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Spider-man is a white male character, he doesn't deserve quality.
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He's... a white male?! He's a menace to the entire population! I. WANT. SPIDER-MAYO.
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I thought he was a Japanese dude with a giant robot... that fights some sort of Alien stripper chick or something?
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That's the Japanese version
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Is that just a female Nightwing?
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She was created by Scott Snyder, a bisexual atheist that wasn't well written (same for the black kid he created to make about him hating the concept of Robin like how he refused to use Damien because "I have kids so I can't handle writing a fictional kid in any bad situation) and in the Batman and Robin Eternal comic she ended up having the whole story revolve around her while Batman was often not seen and the Robins were shoved out to be secondary characters
Remember the whole "Cyclops was right" debate people had? Well we have a canonical answer now
This is important because it shows Cyclops isn't anymore a Mutant supremacist (oh and Paul helped the character in the next image to revive Cyclops)
Straight from Cyclops mouth (that other character is KID Cable, yes they killed Cable again and replaced him with another version of him that has that, the stuff mentioned earlier and convincing the X-Men to send the tennage original 5 back home (By the way here's how it ended, the teenage Jean Grey wipes her and the other 5 memories so history is not changed, I don't know how but the Adult O5 have the memories of their teenage selves (Yes adult Jean Grey is back too) )
What a waste of years
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This is the worst kind of retcon. Where a character just kind of changes their mind out of nowhere in an attempt to pretend a previous run didn't happen.
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So is Iceman still a cock-craving soyboy? Or did Teen Grey take that awful piece of brainwashing home with her too?
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He was made straight again in Extermination, you can bet your ass degenerates reeee like the freaks they are
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So are they just pretending it didn't happen?
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Sort of. A younger version of Cable shows up, kills the older version, then kidnaps the original teenage X-Men (Scott, Hank, Jean, Warren, and Bobby). He amputates Warren's flaming wings of cosmic energy, and grafts on a pair of feathery ones from Mimic. He tells them that by staying there,it will eventually lead to a "Days of Future Past" future, and so they have to go back the way they were originally, with their memories of the future erased so they don't alter the timeline further. This means that young past Bobby has to forget the fact that he likes dick now, but current adult Bobby is still munching on cock like popsicles. Just another reason why making Bobby gay was stupid - it not only retconned all the numerous relationships he had with women, but any moron could see that they had to go back eventually and baby Bobby would have to unsuck all those dicks.
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You know for all the wokening they've been doing, does Marvel still keep Hank Pym still around? I'd be surprised that they'd keep a white male that hit his wife around but then again Marvel does only care about money with wokeness as a SHIELD (haha)
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I'm pretty behind on Marvel lore, but if I remember right the last time I saw Hank around he was either merged with or being controlled by Ultron.
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That's... weird.
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Artgerm is hit or miss for me, but his 'retro' cover for the upcoming Detective Comics #1000 is awesome.
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Sperging about Comics is what I do best.
I'm re-reading the 90s run of X-Factor right now and it's making me very nostalgic. The art work is consistently excellent and super dynamic, the storylines are tight and the characters act like actual people. They have flaws and make stupid decisions, and the topic of prejudice and racism is presented impressively sensitively from a 90s superhero comic. I really love comics from this period- there were some really amazing artists at thetop of their game and the eye-watering colours are so much fun to look at.
Quicksilver has an especially compelling arc and it made me sad that the newer books and writers have essentially torn down everything that was built up since his introduction with retconning and shitty writing. Ahmed's 2018 Quicksilver run was notably terrible with poor characterisation, lazy art and blatant soapboxing about how racist Europeans are. Someone said out that his skin had been darkened and looking back I think they might be right. It was just really clear that either Ahmed had not read much of the stellar development of Quicksilver's character that went on in the 90s, or he just doesn't give a shit. The bit with the turtle was cringy as hell and the shoehorning of selfies and all that shit was just lame. Richard Meyer pointed out that the backgrounds were mostly free assets that had been lazily adjusted in photoshop and by god, so they are. How fucking lazy do you have to be, on a book that is 50% one guy pissing about talking to himself? Just stick him in the hot white room and be done with it if you can't draw trees, goddamn.
That was the first dedicated Quicksilver series since the excellent Son of M and there was basically nothing in it to connect it to the character. I realised, reading the older books again, how important Quicksilver's relationship to Magneto and his heritage was, and how that had shaped his character. There's a constant cycle of redemption and disgrace, with the ever present shadow of Magneto and the power that he could wield if he gave in to his feelings of disdain for humanity. It's a shame they cancelled Quicksilver (1997) purely because they were clearly going somewhere interesting with the relationship between Quicksilver and Magneto.
