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[Humble Architect]

Find a way to work in his original role in the JLI as a spy and I could see Waller using her ace to infiltrate the Authority as a double agent only it goes horribly wrong when he starts enjoying working without the government calling the shots (it’s his midlife crisis), just like Armageddon he starts up an affair with the Engineer, for the first time he’s finally enjoying using his powers to what he wants.

It’s only when his daughter dies that Nathaniel goes nuts, starts alpha-dogging the Authority and starts forcing Sparks out, kinda like how the team became more brutal after Jack took over and has a mini-war within the team as they cave in on themselves.

Team Atom wins (Team Jenny has to go to the League for help) he has the Shaman, Engineer and Jack on his side. Shaman amplifies Nathaniel’s mind tenfold and with a combination of his powers, the carrier and the Engineer, the Monarch suit is forged.

Atom’s Authority are high on their own supply but don’t care, he’s gonna “right every wrong”

Big event happens and he’s stopped by his recreated wife telling him to let go, Nathaniel breaks down and starts undoing his “alterations”, imprisons the Authority, doxxes Waller and publishes his entire story of his mistreatment by the US government and confirms the Superman Theory.

Gets pardoned and joins the Justice Society, later marries Plastique (it’s weird but it works this time because the old boy needs a W)

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

Oh damn a comics thread? Anyone read the latest dredd story, it had weird political themes but I think it was good overall

You mean the one where the lady complains about the way things work and while she hasn't committed a crime, they pretty much exile her but not to the desert?

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

@Alexander Thaut oh fuck they made Tim bi? Whyyyy

Also you mentioned his solo series was that the one where his high school gets attacked or whatever? I can't remember if it was the same time Circe took over the city.
I'm also reading she appears in the WWJLD series. Sounds fun

 

[Tor Lugosi]

@Alexander Thaut oh fuck they made Tim bi? Whyyyy

They did that like a year or two ago and it's poisoned every other adaption of Tim, now making him the 'gay' Robin (yes, gayer than usual for the Robins). All because the retarded hack writer Tyrion IV is himself bisexual and like all hack writers he needed the character he was writing to be just like him.

Tim and Stephanie's relationships was one of my favorites in comics, now it doesn't really exist because every writer writes Tim as gay. I'm surprised they haven't made Steph a lesbian to pair her up with Cassie Cain.

 

[Humble Architect]

They did that like a year or two ago and it's poisoned every other adaption of Tim, now making him the 'gay' Robin (yes, gayer than usual for the Robins). All because the retarded hack writer Tyrion IV is himself bisexual and like all hack writers he needed the character he was writing to be just like him.

Tim and Stephanie's relationships was one of my favorites in comics, now it doesn't really exist because every writer writes Tim as gay. I'm surprised they haven't made Steph a lesbian to pair her up with Cassie Cain.

Everyone shits on Superman writers (rightfully so) but holy fuck Tynion is a useless retard, didn’t he make everyone bi (no such thing as bisexuality) across the board?

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Find a way to work in his original role in the JLI as a spy and I could see Waller using her ace to infiltrate the Authority as a double agent only it goes horribly wrong when he starts enjoying working without the government calling the shots (it’s his midlife crisis), just like Armageddon he starts up an affair with the Engineer, for the first time he’s finally enjoying using his powers to what he wants.

It’s only when his daughter dies that Nathaniel goes nuts, starts alpha-dogging the Authority and starts forcing Sparks out, kinda like how the team became more brutal after Jack took over and has a mini-war within the team as they cave in on themselves.

Team Atom wins (Team Jenny has to go to the League for help) he has the Shaman, Engineer and Jack on his side. Shaman amplifies Nathaniel’s mind tenfold and with a combination of his powers, the carrier and the Engineer, the Monarch suit is forged.

Atom’s Authority are high on their own supply but don’t care, he’s gonna “right every wrong”

Big event happens and he’s stopped by his recreated wife telling him to let go, Nathaniel breaks down and starts undoing his “alterations”, imprisons the Authority, doxxes Waller and publishes his entire story of his mistreatment by the US government and confirms the Superman Theory.

Gets pardoned and joins the Justice Society, later marries Plastique (it’s weird but it works this time because the old boy needs a W)

Atom's involvement implied that Eiling wanted him as the inside man. It's not a big stretch. Atom keeps trying to be the man he wants to be, until he breaks down. Waller's attempt at making a multiversal watchmen group gets fucked as Atom takes control of all the resources.

