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[A Grey Cat]

Enjoying garth ennis run on dynamites the shadow. Really I've been meaning to get back into characters like the shadow, the spirit, dick tracy, and the green hornet. Supes and their capes being everywhere these days and all...gimme a guy in a hat, a coat, and a mask over the capeshit anyway. Just that and good Ole fisticuffs, or in Tracy's case a big Ole Tommy gun and a pair of 45s.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Before he was critical of anyone he thought wrote like him. According to him in one interview, Karen Berger's goal for Vertigo was to pump out a bunch of books that people might think were written by Moore so DC could make more money off of him without paying him. He was kind of insane at that point.

its funny how a guy who thinks of himself as so smart got outsmarted with a pretty simple "we'll give you the rights when we stop selling it" loophole

 

[Commander X]

It's true that Dan Slott has written the most issues of She-Hulk. It's also true that most people forget that he actually wrote She-Hulk. Those facts should tell you how very little one should value his opinion of the She-Hulk show.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

its amazing how stupid mcu fans are that they will mass signalboost comic book writers whos work theyll never read to say "look! it's comic accurate therefore good!" whereas the reason they dont want to read the source material is they wouldnt like it because the MCU changes a lot. anything to justify consuming more content and making it seem anything higher than lower middle brow

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Has Dan Slott written like, ANYTHING for Marvel that people actually liked? Whenever I hear "Slott" and "Marvel" in the same sentence it's pretty much always someone bitching how Danny has shat the bed yet again.

 

[Flaming Carrot]

Has Dan Slott written like, ANYTHING for Marvel that people actually liked? Whenever I hear "Slott" and "Marvel" in the same sentence it's pretty much always someone bitching how Danny has shat the bed yet again.

His run on She-Hilk was pretty well-received at the time. His Spider-Man/Human Torch miniseries was good. I liked his Silver Surfer, but that might just because I like Doctor Who. I haven't read much of it, but I get the impression his Spider-Man run is what people have a problem with.

Regardless, I will never understand why Marvel writers insist on getting in fights with their audience. Jim Lee doesn't go on Twitter and shit on everyone for not liking the Harley Quinn, but Marvel writers are constantly causing drama on social media.

Edit: I forgot about his Great Lakes Avengers miniseries. He was much better at writing Squirrel Girl than Ryan North.

 

[Nick Obre]

His run on She-Hilk was pretty well-received at the time. His Spider-Man/Human Torch miniseries was good. I liked his Silver Surfer, but that might just because I like Doctor Who. I haven't read much of it, but I get the impression his Spider-Man run is what people have a problem with.

Regardless, I will never understand why Marvel writers insist on getting in fights with their audience. Jim Lee doesn't go on Twitter and shit on everyone for not liking the Harley Quinn, but Marvel writers are constantly causing drama on social media.

Edit: I forgot about his Great Lakes Avengers miniseries. He was much better at writing Squirrel Girl than Ryan North.

GLA was shit and the start, at least in the modern era, of an unfunny running joke that in a godly world should have never caught on.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Has Dan Slott written like, ANYTHING for Marvel that people actually liked? Whenever I hear "Slott" and "Marvel" in the same sentence it's pretty much always someone bitching how Danny has shat the bed yet again.

Slott's early 90s work (Ren and Stimpy and What If) were well received, as was a Batman mini set in Arkham that amounted to "evil white collar executive buys an insanity plea to avoid prison/goes to Arkham, gets bullied by the inmates who find financial fraud to be worse than child murder, and gets disfigured when he accidentally gets locked into Mr Freeze's sub zero cell with him during a riot and becomes a super-villain mob boss" origin story for a character who appeared mainly in the early Winnick era before being dropped when Morrison came along.

Slott first came to peoples attention for She-Hulk, which originally lasted about 12 issues before being canceled due to bad sales. The book was critically acclaimed however, though with the cavet that it was only brought back in part because of the backlash over Avengers Disassembled (which among other things had Jen kill Vision and go on a Hulk rampage that led to her having to be put in stasis, which is where Bendis intended to permanently stick her as part of his scorch earth of the classic Avengers).

