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What I don't understand is why they hate D&C, but don't seem nearly as concerned with Capt. Cummings, who is far more reactionary and beligerent about his opinions. The drama is stupid, but it's stupidity on the Marvel writers' parts, not his.

In other news, ACCELL continues to be a disappointment. The last issue attempted to give whatshisface a character, but it just falls flat. I want to drop it, but the villain (Glazz) looks pretty cool, as does the unnamed moon chick who appears at the end.

But sometimes the way the artist draws Accell himself is so... disproportionate, it gets distracting. The parts where he's running look gorgeous, but the standing still shots are AWFUL. The girlfriend is still bland as all hell. SUPERB isn't exactly the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's competent. Definitely the better book, bar none. I like Kathy way more than I like the... boy kid whose name I've forgotten already.

I finally decided to pick up NOBLE, as well as INCIDENTALS, but I haven't read them yet. I'm super busy. I'll let you know how that goes.

Metal #2 is fantastic, but... probably not for the reasons intended. But it's nice to have an event that has both stakes and stupid comic fun.

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Seriously, BATMANIUM? I didn't know Batman got his own Z-move! Aquaman had the best line in the book. And Baby Darkseid. Oh lord, I was giving my brother the play-by-play of the issue as we were driving home, and lemme tell you, we laughed our asses off when Batman pulled Baby Darkseid out of the fucking bag. Also, evil Joker-esque gimp Batman and Robin, whaaaaaat.

I had some reservations about the first issue, but... you have my attention, Metal.

One last thing: can we talk about how fucking great the art in Aquaman has been lately? Like, holy hell!

 

[Water-T]

What I don't understand is why they hate D&C, but don't seem nearly as concerned with Capt. Cummings, who is far more reactionary and beligerent about his opinions. The drama is stupid, but it's stupidity on the Marvel writers' parts, not his.

Agreed. Cummings is a lot more aggressive and right-leaning in his opinions than D&C, who has been making an open effort to be less antagonistic toward SJWs.

 

[breadandcircuses]

Black Panther and Wakanda was a mistake - Christopher Priest

What the fucking fuck was that?

"You want to blame the Wakanda complaints on racism, but the complaints are about the inconsistency caused by writers wanting to do several mutually exclusive things with it to reflect one political idea or another.

It's an advanced isolationist African nation, showing the potential of what Africa could be without colonialist intervention.

But it's also a land by armed conflict, to mirror the current struggles of real Africa.

But it's also a country so far advanced that it invented a cure for cancer, and a way to disable all guns (despite the armed conflict)

It's advance is due to a having the only depository of Vibranium in the world, which fell to them in a meteor.

But they're also a galaxy-spanning empire that predates humanity."

That last bit is actually canon. I'm not sure I can even any more, because holy shit, Black Panther has reached a level of lazy writing...

 

[GabeRegan]

See, this is why nobody every buys Black Panther comics. Everyone always tries to write Wakanda as a nation of magical black people, and it completely falls apart when you try to put that setting into actual real world Africa. At one point it was actually stated (in I think a Fantastic Four comic) that Wakanda bailed out the US during the recession by buying all of our debt.

 

[io02]

haven't read any wakanda comics, but imo what matters is fun and style, not politics.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

Black Panther and Wakanda was a mistake - Christopher Priest

What the fucking fuck was that?

"You want to blame the Wakanda complaints on racism, but the complaints are about the inconsistency caused by writers wanting to do several mutually exclusive things with it to reflect one political idea or another.

It's an advanced isolationist African nation, showing the potential of what Africa could be without colonialist intervention.

But it's also a land by armed conflict, to mirror the current struggles of real Africa.

But it's also a country so far advanced that it invented a cure for cancer, and a way to disable all guns (despite the armed conflict)

It's advance is due to a having the only depository of Vibranium in the world, which fell to them in a meteor.

But they're also a galaxy-spanning empire that predates humanity."

That last bit is actually canon. I'm not sure I can even any more, because holy shit, Black Panther has reached a level of lazy writing...

Was it Reginald Hudlin who brought forth the idea that Wakanda had actually found a cure for cancer but wasn't going to share it with the white man?

 

[breadandcircuses]

Was it Reginald Hudlin who brought forth the idea that Wakanda had actually found a cure for cancer but wasn't going to share it with the white man?

