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ωσкє вℓυє мυѕℓιм qυєєη said:
You know, that's exactly how I have felt about Ms. Marvel for a quite a while. Kamala Khan as an archetype was something revolutionary (not the muslim aspect, but being a relatable teenager aiming for a new demographic. Decades of continuity made Spider-Man loss its familiarity (specially the 90s) and the more relatable characters in Marvel were usually so under the carpet they went barely noticed. Enters G. W. Wilson and makes a character that kills to birds with one stone: reconnect with younger readers and please the diversity crowd.

What went wrong?

As all concepts it reaches a point it becomes stale. Kamala as she is good is extremely simple and a character that will lose its appeal as soon as time passes. Her quirky personality and attitude were novelties at the time and her background make it even better. Kamala wasn't the first muslim superhero but she hit a place that make her an icon: being american. I won't lie, the first volume is pure gold and is a loyal portrayal of how is growing up as a racial/religious minority without being too aggressive. But then, Marvel saw that Ms. Marvel was selling well (not that much, enough to keep relevancy) and once more and more hacks entered the company they saw Kamala as the only inhouse prototype that could work from the get go. As Ms. Marvel lost its novelty, the rest of titles looked worse in comparison. Kamala is amazing in small doses but it was clear that from the very top of the company she wasn't allowed to grow, change was out of the formula. This make her more formulaic, and when she started to plump the rhetoric entered the room. Something that went almost untouched since the very beginning became the norm and Kamala changed Islam for Tumblr as her religion.
Kamala is trapped, she will not change at least is permitted and by then only a genius could save the concept. And the worst is that Wilson allowed everything, she didn't fight for her artistic integrity, maybe because she does have any.
For now she can brag about making to good volumes of a character which mayor punch has become a norm, the standard. Am I worried for Wonder Woman? Not really, Wilson as a handful of SJWs is talented, she only needs a decent editor and for now DC is the direction to go.
For what comes to Kamala, she has easily become the Scrappy Doo of comic books. Marvel should give her a break and mature her a bit.
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I agree, Kamala can be cute in small doses and worked as a street-level superhero. They made the mistake of throwing her into things that were out of her league. Putting her in the Avengers was a bad idea, though I would be fine with a story where she tries out to become an Avenger and fails due to her age, limited abilities and lack of experience.

Just let her rest a bit, give her some good villains and experiment with her abilties (maybe she could look up to someone like Mr. Fantastic or Goliath as an inspiration of what else she could do with her powers).
 
The first 11 issues of Kamala's first volume (the Inventor arc) were great. After that I slowly lost interest with each new issue until I had no interest in continuing into the second volume, which from what I've heard only got worse. She really did become a victim of both her own popularity and Marvel's moronic need to push a SJW-friendly character to the forefront.

Had they left her alone and let her life develop like they originally did Spider-Man (who went from living with his aunt while in high school to rooming with Harry while in college to living alone as a graduate student & teacher's assistant to living with his wife) it's possible Kamala would've enjoyed continued success and fandom. Now, though, after forcing her into multiple teams and guest starring in a dozen books a month I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years she's no better off than Gwenpool, Spider-Gwen, or X-23.
 
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Tor Lugosi said:
The first 11 issues of Kamala's first volume (the Inventor arc) were great. After that I slowly lost interest with each new issue until I had no interest in continuing into the second volume, which from what I've heard only got worse. She really did become a victim of both her own popularity and Marvel's moronic need to push a SJW-friendly to the forefront.

Had they left her alone and let her life develop like they originally did Spider-Man (who went from living with his aunt while in high school to rooming with Harry while in college to living alone as a graduate student & teacher's assistant to living with his wife) it's possible Kamala would've enjoyed continued success and fandom. Now, though, after forcing her into multiple teams and into guest starring in a dozen books a month it I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years she's no better off than Gwenpool, Spider-Gwen, or X-23.
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At least X-23 has a decent run in comics and Logan. Spider-Gwen is going to be in Spider Verse. Kamala doesn't get shit.
 
GabeRegan said:
The worse thing they did for Kamala was putting her in The Avengers, and later the Champions (both written by Mark Waid). They really should have just kept her in Jersey, interacting with local heroes and villains and build her up more before putting her on a big team.
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I never liked Kamala, but it didn't help that they tried too hard to make her so representative of the modern (see also: retarded) left either. In the Annual they took her back to reading fanfiction and have her read a story where Marvelman is a lame misogynist strawman of her IRL detractors, which somehow gives her permission to beat up whoever wrote it with impunity.

Likewise in the lead-up to the Presidential election, they made an issue where she goes on about the importance of voting and she leads a band of oppressed worker-class to the poll booths while brandishing the American flag, shortly after pummeling two security guards who were Evil Ol' Whitey. It was such a hamfisted attempt, and for someone with the abilities she has it's not like she couldn't have simply restrained the guards with minimal effort, instead taking the violent route to resolve things. I guess the argument could be made that she's young and doesn't grasp consequences, but then again none of the Marvel characters seem to understand it.

The less said about Champions the better, but no superhero who worked in that millennial team came out the better for it. With all that in mind, Kamala never really hit the right buttons for me when Marvel saw her as nothing but an agenda to exploit.
 
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That Chris Guy said:
I never liked Kamala, but it didn't help that they tried too hard to make her so representative of the modern (see also: exceptional) left either. In the Annual they took her back to reading fanfiction and have her read a story where Marvelman is a lame misogynist strawman of her IRL detractors, which somehow gives her permission to beat up whoever wrote it with impunity.