The first Slott run featured one of the most pathetic "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME WRITE SPIDER-MAN!!!!!" stories not seen since Joe Kelly basically bent Deadpool over a pinball machine Jodie Foster style and raped the character in a similar "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME WRITE SPIDER-MAN!" style in the late 90s. Which made people also realize, prior to She-Hulk, that Slott DID write Spider-Man in the form of a forgotten and ignored when it first came out Spider-Man/Human Torch mini that was retroactively declared on of the best Spider-Man stories ever written due to Spider-Man fans latching onto Slott as a possible savior of the franchise.

Along the way, Slott got two Avengers books to write: Avengers Initiative (which got mixed reviews and infamously featured Slott hyping a major new masked female character he added to the book, as possibly being Shadowcat or Jean Grey before it turn out to be Typhoid fucking Mary) and Mighty Avengers, which infamously dickteased Scarlet Witch returning to the Avengers (it was Loki in disguise) and rehabbing Hank Pym and introducing the Scientist Supreme concept for him (sadly, years later, Slott joined the "shit on Hank Pym" wagon and spent his last arc on Iron Man crapping all over Hank by having everyone in the Avengers shitting on him and telling him that they never really liked him).

His second run on She-Hulk is where he started going into overdrive slut shaming She-Hulk just because he could, seeding crap for the Reckoning War (which was also seeded in Avengers Initiative) that he finally got to tell in Fantastic Four, and ending his run with the Leader being acquitted for the mass murder he did in PAD's Hulk run by having him do the cockersucking whore version of the Chewbacca Defense. Which pissed a LOT of people off and retroactively led to some people retroactively trying to claim they never liked Slott's work on She-Hulk.

This sort of "we never liked Slott, really! We never championed him!" revisionism came to a head when Slott sold his soul for a chance to write Spider-Man for nearly a decade (minus several lengthy fill-in arcs from other writers mostly during the early parts of his run). Slott sold his soul and gleefully embraced the mandates put on him by Marvel and ruthlessly mocked and belittled and taunted fans as he crashed the Spider-Man franchise with no survivors championing One More Day and Brand New Day. Fans turned on Slott because of his shitty behavior and then some, with Kirk Boxleitner famously calling for jihad against Slott when he killed Spider-Man off and had Doctor Octopus hijack his body and steal his life (something Slott 100% intended to make permanent or die trying to make it permanent, and that editorial was willing to let ride out as long as possible, until Slott pitched the Spider-Verse story to further jerk off Doctor Octopus achieving the ultimate gaslighting: getting all of the other Spider-Men of the multiverse to declare him "best Spider-Man", even M2 Spider-Girl, and editorial finally told him "wrap up Superior Spider-Man because we want to do Spiderverse but it has to be the real Spider-Man instead as the lead").

The only good things, as it were, to come from allowing Slott on Spider-Man was him vetoing Bendis wanting to use Civil War 2 to have Peter killed off for good so Miles could be the "one true Spider-Man" and him bringing back Kaine, the later of which Slott immediately regretted doing when editorial made him Scarlet Spider and he was getting better reviews than Slott's book.

But Slott's work on Amazing destroyed his reputation beyond repair and it still makes him super bitter that the fans that once sucked his dick so willingly, turned on him like they did when the emperor turned out to have no clothing.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

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It's true that Dan Slott has written the most issues of She-Hulk. It's also true that most people forget that he actually wrote She-Hulk. Those facts should tell you how very little one should value his opinion of the She-Hulk show.

Of course this retard would take credit for something another author did. That She-Hulk was closer to John Byrne's version than anything this moron has written. There's a reason why comic fans hate this man, and it's not just because of how he ruined Spider-Man.

I guess he answered my question before I ever typed it.

Are Western comics still shit? Obviously yes. Last comic I enjoyed and picked up that came from the "West" was a Polish comic that was translated. This was like 2017 or so.

