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Should I read Watchmen again? In 2008 I read it as a young college student and it blew my mind, the utter cleverness of the story, the seedy atmosphere of it all, the fantastic intersitials which were as fun to read as the actual comic panels.

Problem is now a whole decade passed, and I fear that what I once revered as one of the greatest works will now feel cringey to me. Even way back I remember some lines of dialogue coming off as wooden?

Maybe I should just leave it in nostalgia? Also fuck Damon Lindelof for trying to make another adaptation.
You can easily find the recent Watchmen release on the Internet or in your LCS. It also has some extras in it.
...These mental cases really do have to make everything about themselves don't they?
When you have no personality and no skill, what else can you do? Honestly, I'd kill them regardless if they were trans or not. Equal rights mean equal fights, and that equals death. Also, let's be honest, that character is going to come back anyways because comic characters rarely ever stay dead.
 
Should I read Watchmen again? In 2008 I read it as a young college student and it blew my mind, the utter cleverness of the story, the seedy atmosphere of it all, the fantastic intersitials which were as fun to read as the actual comic panels.

Problem is now a whole decade passed, and I fear that what I once revered as one of the greatest works will now feel cringey to me. Even way back I remember some lines of dialogue coming off as wooden?

Maybe I should just leave it in nostalgia? Also fuck Damon Lindelof for trying to make another adaptation.

I thought it held up well and I'd read a lot of dead white guys in between reading it the first time and the most recent. I don't think you'll think it's cringe.
 
Also, let's be honest, that character is going to come back anyways because comic characters rarely ever stay dead.

And when they do, it'll be because Wolfsbane is such a low tier character that they forgot she was supposed to be dead (like all the mutants who died from the Legacy virus that just showed up a few years later like nothing happened).
 
I reread it recently and IMHO it still holds up well. Maybe the page style didn't age well, but after a few pages you don't even notice it, since it's perfectly functional to the narration.
I recently bought the first volume of "The Castle in the Stars" by Alex Alice, and...holy shit.
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Excellent art and excellent story.
It's nice seeing comics from the other side of the pond. Any other eurocomics that you recommend?
And when they do, it'll be because Wolfsbane is such a low tier character that they forgot she was supposed to be dead (like all the mutants who died from the Legacy virus that just showed up a few years later like nothing happened).
And that's a hole in the plot and continuity.
 
It's nice seeing comics from the other side of the pond. Any other eurocomics that you recommend?
OK, let's see...
"The Forbidden Harbour" by Stefano Turconi and Teresa Radice. it has an English edition by Europe Comics. The story is about a young victim of a shipwreck who is saved by the captain of an English vessel. The boy doesn't remember anything but his name, and he will travel to find the truth about what happened to him. The authors decided to use this style to illustrate the book:
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If/when they'll decide to ink and color it I'll probably die.

Les Maîtres de l'orge (The Masters of Barley) by Jean Van Hamme e Francis Vallès. The story of a Belgian family of beer crafters, the Steenforts. It sounds boring, but it spans from the 1800 to the 20th century, and a lot of shit goes down: cheating, iligitimate sons who crave the family's fortune, two world wars, feuds between beer producers with people killed in creative ways. Nazis drown in beer (literally). I have no idea if it has an English edition.

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The Nikopol Trilogy by Enki Bilal. The story takes place in year 2023, in Paris, where the Egyptian pantheon, who suddenly arrived on a pyramid-shaped spaceship brings chaos to the city. The god Horus, eager to get revenge on his peers, possesses the body of Alcide Nikopol, a former soldier who by chance was freed from a cryogenic prison. Both the art and the story are very bizarre, but I liked it a lot.
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Le Troisième Testament (The 13th Testament) by Alex Alice and Xavier Dorison. The story takes place in France, during the Middle Ages, where an Inquisitor and his student try to retrieve a mysterious book that people are willing to kill for. I don't think it has been translated into English.
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These are the ones that came to mind first.
 
