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jspit2.0 said:
No, I did not.



They wanted Kyle and Conner Hawke to be bi or curious and Dixon told them no.

I'm genuinely curious. Does anyone know what if any endgame Hickman had with his X-shit?



If I did, I'd like it to read less like a paranoid schizophrenic taking ecstasy and more like the work of historical fiction it claims to be.
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Confusing Kyle with Tim Drake. Kyle's always been straight as, stated above, it was him fucking Donna Troy that got him over the big hump of how they did Hal Jordan super dirty to install Kyle as GL and another editor having a huge boner for Kyle/Jade due to him being a big Jade stan....

As for Hickman, it leaked a while back what Hickman's endgame was and it's pretty shitty all things considered as far as us dodging a bullet.

The wheels for what Hickman was planning started coming off during the infamous "Giant Size Mini-Series" arc; the original plan was that after the Otherworld crossover, Storm and Black Panther would reconcile off-panel and have make-up sex. The big reveal in the Jean/Emma GS special was supposed to be Storm being pregnant not poisoned.

The Giant Size arc was supposed to involve a plot by various factions in Wakanda that wanted Storm and her baby dead since they wanted no alliance between Wakanda and Krakoa. In the end, Storm would be taken into the Weapon Plus Project's "World", where time moves fast and give birth there and be forced to warehouse the kid there to keep him safe.

This got shut down hard by the Black Panther creative team, since A. Black Panther was 100% absent from this arc and B. they were pissed at the idea of the X-Men giving BP a kid AND the implications of the kid being out of wedlock born and BP not raising him. So we got a poisoning arc with a TON of filler not related to the story, though the poisoning arc does have some importance down the line with Sins of Sinister, where Storm refusing a quick death/resurrection as the "cure" for her poisoning means she never got brought back in a potentially tainted Sinister clone body.

Further elements of Hickman's endgame were included in Dea/Life of Wolverine and Sins of Sinister. The whole "Sinister put in a failsafe to kill everyone resurrected" thing was supposed to be revealed in Hickman's original version of Inferno. Mystique would find out about it and threaten to perma-kill everyone by causing them to explode into flames (hence Inferno) if Xavier/Magneto/Moira didn't bring Destiny back and failed. Mystique would permanently die and Destiny never coming back. The X-Men would then put Sinister in the pit and resurrection would be in jeopardy and IIRC the Colossus/Rasputin storyline would have played into this (hence the big plot point of Colossus joining the Quiet Council as he would tell Rasputin about the kill switch for everyone resurrected).

Adding to that, the fall of Krakoa would have ended differently: Orchis would flip one of the Nasty Boys into poisoning Jean in a way that causes her to die and create a psychic backlash with her death that kills nearly everyone on the island and cripples the remaining telepaths that survived the psychic shockwave. Orchis attacks the island, destroys every backup save for the Cerebro Sword backup, which Moira (still good in Hickman's original plan) uses to mercy kill a dying Xavier and runs off with it; which makes her most wanted as she's the only one that can bring everyone back. And that the rest of the space community would turn on Krakoa when Agent Brand's big schemes get exposed, leaving the X-Men to have to rely on the rest of the super-hero community for sanctuary.

Krakoa's fall would lead to the Children of the Vault as the second to last big bad, forcing an alliance between the super heroes, mutants, and Orchis of all things. The CotV would be defeated but then Omega Sentinel brings the Phalanx Dominion from Power of X to Earth to conquer it, having betrayed Orchis. With everyone still reeling from the CotV fight, Storm would remember her kid and get him out of the World now fully grown and use him as a means to get the Wakanda Space Empire on the mutant side as he becomes the ruler of the solar system once Wakanda bails mutantkind's asses out against the Phalanx.
 
Georgio Cocklord said:
Given Alan moore I would say it was intentional and wasn't a retcon
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I don't think it was Moore's doing. The quote from The Guardian that shits up adorns the cover of the Omnibus Edition is something a publisher would do to try to gin up new interest and sales, and many brick and mortar book retailers are placing the graphic novel in with the LGBPedo literature.

