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Georgio Cocklord said:
Hot take, All star Batman and Robin is a good book, its just not a great book but its very enjoyable in an adolescent edgy way. Jim Lees rare instance of doing all the art instead of just cover work like a lazy faggot adds so much character and everything is stereotypical/over the top which is fun.
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If you read it as a deconstruction on the overly antagonistic, edgy Batman that was all the rage at the time, it's a pretty solid story. Alfred calls out how insane he is, the Justice League think he's a psycho, and he abuses a child to the point of making him crazy too. And then you get to issue nine, the ending where they both hold each other and cry in the rain. I wish we could have seen how it was supposed to end. Unfortunately, Jim was too focused on DC Online and other projects to finish issue 11, and then the promised six issue mini-series never happened because of the New 52. Maybe one day Frank will finish it up. But I won't hold my breath.
MirrorNoir said:
Waid's off the rag (or is it on the rag? I'm robotripping at the moment) again. Calling CGers white supremacists/Nazis and vowing to destroy the entire comic industry rather than allow CG types to have any place in it and the Twitter SJW death kult mob stanning him.

I swear to Christ, Waid really must be pissed that Millar and Liefeld have both openly sided with Comicsgate and given them a second wind.
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I think it's because he knows they're right, but can't admit it at this point. Van Sciever and July are making millions off crowd funding, comic shops are losing sales, the glorious digital age Scott Kurtz insisted was around the corner fifteen years ago still isn't here, and the SJWs who promised to support diverse books are instead watching tiktok videos in a desperate attempt to reclaim their dwindling youth.

He's trying to pretend he was kidding about saying that he'd rather the industry burn than give in, but it was one of the few times he was being honest. Because he has never been able to admit he was wrong.

Shit, maybe I should find an artist and make an anti-left book, it might make some cash for me too.
King Metalia said:
Alan Scott has 2 kids how the fuck could he have any if his wife is transgender?
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Are you saying trans women can't give birth? Jim Sterling, I'm sorry, Stephanie Sterling, told Yahtzee that they were pregnant, so clearly that means that trans women are real women. Because they wouldn't lie, would they?

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Quote systems fucked. So just gonna do this...

ASSBATS is filled with classic references to Eisner and other cartoonists. It's fun on its face because Miller's doing allot of cool stuff with comics in it while not really betraying Batman, at least not the Noir gun toting 1940s rendition that Miller loved. Whether it's the yellow room, Black Canary with the Dynamite, or Superman running over the Atlantic.

As mentioned above a huge problem with it is it's unfinished. Essentially the first act was completed, then Jim Lee ditched it not drawing scripts that Miller wrote.

Alan Scott being forced to be a fag SUCKS. Can we just...have one fucking comic without gay shit? Seriously. Why? Why must there be a gay JSA member during WWII? Three guys landed on the moon, do we have to force John Glenn or Armstrong to be prostate pirates now?

Millar and Liefeld and Waid.

Waid is a charity case. He's never succeeded outside of Marvel and DC on a creator owned indie project. The closest thing was stuff like Irredeemable, which is a superhero book that is bleh. So he needs the woke editors to give him books he's not really qualified for as he doesn't have good ideas anymore.

Millar and Liefeld are also against the wall.

Millar's Netflix deal is closing on a flat note. His 'library' didn't exactly impress. Jupiter's legacy got nuked after one season, I haven't heard anything on SUpercriminals. He has one real Hollywood successful franchise in Kingsmen. Meanwhile, his Marvel work is more or less been done. They 'adapted' Civil War and Logan. Maybe he has a movie of the FF, maybe. Meanwhile, aside from the Authority, he's non-existent at DC by now. So he either needs to back to the mainstream that he left too soon and get some nice royalty's worked out by doing the runs he should have had on Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, what all or he needs to break into crowdfunding as the direct market breaks down.

Rob Liefeld is in a worse spot than Millar. He doesn't own his Image work, or a chunk of it making any monetization off the Extreme catalog difficult or impossible. Deadpool is on its third and probably final movie unless Disney gets desperate. He was more or less in exile with DC during the Didio years after his NU52 year. So Liefeld is in the position of Mark Millar with the added difficulty he doesn't have Millar's financial success in the last ten years. The good news for Rob, is unlike either Mark, he's being honest.
 