Should I read Watchmen again? In 2008 I read it as a young college student and it blew my mind, the utter cleverness of the story, the seedy atmosphere of it all, the fantastic intersitials which were as fun to read as the actual comic panels.

Problem is now a whole decade passed, and I fear that what I once revered as one of the greatest works will now feel cringey to me. Even way back I remember some lines of dialogue coming off as wooden?

Maybe I should just leave it in nostalgia? Also fuck Damon Lindelof for trying to make another adaptation.

I've read Watchmen more than any other single comic story (maybe the original Secret Wars) and it has always held up for me, no matter my age or where I am in my life. Alan Moore is really a wizard with words and story construction, that can't be diminished with time. Most of his work is rather timeless, even when a lot of it is in response to Thatcher-era politics. I frequently give Watchmen and All-Star Superman collections as gifts, even though I'll always be a proper Marvel Zombie.

The wooden dialog, I feel, is a further trapping of the genres and rhythms that Moore is infusing into the story. Unlike hacks like Kevin Smith (as an adult, I realize none of his work ever raised beyond that of a high school sophomore) or Brian Bendis (who is a television writer, plain and simple), Moore realizes that the dialog should be in service of the story, not just a lame attempt to be current or "cool." And these characters are those that have put themselves above and beyond us normal folks, their actions and words often reflect the disconnect between superheroes and actual people.

The biggest problem with re-reading Watchmen (and the Dark Knight Returns) is with how successful the book is/was. The book's influence was felt throughout comics in the era and today. The movie got Watchmen out into the cultural zeitgeist, but the themes and nuance were completely stripped away. The handling of the movie is actually a good reflection upon the book's influence on comics and larger pop culture. How could Rorschach possibly seem fresh or dangerous when every kewl badass from early Image and then contemporary Marvel & DC books sounded exactly as grim and gritty? The sex scene was a joke in the film, a lifeless bit of softcore pap with blindingly obvious music, but in the book was a release of narrative tension and the culmination of multiple complex threads.

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tldr: Watchmen rules, always will. and fuck Zack Snyder.
 
Normally I'm not one to shill, but I haven't been this excited for a comic in a while. For those who don't know Earthworm Jim is back in fucking comic form. I don't expect this to get much press though because the comic shill media doesn't like Doug.

 
A comic I'd never even heard of before is getting a TV show. :\




EXCLUSIVE: Syfy has given a series order to Vagrant Queen, a live-action adaptation of the star-spanning Vault Comics series that will be produced by Blue Ice Pictures and by an all-female team of writers and directors featuring Jem Garrard as creator and showrunner.


Lance Samuels, President of Blue Ice Pictures of Toronto, announced the adaptation of the Vault series that was co-created by Eisner- and GLAAD Media Award-nominated writer Magdalene Visaggio (Kim & Kim) and artist Jason Smith. Principal photography is slated to get underway in July in Cape Town, South Africa. Vagrant Queen will premiere on Syfy in 2020 as 10-episode, one-hour science fiction adventure series.

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Adriyan Rae (Light as a Feather) has been cast in the lead role of Elida, Tim Rozon (Diggstown) as Isaac, and Paul du Toit (Maze Runner) as the menacing Commander Lazaro. The tone of the project is described as a “fun, violent, snarky, space opera,”

The official synopsis from the producers: Vagrant Queen follows Elida from child queen to orphaned outcast, as she scavenges the treacherous corners of the galaxy, always one step ahead of the Republic government out to extinguish her bloodline. When her old friend Isaac shows up claiming her mother Xevelyn is still alive, they head off with their new ally, Amae, to stage a rescue that will take her back into the perilous heart of her former kingdom and up against a deadly foe from her childhood, Commander Lazaro.

2019 Syfy Pilots & Series Orders

Executive producing are Lance Samuels & Daniel Iron (Goalie) as well as F.J. DeSanto & Damian Wassel of Vault Comics. Mika Collins (Deep Six) and Mariko Tamaki (Skim) as on board as writers. Confirmed directors to date: Garrard (Mech X4) and Danishka Esterhazy (Banana Splits).

