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Water-T said:
MMM, yes. growing up with a insane father who murdered his mother and slapped him around so much that it fucked up his psyche. So much privilege.

Being hunted by the US government and turning into a rage beast that he can't control. The privilege is off the charts.

Getting shot into space because you can't be dealt with any other way, and where everyone you know ends up getting blown up? Good god, Bruce is just hogging all the fucking privilege.

Meanwhile, this woman is willingly putting her life in danger by clinging onto Bruce merely for a new story. Very SMRT.
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She comes off as incredibly entitled and short-sighted. It's kinda funny.

I wonder if that's intentional. . .

also what white privilege, Banner came from the bottom and worked his ass off.
Prehistoric Jazz said:
I kinda took her dialogue there to reference her frustration at how she lost everything to a beast she has to see on the news regularly. Her points are vapid, but when she then explains she wants to be more like him, that cements her backwards thinking. She's an avatar for a current era journo, and not a particularly good one.

I actually like the idea of a hulk created to replace a father figure, but it seemed awkwardly implemented. How was the devil hulk presented before? Continuity matters, after all.
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She's totally a good avatar for a current era journo because she's fucking idiotic and makes it all about how she's the victim and Bruce Banner should have used his white privilege to pull himself up from his bootstraps.

sheesh.

Yeah idt she thought anything through. Hanging around other superheroes may be good for a scoop. Hanging around the Hulk and then berating Bruce Banner for his white privilege just sounds like the kind of idiotic thing you'd expect from a Vice or Buzzfeed tier journo.
TheCosmicWarrior said:
I'm excited about this more than anything the big 2 is doing. Archie Comics used to be a Christian publisher so they had these semi-Christian themed superheroes. It's really great classic stuff and I hope they reprint the old stuff in a nice format in addition to this. Liefeld will make it fun.
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doesn't the woman that owns Archie go on and on about penis?

www.nydailynews.com

EXCLUSIVE: Archie Comics co-CEO accused of gender discrimination by male employees

Not even Sabrina the Teenage Witch could conjure this stuff up. The co-CEO of Archie Comics says she couldn’t have discriminated against her underlings — because they’re white men.
www.nydailynews.com www.nydailynews.com

www.cnbc.com

White men can't jump to court, says Archie Comics co-CEO

In a tale perhaps more colorful than comics, male employees are suing Archie Comics Co-CEO Nancy Silberkleit on harassment charges.
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Newman's Lovechild said:
Indeedly-doodly. Immortal Hulk #11. Jack McGee from the old TV show is turned into a black woman who, while trapped in hell with an horrific version of the Hulk, feels the time is right to berate him because he's -

Because he's white.

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I always thought that Hulk being on a team and in general being treated as a good guy by the public and other heroes is a bit silly. But this is a decision that they made because hey, Hulk on a team sells, Hulk as a good guy sells, Hulk doing crossover with some other hero sells as well. I get it. But instead of owning it up they decide that well, its because he is white.
 
Jelly Duvall said:
Wonder Woman and Batman have the most interesting rogues galleries imo. But they both deal with their enemies handled much better
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Batman? Sure.

Wonder Woman? You have Cheetah, Circe, Ares, Doctor Psycho, Doctor Poison, Doctor Cyber, The Blue Snowman, and if you're counting the 50s, The Duke of Deception.

Wondy's not known for her memorable rogues gallery.
GranDuke said:
I always thought that Hulk being on a team and in general being treated as a good guy by the public and other heroes is a bit silly. But this is a decision that they made because hey, Hulk on a team sells, Hulk as a good guy sells, Hulk doing crossover with some other hero sells as well. I get it. But instead of owning it up they decide that well, its because he is white.
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Stab You in the Back said:
So Marvel wound up censoring the N-word in God Loves, Man Kills: Extended Edition. Brave and stunning.
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The same thing happened when they re-released Miracleman, IIRC.

Given that the decision's probably being made at a Disney level (or at least the wrath is coming down from a Disney level if it results in any kind of bad press) I can't hold it against them too much.
 
Welp its over :story:
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Terrifik said:
Welp its over :story:
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I wonder what pushed them to finally give up on this embarrassment altogether. Was it the Twitter drama that Kibblesmith found himself in a few weeks ago or did someone there gain a few moments of clarity to realize that maybe publishing a book just to piss off one guy is incredibly stupid?
 