 

[jspit2.0]

Enjoying garth ennis run on dynamites the shadow. Really I've been meaning to get back into characters like the shadow, the spirit, dick tracy, and the green hornet. Supes and their capes being everywhere these days and all...gimme a guy in a hat, a coat, and a mask over the capeshit anyway. Just that and good Ole fisticuffs, or in Tracy's case a big Ole Tommy gun and a pair of 45s.

Capeshit as a derogatory is dumb. Bad comics are bad and good are good.

Also, if its dynamite, until we learn Kato's pronouns....

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It's true that Dan Slott has written the most issues of She-Hulk. It's also true that most people forget that he actually wrote She-Hulk. Those facts should tell you how very little one should value his opinion of the She-Hulk show.

Did he though? Also, telling Dan is talking about quantity over quality here.

Dan's written hundreds of Spidey comics.

None of them worthy of notice.

Has Dan Slott written like, ANYTHING for Marvel that people actually liked? Whenever I hear "Slott" and "Marvel" in the same sentence it's pretty much always someone bitching how Danny has shat the bed yet again.

Yes. Dan wrote a 'good' She-hulk run. He also had a solid run on avengers and an average Thing mini-series.

Care to know what his 'pitch' for She-hulk was? It's printed in the TPB. He literally pitched the series as Ally Mcbeal with tights. It's a page long and sexist as fuck.

Dan's problem is the same one Waid and Busiek and allot of guys have. He's didn't get the job because he's good. He got it because he's a fan boy who kissed the right asses.

Fanboys can do good work. Marvels/Kingdom Come are something only a fan of Marvel and DC could make. But as far as craft, whether it's dialogue or plot Slott sits with allot of latter day comic writers as average at best.

His run on She-Hilk was pretty well-received at the time. His Spider-Man/Human Torch miniseries was good. I liked his Silver Surfer, but that might just because I like Doctor Who. I haven't read much of it, but I get the impression his Spider-Man run is what people have a problem with.

Regardless, I will never understand why Marvel writers insist on getting in fights with their audience. Jim Lee doesn't go on Twitter and shit on everyone for not liking the Harley Quinn, but Marvel writers are constantly causing drama on social media.

Edit: I forgot about his Great Lakes Avengers miniseries. He was much better at writing Squirrel Girl than Ryan North.

He was referencing other, better creators and basically writing his fanfic of their stories. Which is alright, until you move from what if Spooderman had continued punching clone person to creating your own shit.

 

[GoPro]

Are Western comics still shit? Obviously yes. Last comic I enjoyed and picked up that came from the "West" was a Polish comic that was translated. This was like 2017 or so.

There is at least one good American comic per year on average. The problem is that the odd good books are buried under a pile of trash. European comics are much better overall.
What was the title of that Polish comics or what was it about? My experience with European books is mainly Franco-Belgian with some Italian books. I am curious about other countries.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

There is at least one good American comic per year on average. The problem is that the odd good books are buried under a pile of trash. European comics are much better overall.
What was the title of that Polish comics or what was it about? My experience with European books is mainly Franco-Belgian with some Italian books. I am curious about other countries.

I've been trying to find the name of it. It was a drama of sorts with a female lead if I recall.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

Are Western comics still shit? Obviously yes. Last comic I enjoyed and picked up that came from the "West" was a Polish comic that was translated. This was like 2017 or so.

I gave up on traditional comics after Archie caved to faggotry and MAD Magazine gave up on a world too insane to parody. (also, rumor has it, they realized they couldn't parody/mock anyone who wasn't a straight white Christian)

Knights of the Dinner Table is quite good but only if you're a fair bit of a TG/boardgame geek, otherwise you lose out on much of the humor.

Most of the non-nerd comics that were any good have either shut down (like Peanuts, Tumbleweeds) or should have been shut down (For Better or For Worse, B.C., Baby Blues, Family Circus) but are being continued long past their expiration date.

 

[Nick Obre]

Imma echo myself from a bunch of pages back and say

READ DO A POWERBOMB! YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS

 

[A Grey Cat]

Capeshit as a derogatory is dumb. Bad comics are bad and

Youre right..it is a dumb derogatory because its not harsh enough:

You know...I used to think people saying "down with American comics Japan and Maga ftw!" Where too cynical at best of times, insufferable weebs at worst. Now I think maybe they have a point...maybe.

