott Snyder just writes words. Walls of text that's as pretentious as it is unimaginative. You have Greg Capullo and Yannick Paquette. They know how to draw, show don't tell.

Gwenpool. I feel you.

Tom Taylor? Mr. Mustard and bigotry? Oof. Have fun with that.


Going to be more as DC talent migrates to Image. Spidey is better than it was during the Slott era. There is a whole generation of readers who have never read a Spider-man free of that fat fucks influence.

Spidey being better is nice.

Ric was dumb and they kinda fucked Wally over.

I honestly think they could just let Bendis write more bullshit instead of resorting to handing books to worse writers. I'd take 9 Bendis and Simone books any day over absolute garbage like Tamaki.

I also hope they just let Geoff Johns take his GL fanboy cocaine again. Without him, DC's sci-fi stuff feels like it's missing something.

funny how they've repeatedly fucked kyle rayner over since the new 52.

 

[Lucifer's Rectum]

Welcome. Have your bitch and know you're among like minds.

I thought Ric was stupid and I knew Titan's would suck after that first arc where they had Linda not immediately go to Wally.

It was really boring. Scott Snyder just writes words. Walls of text that's as pretentious as it is unimaginative. You have Greg Capullo and Yannick Paquette. They know how to draw, show don't tell.

Gwenpool. I feel you.

Tom Taylor? Mr. Mustard and bigotry? Oof. Have fun with that.


Going to be more as DC talent migrates to Image. Spidey is better than it was during the Slott era. There is a whole generation of readers who have never read a Spider-man free of that fat fucks influence.

I thought the stories after the first Titans arc were ok for the most part, like it had some potential. It just felt like they cut the run short to make room for Tom King to fuck with half its cast in other books.

It's a real shame that Snyder isn't actually as good of a writer as people thought he was. I liked his n52 Batman book but everything I've read of his since has just been so bland. Like even when he does have good ideas, the way he writes is just really hard to read imo.

I haven't really followed what kind of spergery Tom Taylor gets up to online, but I did enjoy his run on All-New Wolverine back in the day, and his Spider-Man stuff more recently was pretty damn solid. Then again his work on Injustice and DCeased is iffy at times, and feels like he's trying to hardcore push characters that he likes, just not in like the fun "here's some dumb shit I created like 30 years ago" way that writers like Peter David do. I'm hoping his Nightwing work will be closer to the good side of the spectrum, if anything.

I grew up with the J. Michael Stracynski Spidey books, and while that stuff was iffy at times it at least had some pretty good stories (and two really awful stories). Slott's run on the other hand went on for way too damn long. It was ok at the beginning and I remember enjoying the Brand New Day stuff leading up to it, but holy fuck did he start to run out of steam after Superior Spider-Man. Actually, a lot of the stuff he was writing before Superior was kind of forgettable too. I enjoyed Superior but most of the good comics that came out of Slott's run were things that spun out of it and were written by other, better writers.

I have hope with the potential of the new 52 shit being done and all the bullshit from DC Rebirth cockteasing being over.

Anyways yeah DC feels like it's going through its Marvel! Now! phase.

Spidey being better is nice.

Ric was dumb and they kinda fucked Wally over.

I honestly think they could just let Bendis write more bullshit instead of resorting to handing books to worse writers. I'd take 9 Bendis and Simone books any day over absolute garbage like Tamaki.

I also hope they just let Geoff Johns take his GL fanboy cocaine again. Without him, DC's sci-fi stuff feels like it's missing something.

funny how they've repeatedly fucked kyle rayner over since the new 52.

Honestly I was enjoying Bendis's Young Justice book, it started out promising but after the first arc you can tell that he started rushing through shit because someone higher up cancelled it. I'd be perfectly fine with Bendis writing more shit. He's not perfect but at least there's some baseline quality when you leave him alone and let him write without events interfering with things constantly. Like say what you want about writers like Bendis and Simone, at least they've got some baseline quality for the most part.