Rae is filming Season 2 of Hulu’s Light as a Feather and appeared in supporting roles in TV series Atlanta, Brockmire, American Soul and the film Superfly. She is repped by Stride Management, Abrams Artists Agency, Alexander White Agency and Ryan LeVine at Jackoway Austen Tyerman.

Vault, Wassel, and DeSanto are represented by Ava Jamshidi and Lars Theriot of Industry Entertainment and Matthew Sugarman of Weintraub Tobin. Garrard is repped by Michael Kolodny at Kaplan Stahler Agency and Ben C. Silverman from Integral Artists.

I guess sacrificing your weiner for a stink trench turns out to be a solid career move these days?



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A new report indicates that DC Comics has removed Tom King from their Batman series.

The report comes from Rich Johnston and Bleeding Cool and states that King will exit the series after Batman #85. They also note that King did not make the decision.

King appears to have addressed the rumors on Twitter simply writing, “So many kind notes. You all rock.”

So many kind notes. You all rock.
— Tom King (@TomKingTK) May 22, 2019


Tom King took over Batman with Batman: Rebirth in 2016 following his Vertigo Comics run on Sheriff of Babylon.

King had previously indicated that his Batman run was going to be a 100 issue story and he described it as “documenting and celebrating the love of Batman and Catwoman.” He added, “Whatever happens, whatever anyone says, nothing’s going to spoil that.”

In fact, he had previously revealed his run would be 100 issues back at New York Comic Con in 2017.

“If you look back at my issue 1, I knew I wanted to do 100 issues of this book and I wanted to focus on Bruce and Selina’s relationship as the core of the run.”
However, Catwoman didn’t show up in his Batman run until Batman #9.

More recently, King spoke with The Hollywood Reporter indicating that he planned on changing Batman “for a generation or maybe more. Maybe forever.”

“What we’re going to do for the last 15 issues is something no one’s ever seen for the character. It’s something that’s going to change the character for a generation, or maybe more. Maybe forever.”
If this report is true, DC Comics might have removed King due to flagging sales on their flagship title.

Scott Snyder’s run on the book ended with Batman #52 in May of 2016 and shipped 102,197 copes according to Comichron. King’s Batman #1 would ship 280,360 units in June of 2016. Those sales have come crumbling down.

The most recent issue of Batman, Batman #69 only shipped 88,666 units. It would be the fifth most shipped book, but would be beat by Scott Snyder’s Batman Who Laughs #4, Marvel’s Immortal Hulk #16, and the debut issues of Marvel’s War of Realms and Symbiote Spider-Man.

Not only has King’s Batman flagged in sales, but it has come under increasing criticism with many believing he is writing a radically different than Batman and Bruce Wayne.

In fact, Wes Daugherity at Bleeding Fool recently questioned, “When is the right time to drop Tom King’s Batman series?” The question came after King’s latest Batman #71. But he didn’t stop with questioning whether to drop the series. He stated, “DC Comics is heading [down] an extremely disturbing direction. They destroyed Superman, Batman and Wally West Flash.”

Daugherity is not alone in his criticism.

This week in Comics Are Garbage, Tom King’s Batman violently punches one of his allies in the face for no goddamn reason! Fuck you, DC! pic.twitter.com/nR6FSVEcwz
— Matt Invictus (@Atlanta962) May 15, 2019


At the hands of Tom King, Batman have gone from hero to someone who beats his own child.
Yeah, give me more reasons to dislike King. https://t.co/nHdZUJdNEr
— Spider-Fan (@sapidermun) May 15, 2019


Fans were mixed to the rumor that King is off Batman with many believing DC Comics are throwing away an opportunity while others believe it is a good move.