Chug Smuckle said:
Seeing as the year is winding down, what good comics came out this year?
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Peacemaker Tries Hard! is pretty great. I enjoyed the new DC Wildcats run, even though it's nearly unrecognizable as something within the DC universe compared to the original runs. Wildcats 3.0 was enjoyable.
 
the thing about mark millar, while I'm not a big fan of most of his stuff outside of the ultimates 1/2, made stupid big money off of his Netflix deals even if nothing worthwhile came from it. he doesnt have to do dick, he just really likes superheroes I think i could almost guarantee you that dude would basically work for free at dc if they offered him free reign of whatever he wanted to do.

all star Batman & robin is a criminally underrated parody where Frank Miller is making fun of people doing shitty riffs on Frank Miller's Batman. it's awesome and I wish it got finished.

speaking of green lanterns a couple years ago there was some weird thing I heard where they did some sort of celebrating Mexicans at dc or something and I heard Kyle Rayner was involved. I haven't read Green Lantern vol 3 in like 15 years but has he always been Mexican? I thought he was Asian all these years. Wasn't he like a mangaka or something back in the day? why and how would a beaner be making comics for the japs? and I didn't care when earth 2 came out Alan Scott was gay because I admittedly have never been a JSA guy but I was reading some crossover from the last couple years recently and has his son always been a fag too? that was weirder to me than anything else like they're both homos? what the fuck.
 
Beast From 20000 Faggums said:
Some lady jerks off the fish monster man?
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Even worse, the fish man fucks her.

Alan Moore is a deranged coomer, and the older I get, the more I realize that Watchmen was just lightning in a bottle.

Outside of the first two volumes of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, the rest of his shit is varying degrees of unreadable.

@Beast From 20000 Faggums - Thanks for reminding me about League. I did enjoy the first two volumes of that series.
 
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ChampFantana said:
Even worse, the fish man fucks her.

Alan Moore is a deranged coomer, and the older I get, the more I realize that Watchmen was just lightning in a bottle. The rest of his shit is various degrees of unreadable.
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Yeah I never much cared for Moore, his writing is.. okay, I really loved his 6-part 1963 series but most of his other stuff is a slog to get through. I actually prefer the movie versions of Watchmen and League of Extraordinary Gentleman to the comics, though that may be partly due to nostalgia. I know they're not masterpieces of cinema by any means, but ai have fun watching them!
 
ChampFantana said:
Even worse, the fish man fucks her.

Alan Moore is a deranged coomer, and the older I get, the more I realize that Watchmen was just lightning in a bottle.

Outside of the first two volumes of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, the rest of his shit is varying degrees of unreadable.

@Beast From 20000 Faggums - Thanks for reminding me about League. I did enjoy the first two volumes of that series.
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Try to get your hand on a copy of Ballad of Halo Jones, its one of his more readable works. Its from before he became a deranged coomer and it has its own issues but isnt too weird. I would recommend Saga of Swamp thing as well cause I like it but its probably just me, it also has incest and plant sex but is somewhat competently written. Its basically the DC version of beauty and the beast, which itself has implied bestiality.
 
ChampFantana said:
Even worse, the fish man fucks her.

Alan Moore is a deranged coomer, and the older I get, the more I realize that Watchmen was just lightning in a bottle.

Outside of the first two volumes of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, the rest of his shit is varying degrees of unreadable.

@Beast From 20000 Faggums - Thanks for reminding me about League. I did enjoy the first two volumes of that series.
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You didn't like from hell?
 
Beast From 20000 Faggums said:
I actually prefer the movie versions of Watchmen and League of Extraordinary Gentleman to the comics
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I don't know that I prefer them but I like the Watchmen & V for Vendetta movies both quite a bit. I don't like the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie though. the from hell movie sucked too. I do kinda wish extraordinary gentlemen got another chance maybe as tv or something.
 
Kyle started out racially ambiguous as far as his first year in existence drawing him as being possibly Asian. But after an artist change, Kyle was now white dude.

As for him being Mexican; Kyle's dad was white passing Hispanic and his mom Irish. Ron Marz explicitly downplayed Kyle's Hispanic side and it wasn't until Judd Winnick came along that he explicitly stated Kyle's dad was Mexican and made a point that Kyle was half-Mex.

But it wasn't until Tom King's overrated as fuck Omega Men that Kyle suddenly became 100% Mexican and a devote Catholic as well (something that none of Kyle's previous writers wrote him as). And since then, SJW writers have explicitly written Kyle as the Spic Lantern; especially since they can't turn him queer since editorial is obsessed with Kyle/Jade from Infinity Inc while at the same time, wanting to keep Donna/Kyle shippers on the hook since if not for Donna, Kyle probably would have been fridged and replaced with John Stewart full-on when the JLA cartoon hit.