What's the deal with Tamaki anyway? I keep hearing good things about her Wonder Woman stuff but then I look at some of the other things she's writing and see "I am Not Starfire" and then I'm suddenly really turned off on wanting to check out her work.

Ngl it feels like they've been repeatedly fucking all the legacy characters since the new 52. Pretty much all of them have been pushed to the sidelines of late and it feels like even without Didio at the helm there's just a general dislike of that generation going on.

 

[jspit2.0]

I have hope with the potential of the new 52 shit being done and all the bullshit from DC Rebirth cockteasing being over.

We'll see.

Anyways yeah DC feels like it's going through its Marvel! Now! phase.

That was DCyou. Then they tried to do it again because their audience has changed. It want from the comic shop to the board room. Those future state books are pitches. Which is why they are so God awful to read.

Spidey being better is nice.

It is. But it's Star Wars syndrome. You go so long with with the same mediocre to bad crap you forget what great entertainment was.

I honestly think they could just let Bendis write more bullshit instead of resorting to handing books to worse writers. I'd take 9 Bendis and Simone books any day over absolute garbage like Tamaki.

Oh hell no.

I can't read Bendis. He's mechanically the worst. Less offensive than SJWs but shit. I read a page of his dialogue and I lose it.

Simone and Tamaki are interchangeable. When they don't shit themselves people heap praise on them.

I also hope they just let Geoff Johns take his GL fanboy cocaine again. Without him, DC's sci-fi stuff feels like it's missing something.

Reverence for the characters and concepts. DC needs to just recruit real fans to write at this point. Not cosplayers...

Funny how they've repeatedly fucked kyle rayner over since the new 52.

Kyle has gotten fucked over the least of the legacy characters.

*Wally is now a canon mass murder who lost his wife and kids and in the future gets mind raped for Barry to have a story.
*Dick Grayson and Tim Drake were now maybe a Robin for a couple of years and their relationships are shot. That's still better than Cassandra Cain, Jean Paul Valley and Stephanie Brown who were erased only to be brought back as foils for creator donuts like Harper Row and Luke Fox.
*Conner Kent was nuked, 52'd, then replaced only to get resurrected so he could be Bendis'd.
*Roy Harper was killed so Wally could become a murderer.
*Donna Troy got 52'd into a mass murderer, lobotomized, then finally shoved to the side.

Kyle still got a book, got to be the white lantern, and even got stole Hal's girlfriend for a time.

I thought the stories after the first Titans arc were ok for the most part, like it had some potential. It just felt like they cut the run short to make room for Tom King to fuck with half its cast in other books.

Hah, Dan Didio and a segment at DC hated those characters and Rebirth.

It's a real shame that Snyder isn't actually as good of a writer as people thought he was. I liked his n52 Batman book but everything I've read of his since has just been so bland. Like even when he does have good ideas, the way he writes is just really hard to read imo.

He's a mediocre writer and a decent idea man. His books are filled with bloated dialogue choking the page. He struggles to tie off storylines satisfactorily and his Nu52 batman run limped over the finish line with a fourteen issue fart of a finale.

I haven't really followed what kind of spergery Tom Taylor gets up to online, but I did enjoy his run on All-New Wolverine back in the day.

You enjoyed him having her treat old man Logan like shit or having him give Kimura the Sabertooth treatment?

and his Spider-Man stuff more recently was pretty damn solid.

The one where he writes a Japanese war criminal as a hero?

I grew up with the J. Michael Stracynski Spidey books, and while that stuff was iffy at times it at least had some pretty good stories (and two really awful stories). Slott's run on the other hand went on for way too damn long. It was ok at the beginning and I remember enjoying the Brand New Day stuff leading up to it, but holy fuck did he start to run out of steam after Superior Spider-Man. Actually, a lot of the stuff he was writing before Superior was kind of forgettable too. I enjoyed Superior but most of the good comics that came out of Slott's run were things that spun out of it and were written by other, better writers.