Yes, but Hudlin was the anti Christopher Priest.

I don't mind Wakanda being an advanced African nation without any interference from the colonial powers, but on the other hand... I don't want bad writing either, or shit that doesn't make sense.

I know during Priest's run, Wakanda was advanced, but not unrealistically, and T'challa still had to do with the fact that most of the Wakandan tribes HATED each other.

But now, now being King of Wakanda (or emperor of a galaxy spanning empire) is so important, that T'challa can be a celebrity in New York.

This is We Wuz Kangs level of terrible.

 

[breadandcircuses]

So I just read the Dark Nights tie ins Batman the Red Death and Batman Murder Machine.

And...

Metal is stupid as fuck, but unlike Secret Empire, not only does it know it's stupid as fuck, it's actively reveling in being stupid as fuck. Taking refuge in it's own audacity.

 

[Hummingbird]

What is it with these non-white, SJW-approved heroes where they're such jerks that they end up acting more villainous than heroic...

• Riri Williams: Captain Cummings and Diversity & Comics pretty much cover it.
  
• Kamalah Khan (during Civil War II): She's more concerned about her feelings and how everything makes her look. Even when her friend who was trying to stop the group of fascists she joined, ended up in a coma where he will be rendered majorly disabled and have burns on him, she can't stop thinking about herself and trying to impress Captain Marvel.
  
• Black Panther: A black separatist and racist who wants to kick out any non-black people in Brooklyn out of their homes so he can have his racial sanctuary. Also, his country discovered a cure for cancer and refuses to share it with anyone outside his kingdom.
  
• Michael (Star Trek Discovery): Thinks she knows better than everyone else because she went to a special Vulcan college, but as soon as she doesn't know what to do, she runs to her mentor. When her bad idea of shooting a Klingon ship is rejected by her captain, she removes the authority figure in power and takes over and tells everyone it's for their own good.
  
• Silver Scorpion: He refuses to listen to his friend who warns him not to go to the junkyard because of the landmines, obviously he doesn't listen and plays around with a wheelchair, meanly pretending to be a cripple and insulting said friend; accidentally activates a landmine that takes out his legs and kills his friend, bitches about his problems more and doesn't seem to care that his friend is gone, is an asshole all around and would rather blame anyone else for his friend's death than himself. Hopefully, the rest of the comic will have the title character grow-up and learn something so there's hope for him. (Jump to 4:30)

 

[breadandcircuses]

Don't even get me started on Discovery.

Super Special PoC human does a nerve pinch.

Also Sarak, who ignored his son because he hated the nascent humanity with in him... Ugh.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Yes, but Hudlin was the anti Christopher Priest.

I don't mind Wakanda being an advanced African nation without any interference from the colonial powers, but on the other hand... I don't want bad writing either, or shit that doesn't make sense.

I know during Priest's run, Wakanda was advanced, but not unrealistically, and T'challa still had to do with the fact that most of the Wakandan tribes HATED each other.

But now, now being King of Wakanda (or emperor of a galaxy spanning empire) is so important, that T'challa can be a celebrity in New York.

This is We Wuz Kangs level of terrible.

Kamalah Khan (during Civil War II): She's more concerned about her feelings and how everything makes her look. Even when her friend who was trying to stop the group of fascists she joined, ended up in a coma where he will be rendered majorly disabled and have burns on him, she can't stop thinking about herself and trying to impress Captain Marvel.

Kamala during that event doesn't hold a candle to how she's written by Waid in Champions. She's the leader because she's the angriest about enforcing Social Justice and has darkest skin among the team in a way that looks completely alien if you only read her solo book. They should've kept her as the awkward fangirl with shapeshifting powers that operates slightly outside the radar of most supers instead of forcing her into the spotlight on 4 different teams written by people with more political hang-ups than her creator.

 

[Hummingbird]

Kamala during that event doesn't hold a candle to how she's written by Waid in Champions. She's the leader because she's the angriest about enforcing Social Justice and has darkest skin among the team in a way that looks completely alien if you only read her solo book. They should've kept her as the awkward fangirl with shapeshifting powers that operates slightly outside the radar of most supers instead of forcing her into the spotlight on 4 different teams written by people with more political hang-ups than her creator.