A lot of Waller's stuff in the '00s was just a spiral into really bad decisions. I'd like to see a properly written Salvation Run story.

@Alexander Thaut oh fuck they made Tim bi? Whyyyy

Also you mentioned his solo series was that the one where his high school gets attacked or whatever? I can't remember if it was the same time Circe took over the city.
I'm also reading she appears in the WWJLD series. Sounds fun

it was during War Games in the early 00s.

They did that like a year or two ago and it's poisoned every other adaption of Tim, now making him the 'gay' Robin (yes, gayer than usual for the Robins). All because the retarded hack writer Tyrion IV is himself bisexual and like all hack writers he needed the character he was writing to be just like him.

Tim and Stephanie's relationships was one of my favorites in comics, now it doesn't really exist because every writer writes Tim as gay. I'm surprised they haven't made Steph a lesbian to pair her up with Cassie Cain.

Making Tim bi just doesn't work as well because he's usually the robin that's precoccupied with mysteries and creating shit.

Unless Tynion did it because he sees himself in Tim because Tim's allegedly more intelligent than Bruce, a really gay way of going "he's just like me fr fr".

If they wanted a gay Bat-family member, Signal was right there. Or Batwing.

Honestly I can see a future writer just having Tim go back to Stephanie and attempt a marriage. It all gets explained as Tim being curious.

just make Signal gay. I guarantee that nobody cares about that because the character's still half-baked. A good writer could pull it off if they wanted.

 

[Midwit]

Signal was right there

Who the fuck is Signal?

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

So oddly enough I can see Jason Todd being bisexual. But more specifically in the 'its not about sex its about power and control' type way. Not this suddenly sexuality they give established characters.

I do think bi stuff works for Catman. For some odd reason it just works. Especially because it doesn't completely define him as a character. Same with Selina Kyle and John Constantine. Wonder Woman as well.

However the suddenly sexuality of Tim Drake, Superman, Iceman, Pyro, and Aquanigga is totally trite shit. Pandering. Pointless. Unnecessary. Cause now that's all they're about (I wasn't aware of Tim until now. I'd have to look into it) and its stale.

War Games was traumatizing to read as a teenager. It was bad enough seeing Steph die, but also Leslie Tompkins refusing to save her is just baffling. Black Mask scared the shit out of me. Its crazier when he was in Catwoman with the blonde villainess Sylvia. The death of Stephanie, did they ever say why it happened? Cause wasn't she training to be a new Robin and then they just completely killed her off? Editorials mandate? Pissed off writer?

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Who the fuck is Signal?

new sidekick introduced a few years back, they kinda just didn't do much with him aside from his "I'm not gonna be a Robin" schtick. He's almost a blank slate.

So oddly enough I can see Jason Todd being bisexual. But more specifically in the 'its not about sex its about power and control' type way. Not this suddenly sexuality they give established characters.

Jason died, came back mentally fucked, and then proceeded to have his own team in the Outlaws. Isn't it a modern trope that the more rogue-ish types may be more likely to be bisexual?

I do think bi stuff works for Catman. For some odd reason it just works. Especially because it doesn't completely define him as a character. Same with Selina Kyle and John Constantine. Wonder Woman as well.

Catwoman, the modern iteration, seems to have been brought up in the slums and is either confirmed or heavily implied to have been a prostitute at one point.

John Constantine's the type who just doesn't talk about this stuff when in team ups. His one big mention in the DC media was a sorta jokey thing about dating King Shark.
The N52 stuff with him, Zatanna, and the Nick Necro character just seemed to be a way to have a love triangle lead to disaster, when it was also showing John clearly saving Zatanna and dooming Nick Necro. I can buy John being bisexual, but the man is established as a trickster.

Wondy sorta makes sense. Island full of women.

However the suddenly sexuality of Tim Drake, Superman, Iceman, Pyro, and Aquanigga is totally trite shit. Pandering. Pointless. Unnecessary. Cause now that's all they're about (I wasn't aware of Tim until now. I'd have to look into it) and its stale.

Pyro? The X-Men villain? Noone cares. Iceman could have been reworked into bisexuality eventually, but the way they went about it was very creepy.

Tim Drake and Jon Kent's turn into faggotry was just done out of writer ego. They even aged up Jon in order to do it, like the fuck.

War Games was traumatizing to read as a teenager. It was bad enough seeing Steph die, but also Leslie Tompkins refusing to save her is just baffling. Black Mask scared the shit out of me. Its crazier when he was in Catwoman with the blonde villainess Sylvia. The death of Stephanie, did they ever say why it happened? Cause wasn't she training to be a new Robin and then they just completely killed her off? Editorials mandate? Pissed off writer?