JMS got screwed by editorial. Everything with Johnny Romita was him. Everything after that was meddled with.

writers like Bendis and Simone, at least they've got some baseline quality for the most part.

What's the deal with Tamaki anyway? I keep hearing good things about her Wonder Woman stuff but then I look at some of the other things she's writing and see "I am Not Starfire" and then I'm suddenly really turned off on wanting to check out her work.

Her Wonder Woman is the best thing she's written. It's okay, but with the same obnoxious things. Eta Candy, for example is a morbidly obese black woman, somehow still in the military, with weird hair.

You like Gail you should like her. Same shit.

Ngl it feels like they've been repeatedly fucking all the legacy characters since the new 52. Pretty much all of them have been pushed to the sidelines of late and it feels like even without Didio at the helm there's just a general dislike of that generation going on.

Well, it'll take about six months to wash the Didio off. But I don't think things will get better. Remember, their audience isn't you.

 

[Moguro Fukuzou]

I decided to give the n52 Harley a second chance and it isn't that bad, still a much bigger fan of how older Harley is written though. I can understand somewhat the reason they've been experimenting with changing her up since she's now popular enough to get more solo focus. I don't know, recently watched Birds of Prey and it made me more accepting of new Harley Quinn (even if I still can't stand the costume design). Think I'll go watch B:TAS if I wanted old Harley.

Also been reading the Vampirella stuff recommend in the thread, currently on Vampirella Monthly and enjoying it. After I finish up the recommended ones I'll probably peruse some of the other stuff written for her.

This is going to be a bit incoherent and ranty, but I need to bitch about the state of comics, mainly DC for a bit, and nobody I know irl cares about this shit. I've been feeling what I can only describe as tired of late. It all kind of started a while back when they fucked up the titans book by ruining Wally West, killing Red Arrow and basically killing Nightwing. I've been dropping books for a while now, and the few that I was reading like Titans and Batman Beyond have all been cancelled. Coming up to all the Death Metal shit, the only book I was reading that was still ongoing was Nightwing, and that was mostly out of morbid curiosity to see how bad the Ric Grayson shit was going to go. Well, that's finally over, and that one story arc in the Flash with Zoom did a bit to clean up the Wally stuff a bit.

Death Metal just amplified that tired feeling, its like they took all the dumb shit I was already tired of and just laid it on thicker. The whole Batman who Laughs shit was so boring to me, and I'm glad its over. Now with Future State going on, I'm feeling just exhausted. Every one that I've picked up so far that's seemed potentially interesting has just been utter garbage, and this whole event just feels really reminiscent of the worst parts of Marvel Now! to me. Granted there were some good things to come out of that era, but a good majority of what I read back then was trash and has been completely forgotten these days. I dunno, I'm just not really seeing any reasons to read anything DC is putting out right now, but hey, at least they've got Tom Taylor writing Nightwing when the books featuring characters that matter come back, that should be interesting at least.

I can't speak much about the state of comics given I'm a newcomer to the medium, but your feelings here sound very similar to how I was feeling with anime years ago when I hit that burnout state because of the flood of fucking garbage isekai and what was considered popular. Everyone reaches it eventually for different reasons and it can get hard to shake off. Stuff doesn't capture your wonder or excitement like the stuff you read/watched before, all you can see are the flaws, the future looks bleak for a hobby you care about, and try as you might you just don't find it fun anymore.

Only thing I can say is that maybe take a break from the new stuff and reread some old favorites, maybe even going digging into the old obscure. Also:

On the bright side though, Spider-Man is pretty good right now, and there's a lot of fantastic Indies that have been coming out recently.