Best news I’ve heard in a LONG time. Tom King is the worst writer that DC has and he’s ruined Batman, Wally, etc. Thank you @DCComics, I’ll be subscribing again starting at issue 86! https://t.co/DRFrGwSjz8
— The Dork Knight (@CrisisOnC137) May 22, 2019


I haven’t read Tom King’s Batman since like issue 12 (dropped off reading weekly then and haven’t gone back into rebirth since except to read the wedding issue) but it’d be a shame if you let him write it for this long but don’t let him finish his story. He’s so close to the end
— Jeremy Horton (@LittleHooty) May 22, 2019


If DC Comics does end Tom King’s Batman run early it’ll go down as one of the worst decisions in their publishing history. How disrespectful to the creators, and the character currently celebrating his 80th anniversary to do that. And King just did press talking about the next 30
— Richard Newby (@RICHARDLNEWBY) May 22, 2019


WOW! I wonder if this is because he couldn't stand the criticism from fans as Tom King seems like a bit of a snowflake or DC just thought his story was shit.
I wonder if he's still going to 'change Batman forever' now? https://t.co/oDmp145DVk
— Mr. Bat-man 🍁🦇 (@KnightWing19) May 22, 2019


If this news is true about Tom King getting his run on Batman cut early, DC will have pissed away my goodwill that returned after Rebirth. It would be an idiotic decision to ruin this for a critically acclaimed writer, the artists he works with, and the fans. There is absolutely
— Comics Dude (@TheComic_Dude) May 22, 2019


What do you make about this rumor? Do you think King should be able to finish his run on Batman? Or do you think DC Comics should pull the trigger earlier?
 
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A new report indicates that DC Comics has removed Tom King from their Batman series.

The report comes from Rich Johnston and Bleeding Cool and states that King will exit the series after Batman #85. They also note that King did not make the decision.

King appears to have addressed the rumors on Twitter simply writing, “So many kind notes. You all rock.”




Tom King took over Batman with Batman: Rebirth in 2016 following his Vertigo Comics run on Sheriff of Babylon.

King had previously indicated that his Batman run was going to be a 100 issue story and he described it as “documenting and celebrating the love of Batman and Catwoman.” He added, “Whatever happens, whatever anyone says, nothing’s going to spoil that.”

In fact, he had previously revealed his run would be 100 issues back at New York Comic Con in 2017.


However, Catwoman didn’t show up in his Batman run until Batman #9.

More recently, King spoke with The Hollywood Reporter indicating that he planned on changing Batman “for a generation or maybe more. Maybe forever.”


If this report is true, DC Comics might have removed King due to flagging sales on their flagship title.

Scott Snyder’s run on the book ended with Batman #52 in May of 2016 and shipped 102,197 copes according to Comichron. King’s Batman #1 would ship 280,360 units in June of 2016. Those sales have come crumbling down.

The most recent issue of Batman, Batman #69 only shipped 88,666 units. It would be the fifth most shipped book, but would be beat by Scott Snyder’s Batman Who Laughs #4, Marvel’s Immortal Hulk #16, and the debut issues of Marvel’s War of Realms and Symbiote Spider-Man.

Not only has King’s Batman flagged in sales, but it has come under increasing criticism with many believing he is writing a radically different than Batman and Bruce Wayne.

In fact, Wes Daugherity at Bleeding Fool recently questioned, “When is the right time to drop Tom King’s Batman series?” The question came after King’s latest Batman #71. But he didn’t stop with questioning whether to drop the series. He stated, “DC Comics is heading [down] an extremely disturbing direction. They destroyed Superman, Batman and Wally West Flash.”

Daugherity is not alone in his criticism.







Fans were mixed to the rumor that King is off Batman with many believing DC Comics are throwing away an opportunity while others believe it is a good move.
















What do you make about this rumor? Do you think King should be able to finish his run on Batman? Or do you think DC Comics should pull the trigger earlier?
Isn't Tom King the sadsack that forced his readers to sit through his own psychological issues and do those shitty nine panel per page reaction shots? Because yeah those were pretty bad.
 
It's official:
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A new report indicates that DC Comics has removed Tom King from their Batman series.