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I'm shocked Rebellion hasn't tried to do a reboot of Halo Jones or even a continuation. Moore's never going to finish the story and Rebellion won't give into Moore's demand that made him ragequit the series (he demanded then-owners of 2000AD give him full ownership of the character even though Halo Jones was EXPLICITLY made under work for hire rules that Moore was 100% aware of as far as him trying to bully the publisher while at the height of his American popularity and power in the industry in the mid-80s).

Closest we've gotten to new content was a series of one-off pin-ups that were commissioned as filler in the early 90s.
 
Hembruh said:
speaking of green lanterns a couple years ago there was some weird thing I heard where they did some sort of celebrating Mexicans at dc or something and I heard Kyle Rayner was involved. I haven't read Green Lantern vol 3 in like 15 years but has he always been Mexican? I thought he was Asian all these years. Wasn't he like a mangaka or something back in the day? why and how would a beaner be making comics for the japs? and I didn't care when earth 2 came out Alan Scott was gay because I admittedly have never been a JSA guy but I was reading some crossover from the last couple years recently and has his son always been a fag too? that was weirder to me than anything else like they're both homos? what the fuck.
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So it's been a long time since I read this shit but here's what I remember:

Judd Winnick, riding on his fame from being on the Real World, came to DC to write comics. Some was serviceable, some were shit, but he put his own spin on the characters that he could. There was a dude he knew, Pedro, who I think was also on The Real World, who had AIDS. To honor his friend, Judd changed some characters to have those characteristics. Kyle became half Mexican, and so did a couple of other characters though I can't remember who, and he had the female Speedy get AIDS. And maybe someone else got AIDS too. It's getting close to 20 years since he did that shit so I'm having a hard time remembering.

Jesus, I've been reading dumb funny books for over twenty-five years now. How much worthless knowledge is in my brain?
 
Iron Jaguar said:
I don't think it was Moore's doing. The quote from The Guardian that shits up adorns the cover of the Omnibus Edition is something a publisher would do to try to gin up new interest and sales, and many brick and mortar book retailers are placing the graphic novel in with the LGBPedo literature.

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This is the Alan Moore you talking about? The guy who did this in 1988, just around 4-6 years after Halo Jones? Literal Tranny Angels fucking in 19fucking88?
MirrorNoir said:
I'm shocked Rebellion hasn't tried to do a reboot of Halo Jones or even a continuation. Moore's never going to finish the story and Rebellion won't give into Moore's demand that made him ragequit the series (he demanded then-owners of 2000AD give him full ownership of the character even though Halo Jones was EXPLICITLY made under work for hire rules that Moore was 100% aware of as far as him trying to bully the publisher while at the height of his American popularity and power in the industry in the mid-80s).

Closest we've gotten to new content was a series of one-off pin-ups that were commissioned as filler in the early 90s.
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2000AD never went mainstream, the most mainstream it went was with Judge Dredd and thats excluding the British Invasion and Vertigo which was basically American 2000AD. Rebellion is incentivized to keep selling the same stagnant base and has so far succeeded cause the base is still there unlike americans whose bases start to dwindle if theres stagnation (british customers are a lot different, the bases are very stagnant and will always stay). Moore and to a lesser extent Gaiman act like moneygrubbers, they will not say theyre greedy but being communists they want to own everything they create in its entirety money and all, which is one of the reasons Moore hates DC to the extent that he does cause they didnt ask him permission for Watchmen merchandise. Its a bit like the Robin Williams vs Jeff Katzenberg scandal but Robin seemed like a lot more amicable person and he didnt want people to profit off of Genie, not particularly own it himself. The thing is Moore didnt technically ragequit, he has finished the series in its entirety and its a bunch of scripts sitting somewhere in his cupboard, he has even told Gaiman and Dave McKean the entire story spanning 8 GNs which covers the entirety of Halos life till she dies, like full on narrated. Hes just a pussy.
 