Keep doing this stuff and try to think about the positives (that you can):
-Future State is going to be short and will unlikely have much impact on stuff after, unless it proves popular, since a lot of these just seem to be leftover story ideas under previous management.
-To go along with that, DC is currently in the mild of getting back in stride after losing the long time head and creative teams, usually these periods are a little rough during the start before it all starts working again. You're not going to get a good feel for the newer direction of DC for a bit, so try to stay as positive as you can that it'll be for the best.
-DC seems to be learning from it's mistakes with its films and is divorcing itself from Snyder verse and focusing more on actually building its characters in solo films. I for one am looking forward to The Batman whenever it releases for a number of reasons.
-I don't know if you've been reading the DC Black Label stuff but I've been finding a lot of interest stuff getting released over there since there's more freedom on what they can do.

I've no idea if this is considered a controversial opinion, but I'd also advise if you're watching a lot of #comicgate stuff to stop. Call it burying your head in the sand at "on-going attacks on your hobby!" but disengaging from shit like #animegate and political sperging has greatly increased my own personal mental health and allowed for me to just enjoy my interests. A lot of the big #comicgate youtubers (and any drama channel really) thrive on controversy and negativity for clicks so that's what they'll mainly make videos about, how awful the comic industry is and how it's dying. Surrounding yourself with that stuff constantly can really suck the fun out of anything.

 

[Water-T]

The X-books are still killing it, especially Hellions, X-Factor, and Marauders.

Spider-Man's "Last Rites" arc is keeping me coming back to see what happens next with Kindred.

There hasn't been an issue of LOSH since November, so I'm guessing it's been cancelled? I really hope so because it was hot garbage

 

[Lucifer's Rectum]

I can't speak much about the state of comics given I'm a newcomer to the medium, but your feelings here sound very similar to how I was feeling with anime years ago when I hit that burnout state because of the flood of fucking garbage isekai and what was considered popular. Everyone reaches it eventually for different reasons and it can get hard to shake off. Stuff doesn't capture your wonder or excitement like the stuff you read/watched before, all you can see are the flaws, the future looks bleak for a hobby you care about, and try as you might you just don't find it fun anymore.

Only thing I can say is that maybe take a break from the new stuff and reread some old favorites, maybe even going digging into the old obscure. Also:

Keep doing this stuff and try to think about the positives (that you can):
-Future State is going to be short and will unlikely have much impact on stuff after, unless it proves popular, since a lot of these just seem to be leftover story ideas under previous management.
-To go along with that, DC is currently in the mild of getting back in stride after losing the long time head and creative teams, usually these periods are a little rough during the start before it all starts working again. You're not going to get a good feel for the newer direction of DC for a bit, so try to stay as positive as you can that it'll be for the best.
-DC seems to be learning from it's mistakes with its films and is divorcing itself from Snyder verse and focusing more on actually building its characters in solo films. I for one am looking forward to The Batman whenever it releases for a number of reasons.
-I don't know if you've been reading the DC Black Label stuff but I've been finding a lot of interest stuff getting released over there since there's more freedom on what they can do.

I've no idea if this is considered a controversial opinion, but I'd also advise if you're watching a lot of #comicgate stuff to stop. Call it burying your head in the sand at "on-going attacks on your hobby!" but disengaging from shit like #animegate and political sperging has greatly increased my own personal mental health and allowed for me to just enjoy my interests. A lot of the big #comicgate youtubers (and any drama channel really) thrive on controversy and negativity for clicks so that's what they'll mainly make videos about, how awful the comic industry is and how it's dying. Surrounding yourself with that stuff constantly can really suck the fun out of anything.

You make some good points. I think you're right that this is going to be a bit of a transition period for DC especially. Hopefully they pull through and things get better, but right now it feels exactly how the bad parts of Marvel Now did, where you're wading through the shit and there's no end in sight. It's probably because we're in the middle of it that it feels like that though.

The one positive about DC cancelling everything I was reading though has been that I've been on a bit of an indie binge of late. There's a ton of good indie books coming out right now, and a lot of them really remind me of why I love comics to begin with, so that's been nice.