TheCosmicWarrior said:
I'm excited about this more than anything the big 2 is doing. Archie Comics used to be a Christian publisher so they had these semi-Christian themed superheroes. It's really great classic stuff and I hope they reprint the old stuff in a nice format in addition to this. Liefeld will make it fun.
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My love for the 90s comics is complicated.
Rob was a driving force behind the popularity but he's an arsehole.
I did love the last issues of New Mutants and Xforce at the time but the years have tarnished that love.
This might be good so I'll bite, again.
 
Anyone else pick up the Marvel Epic Collections here? Honestly the best thing coming from the big 2 at this point are their collected editions of old stuff. Seems like the community of folk who read and discuss this stuff are a little more chill than the monthly comic reader crowd online too which is a plus. Here's all of them as of about a month ago, have gotten 4 more since. I love all the matching spines.

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I thought people were somewhat exaggerating about batwank but at least two local book shops I've been to had their DC section just dominated by Batman comics and little else. Maybe my fault for looking at non-LCS, but it was weird not to even see much Superman or Wonder Woman (especially with the new movie coming out). Didn't find what I was looking for, but ended up picking Batman Year One since I enjoyed it. Found it really interesting how disconnected Bruce seemed to be from his own body, I don't know how to describe it, but whenever he was wounded he'd just list it off in a really detached way as an example of what I'm talking about.

I'm also wondering if anyone could suggest me some Green Arrow stuff if I really enjoyed his personality in Kevin Smith's run? There was something endearing to me about how he acted and how often it would just weird out the rest of the cast with how goofy he'd sometimes come off as. I had a lot of fun with his interactions with the other JL members, so I'd also be up for JL stories that more focus on the hero interactions rather than grimdark "we must defeat another world/universe ending event boss," that has nothing past that.
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Really don't know how much is out their for Green Arrow since I'd think he isn't the most popular, get a similar feel with Aquaman. Was reading n52 Aquaman and they literally made a joke about how unpopular he was and how he wasn't anyone's favorite, made me feel bad for him since the man just wanted to enjoy his lunch in peace. :(
 
Speaking of Batman, I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion or anything; but I actually really like Jason Todd. The issue with him is though; if anyone OTHER than Judd Winick writes him come his resurrection, everything about him rapidly spirals out of control like a schizophrenic nightmare. Seriously, every fucking time Jason has appeared without Judd writing him just resulted in worse and worse character writing and inconsistencies with what was established prior. If there's anything the New 52 did right, it was annihilating practically all of the last 8 or so years of stories that involved Todd from continuity, since it just kept getting dumber and dumber, reaching a peak with the "I was a natural red head but Bruce made me dye my hair black like Dick Grayson" shit of the second run of Batman & Robin. Ironic that I bring up Winick considering he wrote issues #23-25 of B&M, but at that point the damage was already done, though from what I've heard he salvaged what he could in those issues. Couldn't be helped considering they went with the whole "lazarus pit made him willing to kill kids lol" stuff, I guess.

That doesn't mean DC didn't screw the pooch just as soon as they fixed it, however, because everyone knows about Red Hood & The Outlaws. I don't know much about the OG 2011 rendition, but I skimmed the 2016 version a bit and it was good! Easily the best Jason had been without Winick, only for any and all character development he had to be whisked away by an altered version of a Batman villain being behind screwing over his dad, prompting him years after he was Robin to lose his shit and seemingly kill said villain. The comic is still going, but he hasn't recovered, as far as I can tell. His character could have smoothly progressed from willing to kill to simply being brutal and effective at disabling his enemies in ways Batman wouldn't go; but no. He has to have a forced situation like that to maintain a "status quo".

Also, only related due to her being a member of the initial Outlaws team, but poor fucking Starfire. Same for Beast Boy and Raven. Could be said of all the Teen Titans at this point, but aside from Connor Kent, Bart Allen, and Tim Drake; it doesn't get any worse for any who bear the association. Cyborg and Nightwing are the only ones who survived the absolute decimation, but that's because one is the first Robin and the other is one of the most notable black super heroes and DC figured they'd do the whole pandering stuff a few years before it got popular and make him a founding member of the Justice League come New 52.
 