Georgio Cocklord said:
Given Alan moore I would say it was intentional and wasn't a retcon, this man did participate in social movements. It's just that Halo has a little more personality and suffering compared to say promethea. I still feel she's a bit too manly for little to no reason, not in the tomboy way but like a modern Mary Sue especially towards the end where she essentially manipulates the orc guy.
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Promethea is an abomination. It's unforgivable the insanely talented artists he wasted on ABC. Second to only Brian Bendis marvel circa the 00s in sheer waste.

@MirrorNoir the quote button for goodness sakes is not working yet again.

Confusing Kyle with Tim Drake.
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No, this is back during the 90s. Ron Marz and Dixon did these crossovers and an editor wanted Conner Hawke to have a bi kiss thing with him, from what I'm remembering, during the Hard Traveling heroes. Dixon stamped on it and it didn't happen, thank God.

Kyle's always been straight as, stated above, it was him fucking Donna Troy that got him over the big hump of how they did Hal Jordan super dirty to install Kyle as GL and another editor having a huge boner for Kyle/Jade due to him being a big Jade stan....
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Yeah, Kyle was a male Gary Stu. He didn't just have to be the only GL, but the greatest. It's hilarious how they later tried to massage that and failed.

As for Hickman, it leaked a while back what Hickman's endgame was and it's pretty shitty all things considered as far as us dodging a bullet.
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Thanks. I don't know about a bullet considering, but I'm not invested enough to look this up.

The wheels for what Hickman was planning started coming off during the infamous "Giant Size Mini-Series" arc; the original plan was that after the Otherworld crossover, Storm and Black Panther would reconcile off-panel and have make-up sex. The big reveal in the Jean/Emma GS special was supposed to be Storm being pregnant not poisoned.

The Giant Size arc was supposed to involve a plot by various factions in Wakanda that wanted Storm and her baby dead since they wanted no alliance between Wakanda and Krakoa. In the end, Storm would be taken into the Weapon Plus Project's "World", where time moves fast and give birth there and be forced to warehouse the kid there to keep him safe.

This got shut down hard by the Black Panther creative team, since A. Black Panther was 100% absent from this arc and B. they were pissed at the idea of the X-Men giving BP a kid AND the implications of the kid being out of wedlock born and BP not raising him. So we got a poisoning arc with a TON of filler not related to the story, though the poisoning arc does have some importance down the line with Sins of Sinister, where Storm refusing a quick death/resurrection as the "cure" for her poisoning means she never got brought back in a potentially tainted Sinister clone body.

Further elements of Hickman's endgame were included in Dea/Life of Wolverine and Sins of Sinister. The whole "Sinister put in a failsafe to kill everyone resurrected" thing was supposed to be revealed in Hickman's original version of Inferno. Mystique would find out about it and threaten to perma-kill everyone by causing them to explode into flames (hence Inferno) if Xavier/Magneto/Moira didn't bring Destiny back and failed. Mystique would permanently die and Destiny never coming back. The X-Men would then put Sinister in the pit and resurrection would be in jeopardy and IIRC the Colossus/Rasputin storyline would have played into this (hence the big plot point of Colossus joining the Quiet Council as he would tell Rasputin about the kill switch for everyone resurrected).

Adding to that, the fall of Krakoa would have ended differently: Orchis would flip one of the Nasty Boys into poisoning Jean in a way that causes her to die and create a psychic backlash with her death that kills nearly everyone on the island and cripples the remaining telepaths that survived the psychic shockwave. Orchis attacks the island, destroys every backup save for the Cerebro Sword backup, which Moira (still good in Hickman's original plan) uses to mercy kill a dying Xavier and runs off with it; which makes her most wanted as she's the only one that can bring everyone back. And that the rest of the space community would turn on Krakoa when Agent Brand's big schemes get exposed, leaving the X-Men to have to rely on the rest of the super-hero community for sanctuary.