With the retcon of his origin story it essentially throws all that out of the window, and now he's just some angry cuckold who blames white Europeans for his problems. Like bitch, he is European, what happened to Wundagore? Where'd it go? To be honest at this point I selectively ignore anything published after 2012. Avengers: Millenium was pretty good, and Scarlet Witch was a breath of fresh air, but is that enough to justify a continued investment in the canon? I don't know. The art regularly sucks too, it's so flat and un-dynamic. There's no visual kick aside from some edgy panel placement and overuse of neon.
This whole thing makes me super irrationally mad. As a kid, funny to say, I really identified with Quicksilver. He has a constant theme of trying to be better and fucking it up, distancing himself from other people because he's too far into his own head. He's never reaching his full potential because he's all wrapped up in ridiculous standards he sets for himself. His self-imposed isolation is shown really well in X-Factor , for example when he puts off wearing the team uniform until his last few appearances. Even in his placement in group scenes, he's often standing apart from the others. The theme of racism was always a part of his character, but instead of being the victim he was the perpetrator, a victim of radicalisation who sees the lives of humans as lesser than those of mutants because of inherited injustices. He wants revenge, which frequently leads to him turning against humans and committing serious crimes. He brings a lot of the trouble he faces on his own head. The guy regularly supported the segregation or even genocide of humans, and he's being used to virtue signal about immigration and racism.
I think that side of his character has recently been scrapped in favour of plain 'white people are racist' because in the current year no protagonist can ever have flaws or nuance. Or be white. God forbid we air out unpopular opinions or think about how other people with different experiences might feel. It's honestly a little insulting to the intelligence of the reader.
I just wonder at what point this all happened? Uncanny X Factor in 2016 (?) was entertaining and Quicksilver's appearance at the end of Scarlet Witch was very well done. Even Avengers Academy, bland though it was, was on model. Which event caused this shift? Or is it just the work of Saladin Ahmed and his bewildering level of influence? Whichever, I'm not holding out much hope for the future. I predict that Marvel's gonna kill off a bunch of major characters or perhaps scrap several series in the next couple of years, since their sales are so pathetic, and focus on films and TV. Moviegoers don't buy comics regularly, and comic-book fans are moving away from Marvel due to the bastardisation of established characters and institutions.
I'm re-reading the 90s run of X-Factor right now and it's making me very nostalgic. The art work is consistently excellent and super dynamic, the storylines are tight and the characters act like actual people. They have flaws and make stupid decisions, and the topic of prejudice and racism is presented impressively sensitively from a 90s superhero comic. I really love comics from this period- there were some really amazing artists at thetop of their game and the eye-watering colours are so much fun to look at.
Quicksilver has an especially compelling arc and it made me sad that the newer books and writers have essentially torn down everything that was built up since his introduction with retconning and shitty writing. Ahmed's 2018 Quicksilver run was notably terrible with poor characterisation, lazy art and blatant soapboxing about how racist Europeans are. Someone said out that his skin had been darkened and looking back I think they might be right. It was just really clear that either Ahmed had not read much of the stellar development of Quicksilver's character that went on in the 90s, or he just doesn't give a shit. The bit with the turtle was cringy as hell and the shoehorning of selfies and all that shit was just lame. Richard Meyer pointed out that the backgrounds were mostly free assets that had been lazily adjusted in photoshop and by god, so they are. How fucking lazy do you have to be, on a book that is 50% one guy pissing about talking to himself? Just stick him in the hot white room and be done with it if you can't draw trees, goddamn.
That was the first dedicated Quicksilver series since the excellent Son of M and there was basically nothing in it to connect it to the character. I realised, reading the older books again, how important Quicksilver's relationship to Magneto and his heritage was, and how that had shaped his character. There's a constant cycle of redemption and disgrace, with the ever present shadow of Magneto and the power that he could wield if he gave in to his feelings of disdain for humanity. It's a shame they cancelled Quicksilver (1997) purely because they were clearly going somewhere interesting with the relationship between Quicksilver and Magneto.