Stephanie's death was probably intended to be a big turning point for Tim. I'd imagine that the writer may have intended for Tim to get closer to his Dad as he'd revealed everything to him right before War Games.

However, Identity Crisis had to be a thing and suddenly Tim looses his dad, his girlfriend, AND another friend or two. Seriously.

Identity Crisis should have kept the deaths to the League and their villains. Killing Firestorm? Sure, he wasn't being used and his big Ostrander run put a decent cap on him. The guy was pretty much a guest star through the '90s. Maybe it shoulda been given a bit more of a respectful death, but hey.
Killing Sue Dibny as the big murder mystery? That's fine. Sure, it's a little dark, but it's a fair enough mystery. Maybe they shoulda mentioned somewhere that Atom's size-changing tech can't be traced by fucking Mother Boxes unless they specifically tune for it. You're telling me the magical supertech sentient computer of the new gods couldn't find anything?

Captain Boomerang dying? I'll buy it. Hell, I'll even buy the Deathstroke fanboying bullshit. Dr. Light being a rapey creep that got lobotomized? The League mind-wiping people unsuccessfully? Sure, I can buy all this.

But, come on, killing Jack Drake was just not needed. Sure, it really drove home the point that Jean Loring was very mentally gone because she orphaned a child, but this was a League-centric story. It would have been a far better idea to try this on someone related to the League or one of the relevant active heroes of the bronze age. You could have had the choice to literally do anything and you just turn Tim into another fucking orphaned robin. Like, you had the choice to do something to spice up the DCU and you chose to do something that'd been explored with Bruce, Dick, and Jason in the bat-sphere.

Identity Crisis is something I can almost tolerate. It needed to be its own large sprawling thing with coordinated writers. Too much shit gets revealed and it all leads into Infinite Crisis.

also, rip Ralph and Sue. I loved them in the JLI/JLE era, Starman, and whatnot. Identity Crisis just felt kinda ostentatious.

 

[Humble Architect]

So oddly enough I can see Jason Todd being bisexual. But more specifically in the 'its not about sex its about power and control' type way. Not this suddenly sexuality they give established characters.

I do think bi stuff works for Catman. For some odd reason it just works. Especially because it doesn't completely define him as a character. Same with Selina Kyle and John Constantine. Wonder Woman as well.

I always got the vibe that Wondy was a lesbian…….. until man’s world became a thing in her life, the situational sexuality thing.

Bisexuality isn’t real, these faggot writers are just furthering the lie.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I always got the vibe that Wondy was a lesbian…….. until man’s world became a thing in her life, the situational sexuality thing.

Bisexuality isn’t real, these faggot writers are just furthering the lie.

eh they honestly focus on her being a workaholic that has romances with either Steve Trevor, Batman, Superman, Nemesis, and a few others.

I can't wait for the end of the woke era.

 

[Humble Architect]

eh they honestly focus on her being a workaholic that has romances with either Steve Trevor, Batman, Superman, Nemesis, and a few others.

I can't wait for the end of the woke era.

I get a kick out of spastic “comic fans” who still have the gall to mock the 90s when comics are in a far worse hell.

You know the types, the Linkaras of the world, the types who can read Neil Gayman stuff and not think “This is for faggots.”

This on the other hand, is unapologetically masculine, this is comic artists and writers knowing exactly who buys these things.

 

[Arcade Gannon]

It was bad enough seeing Steph die, but also Leslie Tompkins refusing to save her is just baffling. Black Mask scared the shit out of me. Its crazier when he was in Catwoman with the blonde villainess Sylvia. The death of Stephanie, did they ever say why it happened? Cause wasn't she training to be a new Robin and then they just completely killed her off?

Eh, they brought her back to life a few years later. Nobody stays dead in comics.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I get a kick out of spastic “comic fans” who still have the gall to mock the 90s when comics are in a far worse hell.

You know the types, the Linkaras of the world, the types who can read Neil Gayman stuff and not think “This is for faggots.”
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This on the other hand, is unapologetically masculine, this is comic artists and writers knowing exactly who buys these things.

Linkara is a very surface level "critic". Great when you're 9 years old. But fails to understand that not all entertainment is meant to be something ascendant, and that not everything that they consider to be ascendant is something to stand the test of time. I don't particularly like all of Gaiman and Alan Moore and Frank Miller's work, but there's a good reason Sandman, Watchmen, and DKR have kinda stood the test of time as being the first wave of comics that got labeled as more serious literature.