Also, if its dynamite, until we learn Kato's pronouns....

Lemme guess....xi/xur or they them? Sigh I thought dynamite was like the last comic company that had some dignity left,boy was I wrong. All I ask is they leave my boy the shadow out of this garbage. Like I said no cape, no trunks, no fancy quips or wide eyed optimism...just a hat, a coat and a pair of peacekeepers tucked away under his shoulders.


And yes I know they did later give him some superpowers like mind control. Can look like anyone he wants, and essentially made him immortal. Bit really they had 3 choices: make him immortal, have the series run on a sliding scale of time, or have the shadow in his 90s when 9/11 happens and comparing it to pearl harbor right on down to being the catalyst that prompts American into a war.

 

[RurkerHivemind]

Youre right..it is a dumb derogatory because its not harsh enough:https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt5XG_D8Xw
You know...I used to think people saying "down with American comics Japan and Maga ftw!" Where too cynical at best of times, insufferable weebs at worst. Now I think maybe they have a point...maybe.



Lemme guess....xi/xur or they them? Sigh I thought dynamite was like the last comic company that had some dignity left,boy was I wrong. All I ask is they leave my boy the shadow out of this garbage. Like I said no cape, no trunks, no fancy quips or wide eyed optimism...just a hat, a coat and a pair of peacekeepers tucked away under his shoulders.


And yes I know they did later give him some superpowers like mind control. Can look like anyone he wants, and essentially made him immortal. Bit really they had 3 choices: make him immortal, have the series run on a sliding scale of time, or have the shadow in his 90s when 9/11 happens and comparing it to pearl harbor right on down to being the catalyst that prompts American into a war.

Like I don't like Mpreg shit. Like it looks very unnatural and the male body cannot support a baby for amny reasons. The pubic bone of a man and woman are vastly different and a woman's pubic bone can actually allow a baby's head to exit the birth canal.

 

[jspit2.0]

Youre right..it is a dumb derogatory because its not harsh enough:https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Bt5XG_D8Xw
You know...I used to think people saying "down with American comics Japan and Maga ftw!" Where too cynical at best of times, insufferable weebs at worst. Now I think maybe they have a point...maybe.

Sigh. But some of those manga boyz have caps and cowls too....

Look, if your really a fan of manga (or other comics outside the usa) then you know it isn't any different.

Shounen and Isekai for Asian comics, Westerns and edgy boy shit for Europe. It honestly sounds like your conflating woke comics with superheroes. You can just not like a genre, but it isn't isolated to that genre.

Lemme guess....xi/xur or they them? Sigh I thought dynamite was like the last comic company that had some dignity left,boy was I wrong. All I ask is they leave my boy the shadow out of this garbage. Like I said no cape, no trunks, no fancy quips or wide eyed optimism...just a hat, a coat and a pair of peacekeepers tucked away under his shoulders.

That...isn't woke. Optimism isn't woke.

Fuck, I'd love some actual old fashioned optimism and witty banter. There's none to be found.

And yes I know they did later give him some superpowers like mind control. Can look like anyone he wants, and essentially made him immortal. Bit really they had 3 choices: make him immortal, have the series run on a sliding scale of time, or have the shadow in his 90s when 9/11 happens and comparing it to pearl harbor right on down to being the catalyst that prompts American into a war.

With the Shadow you have Howard Chaykin who did some great work. the DC stuff. Eisner's Spirit has constantly struggled because he was such a visionary master of his craft and when top talent pros approach it, they only want to come to pay tribute rather than the character.

Pulp wise over the last twenty years I'd say it depends. You seem to be more interested in grit so I doubt you'd like anything I recommend. Cooke Spirit or rick vetch's ABC Greyshirt homage.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

The problem is that the odd good books are buried under a pile of trash. European comics are much better overall.

