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[MirrorNoir]

The sad thing is that Savage Dragon COULD work as a slice of life book/legacy book if it had been written properly. But it has gone so far fucking off the rails, combined with the longstanding issues from Larsen getting reprints for the book made/kept in print, that it's a chore to read if not give a shit about.

 

[Anon88]

Spawn already suffered from going on forever and Walking Dead did, too.

The walking dead should have ended right before the 2 year time gap. Everything past that point wasn't very good in my opinion and it really felt like they were just trying to keep the comic alive for the sake of keeping it alive and not because they had anything left to write about. To this day I've never finished the last couple of arcs because they felt like they shouldn't had been made.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

I enjoyed the wildstorm 30th anniversary but I'm not sure how well they mix with the DC universe. Good art in parts of it.

 

[The Feline Solution]

The walking dead should have ended right before the 2 year time gap. Everything past that point wasn't very good in my opinion and it really felt like they were just trying to keep the comic alive for the sake of keeping it alive and not because they had anything left to write about. To this day I've never finished the last couple of arcs because they felt like they shouldn't had been made.

Yeah, same. I dropped it around the time

Spoiler

when Negan decapitated Alpha

and Rick gave a stupid speech to mobilize the villagers for the umpteenth time, shit got awfully formulaic. It's a really solid comic for the first 80-100 issues but Image seems to follow the way of japanese publishers when it comes to their popular franchises.

 

[EmpGulcasa]

Reading my way through DC after dropping comics a year or two back due to lack of time. Entering the Rebirth era and am worried as I hear about more and more characters being arbitrarily replaced with checklist minorities/LGBTQwhatevers, and characters being turned gay without any indication they had ever been before. Is it as bad as I've heard or has it been exaggerated?

Also, with how KF is these days I've been looking for other communities to talk comics on that aren't Reddit. Do any exist where I won't be banned immediately for saying something negative about one of the new characters?

 

[Liquid Kent]

Yeah, same. I dropped it around the time

Spoiler

when Negan decapitated Alpha

and Rick gave a stupid speech to mobilize the villagers for the umpteenth time, shit got awfully formulaic. It's a really solid comic for the first 80-100 issues but Image seems to follow the way of japanese publishers when it comes to their popular franchises.

I did enjoy the surprise final issue because Kirkman pulled a Starman #80 where he timeskipped forward and talked about how everyone has moved on post-zombies and how reconstruction is going forward well, together with zombies being relegated to sideshow attractions (who'd have thought?). The Starman ending worked to me because it was probably the best way he could've ended it after it became X Y X Y 1 + 1 formula and dragged on.

Reading my way through DC after dropping comics a year or two back due to lack of time. Entering the Rebirth era and am worried as I hear about more and more characters being arbitrarily replaced with checklist minorities/LGBTQwhatevers, and characters being turned gay without any indication they had ever been before. Is it as bad as I've heard or has it been exaggerated?

Also, with how KF is these days I've been looking for other communities to talk comics on that aren't Reddit. Do any exist where I won't be banned immediately for saying something negative about one of the new characters?

Don't think so. It's a brave new world since 2015 where being stunning and brave alphabet pronouns have taken center stage over stories to be told. Alan Scott being restored from Earth 2 (circa 1945ish) but still retaining the "being gay" from 2012 Earth 2 (which had a point going in-story, but it was still kind of shoehorned in for agenda, and his son Obsidian's character trait being folded in to his character) is one of the glaring issues that continue now.

The last comic book I read was Enemy of the Empire, from the original EU Star Wars. The marked difference in quality of actually knowing your character, your audience and the story you want to tell is all the more apparent from those who were hired for brownie points and directly off creative writing classes.

You could try TFW2005 and/or Toyark comic boards, but they're not as active or impartial, I think.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The walking dead should have ended right before the 2 year time gap. Everything past that point wasn't very good in my opinion and it really felt like they were just trying to keep the comic alive for the sake of keeping it alive and not because they had anything left to write about. To this day I've never finished the last couple of arcs because they felt like they shouldn't had been made.

I feel like issue 48 was the best spot to end and after that everything got repetitive. You don't even have to change anything, it almost feels like Kirkman thought that was going to be the last issue. But then he kept going, things got repetitive, and then Rick died out of nowhere.

When talking about his pitch for the book, the only way he could get Image to accept it was to say that in issue 50, aliens would come in and explain how the zombie outbreak started. I don't think it would have worked, but it could have kept things from getting stale.

 

[MirrorNoir]

I would have preferred a Fulci origin for the Walking Dead zombies: supernatural hotspot/hellmouth opened up and the dead started rising because of that. Would have fit with the existential dread of the book.

Also, in a cynical way, part of me wonders how things would have played out had they swapped Negan and Princess. Princess as a cold blooded, a bit loopy, but ruthlessly pragmatic warlord who didn't have Negan's edgier qualities but was still quite dead set on breaking Rick and his crew/Alexandria and Hilltop to force them into the new order she was building. While Negan is the literal high school gym teacher edgelord who is the only one alive in his town and has utterly lost his filter due to being alone as far as explaining why he swears so much.