I used to follow the whole comicsgate stuff back when it was taking off, but I haven't really looked at it in a while. It started feeling less like it was about genuine criticism of the direction of the industry and more about politics, that and the constant shit fights between creators made it pretty clear that it was time for me to stop keeping up with it.

The X-books are still killing it, especially Hellions, X-Factor, and Marauders.

Spider-Man's "Last Rites" arc is keeping me coming back to see what happens next with Kindred.

I was reading and enjoying X-Men but I ended up deciding to put it down and pick up the trades since Hickman writes literal novels in comic form and I only have so much lunch break to read my weeklies over.

I've been enjoying the hell out of Last Rites, and Spencer's run on Spidey as a whole. It's been a really nice change of pace compared to Slott's stuff that came before it, and even just compared to everything else that's going on with the big 2 right now.

 

[Francis York Morgan]

The truth is, Dan Didio enabled SJWs to infiltrate DC and he actively elevated them. It was Dan Didio that kept hiring Gail Simone and Greg Rucka. It was Dan that fostered Batlesbian and identity politics. It was Dan that ran the chaos of the Nu52 (some titles having up to three creative teams in a year). It was Dan who, when the Portland mafia called DC for not having 'enough' women, chose to bend over for them. This despite Joe Queseda a few years earlier successfully defenestrating a site for challenging Marvel.

The truth is also that Didio protected those he saw as DC's top talent. He insulated Capullo, Fabok, and others from the rampant dysfunction at DC comics and sought to keep DC alive, even as the forces he created and appeased ravaged it.

Dan deserved to get fired and no, firing him would not and did not fix the problems of his leadership.

It will never stop being hilarious to me that of all the things that could have done it, 5G was what ultimately got Didio fired. Another stupid reboot from a man who always pushed for stupid reboots to fix mistakes his bad decisions made, celebrating the very thing that he abhorred in DC Comics - legacy.

 

[jspit2.0]

I decided to give the n52 Harley a second chance and it isn't that bad, still a much bigger fan of how older Harley is written though.

Well, they're two different characters almost. But Nu52 Harley and Conner/Palmiotti Harley are different too.

I can understand somewhat the reason they've been experimenting with changing her up since she's now popular enough to get more solo focus. I don't know, recently watched Birds of Prey and it made me more accepting of new Harley Quinn (even if I still can't stand the costume design). Think I'll go watch B:TAS if I wanted old Harley.

Horrifying, just horrifying. Especially because she did real Harley right in SS before that.

Also been reading the Vampirella stuff recommend in the thread, currently on Vampirella Monthly and enjoying it. After I finish up the recommended ones I'll probably peruse some of the other stuff written for her.

Neat, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the material. Millar did a short three issue run with Texiara around 2000.

I can't speak much about the state of comics given I'm a newcomer to the medium, but your feelings here sound very similar to how I was feeling with anime years ago when I hit that burnout state because of the flood of fucking garbage isekai and what was considered popular.

Ooooo. I know it's off topic but I'm the opposite. I discovered manga and am loving it. I even don't mind Isekai because for all the bad a new one comes out like Shield Hero.

Everyone reaches it eventually for different reasons and it can get hard to shake off. Stuff doesn't capture your wonder or excitement like the stuff you read/watched before, all you can see are the flaws, the future looks bleak for a hobby you care about, and try as you might you just don't find it fun anymore.

Fun is definitely the key. But that's just it. I didn't become burnt out. American comics stopped looking and acting like they did when I fell in love with them. If they put out comics like they did even ten years ago, I would be buying modern DC and Marvel.

Only thing I can say is that maybe take a break from the new stuff and reread some old favorites, maybe even going digging into the old obscure.

Absolutely. I've got so much got stuff to read comic book wise. Let the mainstream rest for a couple of years.

I've no idea if this is considered a controversial opinion, but I'd also advise if you're watching a lot of #comicgate stuff to stop. Call it burying your head in the sand at "on-going attacks on your hobby!" but disengaging from shit like #animegate and political sperging has greatly increased my own personal mental health and allowed for me to just enjoy my interests.