Case with DC, I often get the sense that the "Warworld Saga" (basically "Planet Hulk" with Superman, but does some world-building with Warworld) in Action Comics is overlooked because the company wanted to promote Jon Kent as the "new and improved" Superman. Similarly, Jeremy Adams' run on Flash is solid, especially if you're a Wally West fan, but similarly receives little attention. Word has it that Tom Taylor is gunning for the title and DC will drop Adams once his contract ends, which is a crying shame.

 

[JimiHendrix]

You know...I used to think people saying "down with American comics Japan and Maga ftw!" Where too cynical at best of times, insufferable weebs at worst. Now I think maybe they have a point...maybe.

people in this thread should really stop knee jerking reactions to shit they haven't read and just taking youtube clickbait as gospel.

you guys did the same with fat poison ivy, not realizing it was a story set 50 years in the future and trees get bigger as they age.

you did the same with Batman "ignoring rioters" because of BLM, not realizing it was because they were stealing his products, and he was on the way to Joker who stole a bus full of children, kinda took priority.

with Pregnant Joker, it's part of the back up storylines of Matthew Rosenbergs' current run on The Man Who Stopped Laughing, which always include surrealist elements, for example, the backup stories that happened BEFORE pregnant joker were as follows:

Joker falling in love with Powergirl and tries to win her over by changing his appearance, this includes him attempting to impress her with his various movie looks, including Jared Leto's Joker which is immediately mocked.

Joker feels no one appreciates him so he fakes his own suicide so he can look in on his funeral and see what his friends truly think of him, he then reveals himself to be alive and is nearly beaten to death by all of Gotham's criminals who believe him an imposter.

Joker is cut in half by a train and is rushed to the hospital, unable to find any doctor who can help, his minions, Jackanappes and Gagsworthy bring in Professor Pyg, who mutilated all three of them and turns them into a midget/joker/gorilla hybrid monster.

in the above one, Joker is cursed by Zatanna after hitting on her and becomes pregnant after he accidentally ate a ton of mud.

look, I'm all for shitting on Woke/weird fetish shit, like the recent X-men comic that had women teasing a guy over having a piss fetish, that's all well and good, but can we do just the bare minimum of actually looking into the comic before declaring western comics have fallen and the SJWs have taken over? I beg of you.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Sigh. But some of those manga boyz have caps and cowls too....

Look, if your really a fan of manga (or other comics outside the usa) then you know it isn't any different.

Shounen and Isekai for Asian comics, Westerns and edgy boy shit for Europe. It honestly sounds like your conflating woke comics with superheroes. You can just not like a genre, but it isn't isolated to that genre.



That...isn't woke. Optimism isn't woke.

Fuck, I'd love some actual old fashioned optimism and witty banter. There's none to be found.



With the Shadow you have Howard Chaykin who did some great work. the DC stuff. Eisner's Spirit has constantly struggled because he was such a visionary master of his craft and when top talent pros approach it, they only want to come to pay tribute rather than the character.

Pulp wise over the last twenty years I'd say it depends. You seem to be more interested in grit so I doubt you'd like anything I recommend. Cooke Spirit or rick vetch's ABC Greyshirt homage.

Ya know...you do raise a good point. I don't HATE heroes and I don't want them to completely go away. I just want them to 1. Tone down on being everywhere in life. 2. Quit with the woke shit....or at the very least dial back on.

look, I'm all for shitting on Woke/weird fetish shit, like the recent X-men comic that had women teasing a guy over having a piss fetish, that's all well and good, but can we do just the bare minimum of actually looking into the comic before declaring western comics have fallen and the SJWs have taken over? I beg of you.

Sorry, being older and not having the time to read comics like you used too makes you a sucker for click bait. Thanks for the context.


Maybe it's just me. Getting older, seeing an ever changing world and the media reflecting it without even the slightest bit of humor. Seeing everything that used to make you happy turn to ash in your mouth. It has a way of giving a guy a bad attitude and a jaded outlook.


The comedian was a terrible man, and Alan Moore wrote him specifically hoping the reader would hate him, but he did give him one trait I can kinda admire. He saw the world for what it is, and he decided to turn it into a joke. What can you do when the whole world's become nothing but ONE big joke?