As for Alan Scott, by all account him being made gay in the mainstream DC Universe is 100% on Jim Lee being a cunt over how New 52 got rejected and his obsession with forcing Superman/Wonder Woman rejected so fucking hard that it was erased outright in Rebirth, when the Post-Crisis Superman got restored. He's made it clear he's forcing Alan as gay down everyone's throats purely to spite them at this point. Even though you'd think a compromise of sorts might be to acknowledge how the real Alan died in the final pre-Flashpoint JSA story and explicitly state that Gay Alan is the New 52 gay Alan displaced in time/space and run with the storyline of him 100% out of place in the regular DC Universe, Jade hating him, and Obsidian being torn between despising the usurper and wanting to bond with him since N52 Alan is the same age as Todd.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Got the first Elvira omnibus! Glossy gorgeous pages. I wasn't pleased when I found out it was going to be in black and white but finding out that was how they originally appeared makes it better and they really did a great job for the late 80s early 90s. Its very tongue-in-cheek and Elvira is a hoot. She could give Deadpool and She Hulk lessons.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

my favorite issue of the elvira comic is when she scrambles to squeeze her tits back into her gown to then tell a group of boys to vote blue no matter who

 

[jspit2.0]

Reading my way through DC after dropping comics a year or two back due to lack of time. Entering the Rebirth era and am worried as I hear about more and more characters being arbitrarily replaced with checklist minorities/LGBTQwhatevers, and characters being turned gay without any indication they had ever been before. Is it as bad as I've heard or has it been exaggerated?

Bad, but it was happening before. You made it through DCYou?

Rebirth starts solid as long as you avoid certain titles.

Supergirl, Superwoman, JLA that spun out of suicide squad.

Avoid the Bat books like the plague. Superman is okay. It's all a huge bait and switch after the first year. I saw it coming because of Didio.

As far as standouts of Rebirth, I'd argue that'd be Suicide Squad and Hal Corps. Aquaman is okay.

Also, with how KF is these days I've been looking for other communities to talk comics on that aren't Reddit. Do any exist where I won't be banned immediately for saying something negative about one of the new characters?

4chan co is still free, I think, but shit. you can post what you like from what I remember. Just know it was invaded after Scans Daily fell and the board was merged with cartoons.

I did enjoy the surprise final issue because Kirkman pulled a Starman #80 where he timeskipped forward and talked about how everyone has moved on post-zombies and how reconstruction is going forward well, together with zombies being relegated to sideshow attractions (who'd have thought?). The Starman ending worked to me because it was probably the best way he could've ended it after it became X Y X Y 1 + 1 formula and dragged on.

Don't think so. It's a brave new world since 2015 where being stunning and brave alphabet pronouns have taken center stage over stories to be told. Alan Scott being restored from Earth 2 (circa 1945ish) but still retaining the "being gay" from 2012 Earth 2 (which had a point going in-story, but it was still kind of shoehorned in for agenda, and his son Obsidian's character trait being folded in to his character) is one of the glaring issues that continue now.

Don't remind me.

As for Alan Scott, by all account him being made gay in the mainstream DC Universe is 100% on Jim Lee being a cunt over how New 52 got rejected and his obsession with forcing Superman/Wonder Woman rejected so fucking hard that it was erased outright in Rebirth, when the Post-Crisis Superman got restored. He's made it clear he's forcing Alan as gay down everyone's throats purely to spite them at this point. Even though you'd think a compromise of sorts might be to acknowledge how the real Alan died in the final pre-Flashpoint JSA story and explicitly state that Gay Alan is the New 52 gay Alan displaced in time/space and run with the storyline of him 100% out of place in the regular DC Universe, Jade hating him, and Obsidian being torn between despising the usurper and wanting to bond with him since N52 Alan is the same age as Todd.

Todd even openly gay in OG infinity Inc? I'm trying to remember, (and no, I don't take a creators intent decades later into account).

I'm also done. Anything other than straight Alan is dumb and a betrayal of the character. No compromise for me at least.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Todd even openly gay in OG infinity Inc? I'm trying to remember, (and no, I don't take a creators intent decades later into account).

I'm also done. Anything other than straight Alan is dumb and a betrayal of the character. No compromise for me at least.

Obsidian was straight in Infinity Inc but his girlfriend turned out to be a traitor/spy who manipulated Grundy into murdering Star Spangled Kid/Skyman, along with implied killing off Todd's step-mom Harquinn (who was later brought back having survived years later). The gay stuff was first introduced in Gerald Jones Justice League run post-Zero Hour when Nucklon and Osbidian joined the JLA. Icemaiden (Jones' obnoxioulsy vile replacement for Ice) kept calling Todd a fag because he wouldn't fuck her, all the while trying to bait Fire into admitting she was gay for Ice.

(Icemaiden ultimately got skinned alive BTW as she was THAT unpopular)

Obsidian came out in the 00s Manhunter series, which was well loved since the writer of that book LIKED Todd, unlike Geoff Johns and Gerald Jones and treated him well. The only people who complained were ironically gay fans, who pointed out that there was some serious negative implications of Todd being gay given that Geoff Johns canonized the implications from Infinity Inc that Todd was not just physically abused but also sexually abused by his monster foster father. Along with Geoff doing his damnest to try and make Osbidian a villain.