It depends. Animegate definitely helps to disengage. But most CG stuff has nothing to say about modern mainstream comics. They mostly just fight with one another and talk about twitter/creators being assholes. The ones that do, Richard Meyers, Perth, seem to review comics fairly enough. I think they have bad tastes sometimes.

Fun is the goal and do what you need to. I'm abnormal. I can still love allot of Alan Moore or Dave Sims work while being open eyed to them being awful people.

The X-books are still killing it, especially Hellions, X-Factor, and Marauders.

Spider-Man's "Last Rites" arc is keeping me coming back to see what happens next with Kindred.

There hasn't been an issue of LOSH since November, so I'm guessing it's been cancelled? I really hope so because it was hot garbage

Secret Wars Redpilled me on Hickman hard. There was a great web edit of those comics, Illuminated? that was hilarious.

Being a LOSH fan that just pierces my soul. Wait for a good Legion run. Hear Paul Levitz is writing. It gets Nu52'd. Then Jeff Lemire'd. Then stuck in Geoff Johns limbo. Then finally a new book. By Bendis.

You make some good points. I think you're right that this is going to be a bit of a transition period for DC especially. Hopefully they pull through and things get better, but right now it feels exactly how the bad parts of Marvel Now did, where you're wading through the shit and there's no end in sight. It's probably because we're in the middle of it that it feels like that though.

I don't think it will. Just hoping to prepare people for the worst. Of course I want them to wake up. But they won't.

The one positive about DC cancelling everything I was reading though has been that I've been on a bit of an indie binge of late. There's a ton of good indie books coming out right now, and a lot of them really remind me of why I love comics to begin with, so that's been nice.

Heck yeah! And Manga if you want. And back issues. Plus all those guys I mentioned who left DC? They're putting stuff out! Gary Frank and Geoff Johns. Fabok. Lots of stuff.

I used to follow the whole comicsgate stuff back when it was taking off, but I haven't really looked at it in a while. It started feeling less like it was about genuine criticism of the direction of the industry and more about politics, that and the constant shit fights between creators made it pretty clear that it was time for me to stop keeping up with it.

Yep.

I was reading and enjoying X-Men but I ended up deciding to put it down and pick up the trades since Hickman writes literal novels in comic form and I only have so much lunch break to read my weeklies over.

Ha. I literally have the two omnibuses that he wrote of FF. It's literally one long story. A good one, unlike Secret Avengers War, but still.

I've been enjoying the hell out of Last Rites, and Spencer's run on Spidey as a whole. It's been a really nice change of pace compared to Slott's stuff that came before it, and even just compared to everything else that's going on with the big 2 right now.

Is Otterly still on it? I'm waiting for undoing OMD. Do that and I'll give in and give Nick a chance. Until then, I don't trust him not to Captain Hydra it.

It will never stop being hilarious to me that of all the things that could have done it, 5G was what ultimately got Didio fired. Another stupid reboot from a man who always pushed for stupid reboots to fix mistakes his bad decisions made, celebrating the very thing that he abhorred in DC Comics - legacy.

Ultimately, legacy is what makes DC comics work. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are the lone outliers.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

We'll see.

That was DCyou. Then they tried to do it again because their audience has changed. It want from the comic shop to the board room. Those future state books are pitches. Which is why they are so God awful to read.

It is. But it's Star Wars syndrome. You go so long with with the same mediocre to bad crap you forget what great entertainment was.

Oh hell no.

I can't read Bendis. He's mechanically the worst. Less offensive than SJWs but shit. I read a page of his dialogue and I lose it.

Simone and Tamaki are interchangeable. When they don't shit themselves people heap praise on them.

Reverence for the characters and concepts. DC needs to just recruit real fans to write at this point. Not cosplayers...

Kyle has gotten fucked over the least of the legacy characters.