Okay, I'm not a Gaiman fan. I read the Sandman stuff and thought it was interesting, but all it kinda did to me was try to show the inhumanity and humanity in these godlike beings. The one Sandman tale I liked from Gaiman's run was the fucking Wesley Dodds Sandman story because I'm a fucking JSA fan.

Eh, they brought her back to life a few years later. Nobody stays dead in comics.

the only ones who stay dead are the Waynes and Uncle Ben.

and even then, we had alternate universe versions pop up for a while.

Okay we also have Peter Parker's parents. . . . who have stayed dead.

Who's prominently dead and has stayed dead?

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Lol when I think of doctor light I think of his daughter Kimiko (?). Afaik she condemned his actions in IC. Though if I remember she didn't even show up during the event which was rather odd.
Edit: shes not related in that continuity whoops

Spoiler: Pyro/Bobby scene from X-Men Gold

Budget Pyro had a fling with Bobby. Yes there was another Pyro. I would assume John Allerdyce would have been resurrected due to Moira and Krakoa at some point. I should google to see if he's back. I remember his death from the legacy virus was traumatizing for little me. But then I always thought the virus was a way for them to cut down on the already large cast.

 

[Registration]

Just found out that they are going to adapt Watchmen to a cartoon.

Niggers, there is already a motion comic, what the fucking else do you need a movie for.

 

[Bolo_the_Second]

the only ones who stay dead are the Waynes and Uncle Ben.

and even then, we had alternate universe versions pop up for a while.

Okay we also have Peter Parker's parents. . . . who have stayed dead.

Who's prominently dead and has stayed dead?

Well, Gwen Stacy and her Dad stayed dead. Every now and then they get a Gwen Stacy clone or a multiverse Spider-Gwen bullshit, but the original is still dead.

Of course they do some of the worst retcons ever seen on the medium using Gwen Stacy, but it ain't like she comes back.

And there are plenty of minor characters and heros and such that stay dead, or more appropriately, forgoten.

Rule of thumb is, if you can stamp said character in any license product, he ain't gonna go away, ever.

Not be cynical, but cape comics were never about the story, they are franchises made to sell license rights, and no, this ain't a "Disney" thing, there are interviews with comic publishers back in the 80's saying that the real money in comics comes from selling Spider-man socks.

Not saying capeshit comics can't be entretaining, or even have some good stories, but whatever "artistic" endeavor said stories might have, they come way, way behind the profit motive, and that is IP farm for license products.

It is what it is.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Well, Gwen Stacy and her Dad stayed dead. Every now and then they get a Gwen Stacy clone or a multiverse Spider-Gwen bullshit, but the original is still dead.

Of course they do some of the worst retcons ever seen on the medium using Gwen Stacy, but it ain't like she comes back.

And there are plenty of minor characters and heros and such that stay dead, or more appropriately, forgoten.

Rule of thumb is, if you can stamp said character in any license product, he ain't gonna go away, ever.

Not be cynical, but cape comics were never about the story, they are franchises made to sell license rights, and no, this ain't a "Disney" thing, there are interviews with comic publishers back in the 80's saying that the real money in comics comes from selling Spider-man socks.

Not saying capeshit comics can't be entretaining, or even have some good stories, but whatever "artistic" endeavor said stories might have, they come way, way behind the profit motive, and that is IP farm for license products.

It is what it is.

well, yeah. I find it funny when Didio made the JSA go away because I was like, you motherfuckers spent almost a decade getting them to some level of relevance.

Then Didio also shitcanned the Titans history too. N52 was such a damned mess. It didn't feel like the DC version of the Ultimate imprint, but more of DC trying to stop and only shill the core JLA characters.

Wasted so much time for nothing tbh.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

For every Black Label book that's fun (rogues), there's something that rapes stuff I loved as a kid (Waller vs Wildstorm). It is what it is, toobz.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

You know the types, the Linkaras of the world, the types who can read Neil Gayman stuff and not think “This is for faggots.”

Zack said once on a community post, I forgot which but I think it was a review of Hitman by Garth Ennis, he said "the edgelord ending is from a time when talking about your feelings was edgy and not cringe like it is now". I really dont understand especially in an action comic how talking about your feelings is edgy, like ever. This is not porn or slice of life, how is talking about feelings even remotely interesting if not edgy? Especially how in the fuck did the dark and edgy 90s consider faggotry to be good storytelling, who the fuck was incharge of that.