Also, X-Men update

Immortal X-Men: The final boss for Krakoa Era X-Men was revealed: Nathan Essex.

Nathan Essex is the big Dominion outside time and space and also the big bad Enigma, who was introduced in Ewing's Defenders mini which retconned a big bad threat out there making the Beyonders piss their pants.

The sinister clones and his wife's clone whole purpose was to try and fail to become a Dominion so he could drain their energy to become one via super computer. Mother Righteous (who we learn is remote controlling a mutant clone of herself) guts Jean in a white blank canvas section of the white room and wrote down in Phoenix force blood she wanted to be a dominion and failed; in the process she also mortally wounded the Phoenix, leaving the X-Men in deeper shit since they don't have the Phoenix to help them now.
 
CowPox said:
You didn't like from hell?
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No, I did not.

MirrorNoir said:
Kyle started out racially ambiguous as far as his first year in existence drawing him as being possibly Asian. But after an artist change, Kyle was now white dude.

As for him being Mexican; Kyle's dad was white passing Hispanic and his mom Irish. Ron Marz explicitly downplayed Kyle's Hispanic side and it wasn't until Judd Winnick came along that he explicitly stated Kyle's dad was Mexican and made a point that Kyle was half-Mex.

But it wasn't until Tom King's overrated as fuck Omega Men that Kyle suddenly became 100% Mexican and a devote Catholic as well (something that none of Kyle's previous writers wrote him as). And since then, SJW writers have explicitly written Kyle as the Spic Lantern; especially since they can't turn him queer since editorial is obsessed with Kyle/Jade from Infinity Inc while at the same time, wanting to keep Donna/Kyle shippers on the hook since if not for Donna, Kyle probably would have been fridged and replaced with John Stewart full-on when the JLA cartoon hit.

Also, X-Men update

Immortal X-Men: The final boss for Krakoa Era X-Men was revealed: Nathan Essex.

Nathan Essex is the big Dominion outside time and space and also the big bad Enigma, who was introduced in Ewing's Defenders mini which retconned a big bad threat out there making the Beyonders piss their pants.

The sinister clones and his wife's clone whole purpose was to try and fail to become a Dominion so he could drain their energy to become one via super computer. Mother Righteous (who we learn is remote controlling a mutant clone of herself) guts Jean in a white blank canvas section of the white room and wrote down in Phoenix force blood she wanted to be a dominion and failed; in the process she also mortally wounded the Phoenix, leaving the X-Men in deeper shit since they don't have the Phoenix to help them now.
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They wanted Kyle and Conner Hawke to be bi or curious and Dixon told them no.

I'm genuinely curious. Does anyone know what if any endgame Hickman had with his X-shit?

ChampFantana said:
Never read it. I have no interest in a fictionalization of the Jack the Ripper murders.
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If I did, I'd like it to read less like a paranoid schizophrenic taking ecstasy and more like the work of historical fiction it claims to be.
 
Georgio Cocklord said:
Try to get your hand on a copy of Ballad of Halo Jones
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I have it, and I first read it over twenty years ago before the modern retconning of Halo as a Feminist Heroine.
It's still a good story, and the attempt to make Halo into a Brie Larson wish fulfilment story is aggravating.
 
MirrorNoir said:
Also, X-Men update
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I know you and all may disagree, but I found Immortal X-Men, the mystery, the set up, the reveal, and the unexpected connections to Ewing books, fucking hype.

It's rare these days to see things have a pay off in comics, so I'll admit I'm quite happy with how that side of the Krakoa era has gone and I'm looking forward to how they close it out in the announced followup title.
 
MirrorNoir said:
But it wasn't until Tom King's overrated as fuck Omega Men that Kyle suddenly became 100% Mexican and a devote Catholic as well (something that none of Kyle's previous writers wrote him as)
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Tom King ignoring a character's history, and writing them with a deconstructive slant that often eliminates who they were before (and more than a lot of the time turns them into assholes with PTSD?) You're telling me this for the first time.

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Iron Jaguar said:
I have it, and I first read it over twenty years ago before the modern retconning of Halo as a Feminist Heroine.
It's still a good story, and the attempt to make Halo into a Brie Larson wish fulfilment story is aggravating.
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Given Alan moore I would say it was intentional and wasn't a retcon, this man did participate in social movements. It's just that Halo has a little more personality and suffering compared to say promethea. I still feel she's a bit too manly for little to no reason, not in the tomboy way but like a modern Mary Sue especially towards the end where she essentially manipulates the orc guy.
 
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