She's just not ready to be on an A-list team like the Avengers and it would've been more realistic if she tried out, failed the tests and have them assure her that even though she has potential in the future, she's not ready (and assure her it's not her race or religion). I could see her on a minor team of peers with an adult watching over them, though.

 

[GabeRegan]

It's really funny that Waid put three kids on his Avengers team, since the team historically has been against having underage members of the team. I think Champions would have been a much better book if the premise was about a former teen hero like Justice, Firestar, or even Wiccan and Hulkling, mentoring a team of young heroes.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I might be forgetting something but besides the ANAD team, I think the only time the Avengers went for underage members was that time they tried to recruit Spider-Man early on by getting him to find the Hulk for them (making Pete think they're wackjobs who'd ruin his life) and the Young Avengers getting promoted to (honorary) Avengers at the end of Children's Crusade. Maybe the Young Avengers in general since their gimmick was they were picked as a legitimate successor to the team in case things went south but they were supposed to train until adulthood and the "New" Avengers didn't approve of the idea of kids fighting in their place. That depends on who you think has the authority there.

 

[Water-T]

I think the only time the Avengers went for underage members was that time they tried to recruit Spider-Man early on by getting him to find the Hulk for them

I think the Avengers weren't aware that he was 15/16 at the time (most people had no idea), and by the time he got honorary/reserve status, he was already an adult. When Pete became a full time member, he was already married to MJ for a few years.

I recall that Rage and Darkhawk were given memberships, but were kicked out once it was discovered that they were minors. Marvel Boy tried out, but was told to come back in a few years (which he did as Justice, after a long stint with the New Warriors)

 

[GabeRegan]

Thanks for reminding me about Rage, he was the one I was thinking about earlier but couldn't remember. Yeah he had a power that let him look older than he really was. He was one of three probationary members recruited at the same time and was going to be made a full Avenger until the team discovered he was really a teenager. Notably, he had actually impressed Captain America enough that he offered to give him full membership once he became 18. I think he ended up with the New Warriors for a bit then the writers forgot about him.

 

[Hummingbird]

Thanks for reminding me about Rage, he was the one I was thinking about earlier but couldn't remember. Yeah he had a power that let him look older than he really was. He was one of three probationary members recruited at the same time and was going to be made a full Avenger until the team discovered he was really a teenager. Notably, he had actually impressed Captain America enough that he offered to give him full membership once he became 18. I think he ended up with the New Warriors for a bit then the writers forgot about him.

You're right, he was in the New Warriors and forgotten afterwards.

 

[GabeRegan]

Shame really, from what I remember about his time with the Avengers he wasn't a bad character and if they had kept him around he could have filled a role similar to Luke Cage when he first joined the team. Unfortunately, Marvel seems to hate anyone ever affiliated with the New Warriors and either forgets they exist or have horrible things happen to them.

 

[Done]

I've checked out his channel, and he's not so much "alt-right" as he is "anti-stingy jew". He mostly points out how Marvel is circling the toilet bowl by pandering to rainbow haired land whales that don't actually buy comics.

He recently discovered that there is a private Facebook group of some stingy jew comic book writers/artists/editors that plan to target him at a comic con that D&C plans to attend (he showed some of the screen shots as proof), with some of them claiming they will harass him in hopes of goading him into a fight so they have an excuse to kick him out.

Apparently, it was discovered that 2 Bleeding Cool reporters colluded to de-platform D&C from Patreon & YouTube. The video is here below:

It's funny that a guy roasting comics from home or during work is enough to get those idiots quaking in their boots. Personally I've been off Big-2 comics for a while now.. But whenever I'd take a peek here & there it seems to me that Marvel is hot garbage right now for many reasons. Is it really that hard to make art for your audience?

 

[Water-T]

It's funny that a guy roasting comics from home or during work is enough to get those idiots quaking in their boots. Personally I've been off Big-2 comics for a while now.. But whenever I'd take a peek here & there it seems to me that Marvel is hot garbage right now for many reasons. Is it really that hard to make art for your audience?

I've been checking out DC since Rebirth, and they've really been knocking it out of the park. Green Lanterns, Justice League of America, The Flash, Titans, Teen Titans...it's all been fucking amazing. The best part is that DC has diverse casts too (the main characters in Green Lanterns are a Hispanic woman and a dark skinned Muslim man), but they don't shove it down your throat like Marvel does.