With the retcon of his origin story it essentially throws all that out of the window, and now he's just some angry cuckold who blames white Europeans for his problems. Like bitch, he is European, what happened to Wundagore? Where'd it go? To be honest at this point I selectively ignore anything published after 2012. Avengers: Millenium was pretty good, and Scarlet Witch was a breath of fresh air, but is that enough to justify a continued investment in the canon? I don't know. The art regularly sucks too, it's so flat and un-dynamic. There's no visual kick aside from some edgy panel placement and overuse of neon.
This whole thing makes me super irrationally mad. As a kid, funny to say, I really identified with Quicksilver. He has a constant theme of trying to be better and fucking it up, distancing himself from other people because he's too far into his own head. He's never reaching his full potential because he's all wrapped up in ridiculous standards he sets for himself. His self-imposed isolation is shown really well in X-Factor , for example when he puts off wearing the team uniform until his last few appearances. Even in his placement in group scenes, he's often standing apart from the others. The theme of racism was always a part of his character, but instead of being the victim he was the perpetrator, a victim of radicalisation who sees the lives of humans as lesser than those of mutants because of inherited injustices. He wants revenge, which frequently leads to him turning against humans and committing serious crimes. He brings a lot of the trouble he faces on his own head. The guy regularly supported the segregation or even genocide of humans, and he's being used to virtue signal about immigration and racism.
I think that side of his character has recently been scrapped in favour of plain 'white people are racist' because in the current year no protagonist can ever have flaws or nuance. Or be white. God forbid we air out unpopular opinions or think about how other people with different experiences might feel. It's honestly a little insulting to the intelligence of the reader.
I just wonder at what point this all happened? Uncanny X Factor in 2016 (?) was entertaining and Quicksilver's appearance at the end of Scarlet Witch was very well done. Even Avengers Academy, bland though it was, was on model. Which event caused this shift? Or is it just the work of Saladin Ahmed and his bewildering level of influence? Whichever, I'm not holding out much hope for the future. I predict that Marvel's gonna kill off a bunch of major characters or perhaps scrap several series in the next couple of years, since their sales are so pathetic, and focus on films and TV. Moviegoers don't buy comics regularly, and comic-book fans are moving away from Marvel due to the bastardisation of established characters and institutions.
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Anyone here read any SINK?
I've only read the first two issues, but it seems promising so far.
I've only read the first two issues, but it seems promising so far.
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Doomsday Clock #9 (finally) came out today. Here are some highlights.
The Legion flight ring on the cover is not Saturn Girl's. It belongs to Ferro Lad and his ring got thrown back in time by the Sun-Eater explosion to the 21st century where Dr. Manhattan retrieves it. After he manipulates time to kill Alan Scott before he could become Green Lantern, the ring disappears and the 31st century is "erased" as far as Manhattan is concerned.
The Justice League retrieves Batman, Superman, and both halves of Firestorm. Superman is currently in a coma while Batman is recovering at Wayne Manor. The League and Earth's heroes head off to Mars to confront Manhattan, taking Ronnie Raymond and Martin Stein with them.
Anyone who's upset over what DiDio did to Dick Grayson can heave a sigh of relief. He appears as Nightwing in at least one panel.
Donald Trump is the President of the United States on Earth-0. Make of that as you will.
Batman deduced that someone (likely Ozymadias) framed Dr. Manhattan for what happened in Moscow and is playing the League.
Lex Luthor mentions Wally West. Could it be possible Wally's coming back from the dead?
Dr. Manhattan reveals that Dr. Stein is behind the Superman Theory and manipulated events so that he and Ronnie became Firestorm.
Wonder Woman appears at the UN to lay out a peace plan to deescalate metahuman arms race, but Black Adam, Giganta, and Creeper crash in to "make a move."
The Justice League retrieves Batman, Superman, and both halves of Firestorm. Superman is currently in a coma while Batman is recovering at Wayne Manor. The League and Earth's heroes head off to Mars to confront Manhattan, taking Ronnie Raymond and Martin Stein with them.
Anyone who's upset over what DiDio did to Dick Grayson can heave a sigh of relief. He appears as Nightwing in at least one panel.
Donald Trump is the President of the United States on Earth-0. Make of that as you will.
Batman deduced that someone (likely Ozymadias) framed Dr. Manhattan for what happened in Moscow and is playing the League.
Lex Luthor mentions Wally West. Could it be possible Wally's coming back from the dead?
Dr. Manhattan reveals that Dr. Stein is behind the Superman Theory and manipulated events so that he and Ronnie became Firestorm.
Wonder Woman appears at the UN to lay out a peace plan to deescalate metahuman arms race, but Black Adam, Giganta, and Creeper crash in to "make a move."