Likewise in the lead-up to the Presidential election, they made an issue where she goes on about the importance of voting and she leads a band of oppressed worker-class to the poll booths while brandishing the American flag, shortly after pummeling two security guards who were Evil Ol' Whitey. It was such a hamfisted attempt, and for someone with the abilities she has it's not like she couldn't have simply restrained the guards with minimal effort, instead taking the violent route to resolve things. I guess the argument could be made that she's young and doesn't grasp consequences, but then again none of the Marvel characters seem to understand it.

The less said about Champions the better, but no superhero who worked in that millennial team came out the better for it. With all that in mind, Kamala never really hit the right buttons for me when Marvel saw her as nothing but an agenda to exploit.
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Let's not forget how she acted during Civil War II by being Carol Danvers' little fascist ally that ended up getting one of her friends hurt while she was more concerned with herself when visiting him in the hospital.
 
Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Let's not forget how she acted during Civil War II by being Carol Danvers' little fascist ally that ended up getting one of her friends hurt while she was more concerned with herself when visiting him in the hospital.
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Yeah...Civil War II was more-or-less a disaster for every character involved, with certain "heroes" being more villainous than the villains they face normally. Kamala was also very self-centred in Champions if I recall, caring more about her online image than harbouring any sympathy for the suffering of those around her. Textbook example of an SJW, really.

I haven't kept up on her main books due to my disdain for her, but do they bother tackling any of the difficult subjects faced with being a believer of Islam in their home countries? Like how women's testimony is less valuable in court? Or how stoning is still a capital punishment, or how women can be lashed for not wearing a hijab? Or is it all sunshine and bunnies where MUH DIVERSITY can do no wrong?
 
Kamala is a bargain bucket Peter Parker with Reed Richards powers. Let's not pretend she was the best thing ever when she came out and especially not pretend she isn't just one massive political statement.
 
That Chris Guy said:
I haven't kept up on her main books due to my disdain for her, but do they bother tackling any of the difficult subjects faced with being a believer of Islam in their home countries? Like how women's testimony is less valuable in court? Or how stoning is still a capital punishment, or how women can be lashed for not wearing a hijab? Or is it all sunshine and bunnies where MUH DIVERSITY can do no wrong?
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No they never did in Kamala's comic. Her sister-in-law even converted when she married Kamala's brother and started dressing in that covering that only shows the face. I remember in an issue of Champions, they helped some middle eastern girls defend themselves (they wanted to be educated), but religion and Kamala's feelings were never touched on it.


Alpha Loves You said:
Kamala is a bargain bucket Peter Parker with Reed Richards powers. Let's not pretend she was the best thing ever when she came out and especially not pretend she isn't just one massive political statement.
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She had potiental, but not a real game-changing potiental. It's sad she never really did much with her powers other than grow big and make fists.
 
I sometimes can't take Kamala seriously whenever she randomly makes her hands huge outside of crime fighting.
 
Zaryiu said:
Personally I don't care for Black Widow in of her incarnations, making her a founding member of the Avengers was a mistake since I'm sure they could have put a more interesting character in that spot
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I understand why they padded out the roster with her and Hawkeye, mainly because they don't have flashy powers that require a shitload of CGI, but they should really have kept them for the lower-stakes Captain America movies. It gets really distracting in the Avengers movies when they have to jump through so many hoops to keep them involved in the story and the fights when they should really be a stain on the sidewalk within the first five minutes.
 
Goodbye Horses said:
I understand why they padded out the roster with her and Hawkeye, mainly because they don't have flashy powers that require a shitload of CGI, but they should really have kept them for the lower-stakes Captain America movies. It gets really distracting in the Avengers movies when they have to jump through so many hoops to keep them involved in the story and the fights when they should really be a stain on the sidewalk within the first five minutes.
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Well in Hawkeye case he joined at the same time as Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the comicscomic there where three openings in the roster by three of the four of the founding members (not including Hulk who left earlier) so I can see them putting in the roster but then again most of the enemies back then we're less powerful than Loki, Ultron orThanos
 
Zaryiu said:
Well in Hawkeye case he joined at the same time as Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the comicscomic there where three openings in the roster by three of the four of the founding members (not including Hulk who left earlier) so I can see them putting in the roster but then again most of the enemies back then we're less powerful than Loki, Ultron orThanos
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More likely Whedon insisted on a little kung-fu chick he could have walk around with bare feet and Hawkeye was added to avoid questions like "why is the only woman on the team the only one without powers?".
But yeah, in the comics it wasn't alien invasions and god-like beings every issue, it was more going up against AIM and Hydra and other slightly more grounded threats that could conceivably be thwarted by a bloke with some bits of wood and a piece of string. As soon as you have Hulk and Thor on the team though the power level of the threat has to increase to match them, Cap and Ironman become second string and guys like Hawkeye are just statues waiting to happen.
 
1) Hawkeye is an awesome character and I'll fight you IRL under the flagpole after school if you disagree.

2) Marvel has released a trailer for their "Marvel Rising" shorts. Animation looks alright, kind of like a slightly sub-par "Gargoyles" but the dialogue is about as engaging as you'd expect from a CURRENT YEAR Marvel project.


Featuring all your favorite characters including Muslim Fistpocalypse, Double Wide Rodent, Flying Black Man, Quake Arena, and Spider-Gwe... I mean, Ghost Spider.
 
From my understanding comics were an extension of the older formats of hero/idol worship and mythology hell Batman is just a repackaged Zorro and Superman has it's origins in a pulp short story called The Gladiator.
 
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