*Wally is now a canon mass murder who lost his wife and kids and in the future gets mind raped for Barry to have a story.
*Dick Grayson and Tim Drake were now maybe a Robin for a couple of years and their relationships are shot. That's still better than Cassandra Cain, Jean Paul Valley and Stephanie Brown who were erased only to be brought back as foils for creator donuts like Harper Row and Luke Fox.
*Conner Kent was nuked, 52'd, then replaced only to get resurrected so he could be Bendis'd.
*Roy Harper was killed so Wally could become a murderer.
*Donna Troy got 52'd into a mass murderer, lobotomized, then finally shoved to the side.

Kyle still got a book, got to be the white lantern, and even got stole Hal's girlfriend for a time.


Hah, Dan Didio and a segment at DC hated those characters and Rebirth.

He's a mediocre writer and a decent idea man. His books are filled with bloated dialogue choking the page. He struggles to tie off storylines satisfactorily and his Nu52 batman run limped over the finish line with a fourteen issue fart of a finale.

You enjoyed him having her treat old man Logan like shit or having him give Kimura the Sabertooth treatment?

The one where he writes a Japanese war criminal as a hero?

JMS got screwed by editorial. Everything with Johnny Romita was him. Everything after that was meddled with.

Her Wonder Woman is the best thing she's written. It's okay, but with the same obnoxious things. Eta Candy, for example is a morbidly obese black woman, somehow still in the military, with weird hair.

You like Gail you should like her. Same shit.

Well, it'll take about six months to wash the Didio off. But I don't think things will get better. Remember, their audience isn't you.

wasn't Luke fox just kinda thrown in there as a semi-connection to Lucas Fox and as the African Hero Batwing? He's the least offensively asspulled n52 batman family member imo.

Eta Candy being as she was is kinda funny because she was originally a joke character but man they could have done something not so intensely silly.

Anyways Kyle got the least screwed but in exchange he seems to be drifting about since there's nothing to do with Space Jesus after he's done it all.

I decided to give the n52 Harley a second chance and it isn't that bad, still a much bigger fan of how older Harley is written though. I can understand somewhat the reason they've been experimenting with changing her up since she's now popular enough to get more solo focus. I don't know, recently watched Birds of Prey and it made me more accepting of new Harley Quinn (even if I still can't stand the costume design). Think I'll go watch B:TAS if I wanted old Harley.

Also been reading the Vampirella stuff recommend in the thread, currently on Vampirella Monthly and enjoying it. After I finish up the recommended ones I'll probably peruse some of the other stuff written for her.

I can't speak much about the state of comics given I'm a newcomer to the medium, but your feelings here sound very similar to how I was feeling with anime years ago when I hit that burnout state because of the flood of fucking garbage isekai and what was considered popular. Everyone reaches it eventually for different reasons and it can get hard to shake off. Stuff doesn't capture your wonder or excitement like the stuff you read/watched before, all you can see are the flaws, the future looks bleak for a hobby you care about, and try as you might you just don't find it fun anymore.

Only thing I can say is that maybe take a break from the new stuff and reread some old favorites, maybe even going digging into the old obscure. Also:

Keep doing this stuff and try to think about the positives (that you can):
-Future State is going to be short and will unlikely have much impact on stuff after, unless it proves popular, since a lot of these just seem to be leftover story ideas under previous management.
-To go along with that, DC is currently in the mild of getting back in stride after losing the long time head and creative teams, usually these periods are a little rough during the start before it all starts working again. You're not going to get a good feel for the newer direction of DC for a bit, so try to stay as positive as you can that it'll be for the best.
-DC seems to be learning from it's mistakes with its films and is divorcing itself from Snyder verse and focusing more on actually building its characters in solo films. I for one am looking forward to The Batman whenever it releases for a number of reasons.
-I don't know if you've been reading the DC Black Label stuff but I've been finding a lot of interest stuff getting released over there since there's more freedom on what they can do.