The report comes from Rich Johnston and Bleeding Cool and states that King will exit the series after Batman #85. They also note that King did not make the decision.

King appears to have addressed the rumors on Twitter simply writing, “So many kind notes. You all rock.”




Tom King took over Batman with Batman: Rebirth in 2016 following his Vertigo Comics run on Sheriff of Babylon.

King had previously indicated that his Batman run was going to be a 100 issue story and he described it as “documenting and celebrating the love of Batman and Catwoman.” He added, “Whatever happens, whatever anyone says, nothing’s going to spoil that.”

In fact, he had previously revealed his run would be 100 issues back at New York Comic Con in 2017.


However, Catwoman didn’t show up in his Batman run until Batman #9.

More recently, King spoke with The Hollywood Reporter indicating that he planned on changing Batman “for a generation or maybe more. Maybe forever.”


If this report is true, DC Comics might have removed King due to flagging sales on their flagship title.

Scott Snyder’s run on the book ended with Batman #52 in May of 2016 and shipped 102,197 copes according to Comichron. King’s Batman #1 would ship 280,360 units in June of 2016. Those sales have come crumbling down.

The most recent issue of Batman, Batman #69 only shipped 88,666 units. It would be the fifth most shipped book, but would be beat by Scott Snyder’s Batman Who Laughs #4, Marvel’s Immortal Hulk #16, and the debut issues of Marvel’s War of Realms and Symbiote Spider-Man.

Not only has King’s Batman flagged in sales, but it has come under increasing criticism with many believing he is writing a radically different than Batman and Bruce Wayne.

In fact, Wes Daugherity at Bleeding Fool recently questioned, “When is the right time to drop Tom King’s Batman series?” The question came after King’s latest Batman #71. But he didn’t stop with questioning whether to drop the series. He stated, “DC Comics is heading [down] an extremely disturbing direction. They destroyed Superman, Batman and Wally West Flash.”

Daugherity is not alone in his criticism.







Fans were mixed to the rumor that King is off Batman with many believing DC Comics are throwing away an opportunity while others believe it is a good move.
















What do you make about this rumor? Do you think King should be able to finish his run on Batman? Or do you think DC Comics should pull the trigger earlier?
Now if only they'd take Bendis and Wilson off Superman and Wonder Woman.
 
It's official:
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A new report indicates that DC Comics has removed Tom King from their Batman series.

The report comes from Rich Johnston and Bleeding Cool and states that King will exit the series after Batman #85. They also note that King did not make the decision.

King appears to have addressed the rumors on Twitter simply writing, “So many kind notes. You all rock.”




Tom King took over Batman with Batman: Rebirth in 2016 following his Vertigo Comics run on Sheriff of Babylon.

King had previously indicated that his Batman run was going to be a 100 issue story and he described it as “documenting and celebrating the love of Batman and Catwoman.” He added, “Whatever happens, whatever anyone says, nothing’s going to spoil that.”

In fact, he had previously revealed his run would be 100 issues back at New York Comic Con in 2017.


However, Catwoman didn’t show up in his Batman run until Batman #9.

More recently, King spoke with The Hollywood Reporter indicating that he planned on changing Batman “for a generation or maybe more. Maybe forever.”


If this report is true, DC Comics might have removed King due to flagging sales on their flagship title.

Scott Snyder’s run on the book ended with Batman #52 in May of 2016 and shipped 102,197 copes according to Comichron. King’s Batman #1 would ship 280,360 units in June of 2016. Those sales have come crumbling down.

The most recent issue of Batman, Batman #69 only shipped 88,666 units. It would be the fifth most shipped book, but would be beat by Scott Snyder’s Batman Who Laughs #4, Marvel’s Immortal Hulk #16, and the debut issues of Marvel’s War of Realms and Symbiote Spider-Man.

Not only has King’s Batman flagged in sales, but it has come under increasing criticism with many believing he is writing a radically different than Batman and Bruce Wayne.