Bungus Scrungus said:
Speaking of Batman, I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion or anything; but I actually really like Jason Todd. The issue with him is though; if anyone OTHER than Judd Winick writes him come his resurrection, everything about him rapidly spirals out of control like a schizophrenic nightmare. Seriously, every fucking time Jason has appeared without Judd writing him just resulted in worse and worse character writing and inconsistencies with what was established prior. If there's anything the New 52 did right, it was annihilating practically all of the last 8 or so years of stories that involved Todd from continuity, since it just kept getting dumber and dumber, reaching a peak with the "I was a natural red head but Bruce made me dye my hair black like Dick Grayson" shit of the second run of Batman & Robin. Ironic that I bring up Winick considering he wrote issues #23-25 of B&M, but at that point the damage was already done, though from what I've heard he salvaged what he could in those issues. Couldn't be helped considering they went with the whole "lazarus pit made him willing to kill kids lol" stuff, I guess.

That doesn't mean DC didn't screw the pooch just as soon as they fixed it, however, because everyone knows about Red Hood & The Outlaws. I don't know much about the OG 2011 rendition, but I skimmed the 2016 version a bit and it was good! Easily the best Jason had been without Winick, only for any and all character development he had to be whisked away by an altered version of a Batman villain being behind screwing over his dad, prompting him years after he was Robin to lose his shit and seemingly kill said villain. The comic is still going, but he hasn't recovered, as far as I can tell. His character could have smoothly progressed from willing to kill to simply being brutal and effective at disabling his enemies in ways Batman wouldn't go; but no. He has to have a forced situation like that to maintain a "status quo".

Also, only related due to her being a member of the initial Outlaws team, but poor fucking Starfire. Same for Beast Boy and Raven. Could be said of all the Teen Titans at this point, but aside from Connor Kent, Bart Allen, and Tim Drake; it doesn't get any worse for any who bear the association. Cyborg and Nightwing are the only ones who survived the absolute decimation, but that's because one is the first Robin and the other is one of the most notable black super heroes and DC figured they'd do the whole pandering stuff a few years before it got popular and make him a founding member of the Justice League come New 52.
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I agree and disagree. Under the Red Hood was a great series and the animated movie was even better because it ironed out the issues the original story had. I disagree with Jason Todd being made into a tortured anti-hero who we're supposed to root for and who somehow continually worms his way back into the Batfamily. Morrison went overboard in making him an edgy villain but Winick established very clearly in Under the Red Hood that Jason is damaged beyond belief and he's probably not going to crawl out of that pit anytime soon. He does some absolutely terrible things in Under the Red Hood and the prequel comic and should have remained an unhinged antagonistic force who we feel sorry for because we know he's insane instead of becoming a shittier Punisher.
 
HeyYou said:
I agree and disagree. Under the Red Hood was a great series and the animated movie was even better because it ironed out the issues the original story had. I disagree with Jason Todd being made into a tortured anti-hero who we're supposed to root for and who somehow continually worms his way back into the Batfamily. Morrison went overboard in making him an edgy villain but Winick established very clearly in Under the Red Hood that Jason is damaged beyond belief and he's probably not going to crawl out of that pit anytime soon. He does some absolutely terrible things in Under the Red Hood and the prequel comic and should have remained an unhinged antagonistic force who we feel sorry for because we know he's insane instead of becoming a shittier Punisher.
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While it's been a hot minute since I've seen it, aside from killing criminals, what was it that he did that was so terrible? Hell, in the prequel comic which I read through pretty recently since you've brought it up; he goes out of his way to save people's lives. I get what you're saying, it's just that bit specifically doesn't really match up with what I've seen.
 
HeyYou said:
Under the Red Hood was a great series and the animated movie was even better because it ironed out the issues the original story had.
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i wish the animated movie hadn't removed Black Masks more comedic elements. that's one of the reasons I love Black Mask, he's this gang boss who acts like a sadistic but goofy walmart manager at times.
 
Bungus Scrungus said:
While it's been a hot minute since I've seen it, aside from killing criminals, what was it that he did that was so terrible? Hell, in the prequel comic which I read through pretty recently since you've brought it up; he goes out of his way to save people's lives. I get what you're saying, it's just that bit specifically doesn't really match up with what I've seen.
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I mean he straight up becomes a crime kingpin as part of his revenge scheme in Under the Red Hood. He has standards from what I remember, like not selling drugs to kids, but he's not like a Punisher type character where he's a decent guy outside of murdering criminals. In the comic he rubs in Dick's probable death when Bludhaven explodes, just to be an asshole.
 
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