I've no idea if this is considered a controversial opinion, but I'd also advise if you're watching a lot of #comicgate stuff to stop. Call it burying your head in the sand at "on-going attacks on your hobby!" but disengaging from shit like #animegate and political sperging has greatly increased my own personal mental health and allowed for me to just enjoy my interests. A lot of the big #comicgate youtubers (and any drama channel really) thrive on controversy and negativity for clicks so that's what they'll mainly make videos about, how awful the comic industry is and how it's dying. Surrounding yourself with that stuff constantly can really suck the fun out of anything.

n52 harley and the solo-book harley sort of exist as almost different characters.

i stopped watching comicsgate after the second month.

Well, they're two different characters almost. But Nu52 Harley and Conner/Palmiotti Harley are different too.

Horrifying, just horrifying. Especially because she did real Harley right in SS before that.

Neat, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the material. Millar did a short three issue run with Texiara around 2000.

Ooooo. I know it's off topic but I'm the opposite. I discovered manga and am loving it. I even don't mind Isekai because for all the bad a new one comes out like Shield Hero.

Fun is definitely the key. But that's just it. I didn't become burnt out. American comics stopped looking and acting like they did when I fell in love with them. If they put out comics like they did even ten years ago, I would be buying modern DC and Marvel.

Absolutely. I've got so much got stuff to read comic book wise. Let the mainstream rest for a couple of years.

It depends. Animegate definitely helps to disengage. But most CG stuff has nothing to say about modern mainstream comics. They mostly just fight with one another and talk about twitter/creators being assholes. The ones that do, Richard Meyers, Perth, seem to review comics fairly enough. I think they have bad tastes sometimes.

Fun is the goal and do what you need to. I'm abnormal. I can still love allot of Alan Moore or Dave Sims work while being open eyed to them being awful people.


Secret Wars Redpilled me on Hickman hard. There was a great web edit of those comics, Illuminated? that was hilarious.

Being a LOSH fan that just pierces my soul. Wait for a good Legion run. Hear Paul Levitz is writing. It gets Nu52'd. Then Jeff Lemire'd. Then stuck in Geoff Johns limbo. Then finally a new book. By Bendis.


I don't think it will. Just hoping to prepare people for the worst. Of course I want them to wake up. But they won't.

Heck yeah! And Manga if you want. And back issues. Plus all those guys I mentioned who left DC? They're putting stuff out! Gary Frank and Geoff Johns. Fabok. Lots of stuff.

Yep.

Ha. I literally have the two omnibuses that he wrote of FF. It's literally one long story. A good one, unlike Secret Avengers War, but still.

Is Otterly still on it? I'm waiting for undoing OMD. Do that and I'll give in and give Nick a chance. Until then, I don't trust him not to Captain Hydra it.



Ultimately, legacy is what makes DC comics work. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are the lone outliers.

Bendis' LOSH seems to have a good framework but it has fucky pacing rn.

I think Hickman's ok, but shouldn't be overestimated. Same with Ewing. I think the problem is that his secret war buildup needed more time in the background and felt rushed at points. Like, we suddenly had a skip to "the last days" before it all ends and then the entire thing was just not too amazing. I think it's a related issue with the whole Disney crunching the f4/mutants shit for a while.

Legacy is still a major theme in Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman/ Martian Manhunter/Aquaman to a large extent. It's just that Jonn Jonzz was never written as an A lister, but as the legacy of the founding of the JLA and whatnot. The other 4 in that bunch have been around since the 40s and have had time to get legacies told and all sorts of interesting things that have sort of developed and synthesized. The House of El is sort of the Superman legacy, but he started it. Same with Batman unless you wan to call that one time his dad wore a Bat-man costume and stopped a crime once.

Wondy saw Hippolyta go to the past and become Wonder Woman in the 40s in the late 90s/early 00s before she got killed by Imperiex. This sort of made a paradox legacy loop? Aquaman is something that also sort of created his own legacy?