In fact, Wes Daugherity at Bleeding Fool recently questioned, “When is the right time to drop Tom King’s Batman series?” The question came after King’s latest Batman #71. But he didn’t stop with questioning whether to drop the series. He stated, “DC Comics is heading [down] an extremely disturbing direction. They destroyed Superman, Batman and Wally West Flash.”

Daugherity is not alone in his criticism.







Fans were mixed to the rumor that King is off Batman with many believing DC Comics are throwing away an opportunity while others believe it is a good move.
















What do you make about this rumor? Do you think King should be able to finish his run on Batman? Or do you think DC Comics should pull the trigger earlier?
I love it when writers get to have long lasting runs and I really miss the days when a writer would get at least a 50-100 issues run and really tell a story with thematic arcs/plot threads but King's Batman has been one of the most unenjoyable comics since rebirth and I can't wait to see who takes it over since it can only get better. Hopefully Priest gets the job because that dude has been wanting it for decades and he might actually be a good fit for NuBatman and his Deathstroke is sick.
 
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I didn’t particularly hate King’s Batman. He seems to generally be nice to fans so it’s a shame that he, of all people, had to be knocked off a book.

I guess if you’re going to start chopping heads that don’t put out good product, it’s best to start from the top.
 
I didn’t particularly hate King’s Batman. He seems to generally be nice to fans so it’s a shame that he, of all people, had to be knocked off a book.

I guess if you’re going to start chopping heads that don’t put out good product, it’s best to start from the top.
There is only so many times you can repeatably piss people off like he did before the higher ups get antsy with your creative "direction". But King is really nice to fans and I do legitimately feel for him even though I hate the run.
 
I've actually liked some of King's stuff, and I liked the idea of what he was going for with Batman, but I don't think he's the type of guy you assign to a huge story arc like that. There was a definite decline in quality with the comic becoming very repetitive and acting like it was much deeper than it actually was. Obviously we don't know what the final issues would look like, but I don't think it is a stretch to say King could have told the same story in 20-25 issues.

I'd still pick King writing Batman over Bendis writing Superman though.
 
Should I read Watchmen again? In 2008 I read it as a young college student and it blew my mind, the utter cleverness of the story, the seedy atmosphere of it all, the fantastic intersitials which were as fun to read as the actual comic panels.

Problem is now a whole decade passed, and I fear that what I once revered as one of the greatest works will now feel cringey to me. Even way back I remember some lines of dialogue coming off as wooden?

Maybe I should just leave it in nostalgia? Also fuck Damon Lindelof for trying to make another adaptation.

As many have already said, absolutely. It will always be a good comic but with time the cultural context is lot. Things like Thatcher, the pressure from the cold war and the doomsday clock isn't that well remember today among younger people or even older. Iron Maiden's "2 Minutes to Midnight" was about that clock, who the fuck knows that these days?

If you want other Alan Moore comics you should check out his Swamp Thing. Someone either has preconceptions of what to expect from Swamp Thing or have no idea what to expect from Swamp Thing and they will both be wrong somehow.

From Hell, the comic not the movie, was also really good and like so many other things he's written you sometimes have to put it down and think while staring at the ceiling. Not because it's hard, it has some neat ideas in it. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is good as well, the movie is shit though just like From Hell, V for Vendetta that made Moore resent the movie business.

Miracle Man/Marvel Man is out in print again after a 30+ year dispute over who owned the rights, that one is also good but I read it a long time ago.

Good Alan Moore story from Warren Ellis.
 
Hot take ; I really like Sean Murphy , even though he’s a complete ass sometimes , he can be chill and a cool dude ( but I’m not here to talk about the guy’s personality ) .i admire the Dude is a great artist he works fast and has a good work ethic , great cinematic composition ( He only uses one point perspectives !) , best drawn cars in the biz. He is lazy at backgrounds tho read any of his comics (white knight is a prime example ) and notice the prop placement on the background , couches , doors furnitures come in and out of nowhere all the time .
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring good news (and hopefully it's still news) - Marvel's rodent has been cancelled.

 
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