Krakoa's fall would lead to the Children of the Vault as the second to last big bad, forcing an alliance between the super heroes, mutants, and Orchis of all things. The CotV would be defeated but then Omega Sentinel brings the Phalanx Dominion from Power of X to Earth to conquer it, having betrayed Orchis. With everyone still reeling from the CotV fight, Storm would remember her kid and get him out of the World now fully grown and use him as a means to get the Wakanda Space Empire on the mutant side as he becomes the ruler of the solar system once Wakanda bails mutantkind's asses out against the Phalanx.
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I have no words. How is this worse than the nothing that was Secret Wars? Also, space Wakanda is universe breaking and dumb and you cannot convince me otherwise.
 
It appears DC is trying to jew Aaron "Machine Man" Stack away from Marvel.

WB owns 2001 A Space Odyssey > Machine Man debuted in Kirby's 2001 A Space Odyssey comic > Technically WB and therefore DC owns Machine Man, and they've just informed Marvel of it.


RIP NEXTWAVE. Not that they'd ever make another, or if they did, not that it'd be any good.
 
Nextwave two doesn't need to happen, the first one works as a standalone. Though it is funny that it's taken about 50 years for DC to try and go for the character.

Speaking of Warren Ellis, what's everyone's fave series from him? Personally I'm a Transmetropolitan guy myself.
 
Just watched Null's review of ISOM #1.

Is it just me or most of the comic looks like it was made by posing 3d models and tracing over screenshots of them? The characters especially, it's very uncanny valley-ish.
 
Mr.F said:
Just watched Null's review of ISOM #1.

Is it just me or most of the comic looks like it was made by posing 3d models and tracing over screenshots of them? The characters especially, it's very uncanny valley-ish.
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Isoms art isn't great, it's a lighting and coloring issue plaguing all of media where people think more granular gradients look better. In anime it manifests as post processing effects, in cartoons it manifests as 3d animation with lighting issues or calarts junk, in comics it manifests as "hyperrealistic" coloring and in video games it manifests as "muh resolution and textures". I think Isom in particular is trying to imitate the ultimates and Grimm fairy tales coloring but overdoes it with the gradients and ends up looking artificial. It's a push for realism like everywhere else, people should've just stopped with 2000s era lighting and coloring across the board, I still think that's pretty much the best. Personally the colorist who works with Darick Robertson is probably the best in comics, Daricks thick line art combined with bright coloring focused on saturation more than gradients makes all of his art look great and age well.
 
Mr.F said:
Just watched Null's review of ISOM #1.

Is it just me or most of the comic looks like it was made by posing 3d models and tracing over screenshots of them? The characters especially, it's very uncanny valley-ish.
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Yeah a couple of people have accused it of using Sketchup, though Eric has always denied it.

I've always hated when artists start tracing. Tony Harris used to take reference photos for his artwork, which is why Starman and Ex Machina have protagonists who look identical, but he didn't trace them until near the end of Ex Machina, and some of his later works, where he admitted he does now trace. Referenced artwork can be good but traced always looks like shit.
 
On that note:
Fuck Deodato
Fuck Larroca
and of course
Fuck Land

They all used to be decent at one point, then they just started tracing photos, 3D models, or porn, and ruining everything they touch.
 
This technically belongs in the rip thread but apparently Ian Gibson died. I liked him, this sucks. Kevin O Neill and Alan Grant are also dead so its come to the point where the British Invasion people are dying now.
 
To divert for a second:

Has anyone else read this?
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Feels like the most worthless waste of art I've ever touched in my life, the story is shit, the characters are aimless retards with random power boosts and the antagonists are beyond irrelevant - the art is gold though.

Imagine a literal God of Chaos and Insanity, and you can literally just say, "No, I'm out" and run away, or just pull some magic out of your ass and kill them, and it has 3 issues that have the SAME TYPE of confrontation - Antagonist shows up, "No, I'm out", repeat until the publisher said you could stop writing and have the M.C. gain enough power trough jihad to be able to kill them.

Any other good examples of God like art and shit stories?
 
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