When Geoff put Todd on the JSA team post Infinite Crisis, Alex Ross (who was now cowriting the book) had a cow about Todd being gay and a compromise was made that Geoff wouldn't mention Todd being a fag in the title rather than give him a girlfriend like Alex wanted.

Williamson then put Todd through pure hell AGAIN when he took over the title because he wasn't allowed to make Todd straight, though set up the plot point in his final issues where he explicitly had Todd taunt Alan by "joking about having been turned straight" and all but outright state that Alan, who was a hardcore leftie and socialist, had issues with his son being gay and was why he preferred Jade over Todd and why he kept ignoring/shunning his son in favor of his daughter. Which carried over in the last batch of JSA issues with Alan coming to grips with his own homophobia to try and have a father/son relationship with Todd.

As for using New 52 Alan Scott to permanently replace OG Alan, it's both a means IMHO to preserve the final pre-Flashpoint JSA issue and Alan's death/character development in those final years and to salvage SOMETHING from the shit show that was Earth 2 and how they utterly dropped the ball in New 52 with Earths End, with Darkseid completely conquering/terraforming New 52 Earth 2; something that I really wish could have been followed up on given the implications of that cliffhanger/version of Darkseid.

 

[jspit2.0]

Obsidian was straight in Infinity Inc but his girlfriend turned out to be a traitor/spy who manipulated Grundy into murdering Star Spangled Kid/Skyman, along with implied killing off Todd's step-mom Harquinn (who was later brought back having survived years later). The gay stuff was first introduced in Gerald Jones Justice League run post-Zero Hour when Nucklon and Osbidian joined the JLA. Icemaiden (Jones' obnoxioulsy vile replacement for Ice) kept calling Todd a fag because he wouldn't fuck her, all the while trying to bait Fire into admitting she was gay for Ice.

(Icemaiden ultimately got skinned alive BTW as she was THAT unpopular)

Obsidian came out in the 00s Manhunter series, which was well loved since the writer of that book LIKED Todd, unlike Geoff Johns and Gerald Jones and treated him well. The only people who complained were ironically gay fans, who pointed out that there was some serious negative implications of Todd being gay given that Geoff Johns canonized the implications from Infinity Inc that Todd was not just physically abused but also sexually abused by his monster foster father. Along with Geoff doing his damnest to try and make Osbidian a villain.

When Geoff put Todd on the JSA team post Infinite Crisis, Alex Ross (who was now cowriting the book) had a cow about Todd being gay and a compromise was made that Geoff wouldn't mention Todd being a fag in the title rather than give him a girlfriend like Alex wanted.

Williamson then put Todd through pure hell AGAIN when he took over the title because he wasn't allowed to make Todd straight, though set up the plot point in his final issues where he explicitly had Todd taunt Alan by "joking about having been turned straight" and all but outright state that Alan, who was a hardcore leftie and socialist, had issues with his son being gay and was why he preferred Jade over Todd and why he kept ignoring/shunning his son in favor of his daughter. Which carried over in the last batch of JSA issues with Alan coming to grips with his own homophobia to try and have a father/son relationship with Todd.

As for using New 52 Alan Scott to permanently replace OG Alan, it's both a means IMHO to preserve the final pre-Flashpoint JSA issue and Alan's death/character development in those final years and to salvage SOMETHING from the shit show that was Earth 2 and how they utterly dropped the ball in New 52 with Earths End, with Darkseid completely conquering/terraforming New 52 Earth 2; something that I really wish could have been followed up on given the implications of that cliffhanger/version of Darkseid.

I thought not. The Jones/Vado League is an abomination I've blackholes thoroughly.

I always disliked Todd being retro gayed, but tolerated it as this grey area when Ross was doing the Society. I always saw it as Johns virtue signaling a little, like Jakeem, who grew to be a decent character before being completely forgotten.

As far as salvaging E2 Robinson? Nah. I hated that shit. Let the past lie without tainting it.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Finally got around to reading tom king's rorschach series. Its...a mixed bag. Arts ok, writing is... well the letters between will and Laura are endearing.. almost in a Mary and max way, but it's hard to enjoy that when it's sandwiched in between tom king venting his tds thru an allegorical representation. Aka governor Turly claiming a "conservative revolution is coming!" Even taking production time into account by 2020 it was annoying and tired even with the use of allegory.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Tom King's mini was even more frustrating in a beyond the pale sort of way when you consider that it's not in the comic continuity but the TV show continuity. Which made the ending all the more beyond the pale when you consider the evil shit the DNC had done in the 30 years they held absolute power on the show, in terms of white genocide and explicitly reducing white people to a pariah class unless you were willing to be brownshirts for the liberal elite in regards to persecuting your own kind in exchange for the crumbs the elite give you.

Essentially nothing changed and more than likely, Laurie probably murdered Looking Glass and let Veidt walk away to resume his life punishment free due to Laurie being a literal traitor who let the world burn and her lover rot in jail for life, rather than expose Veidt's scheme and bring down the nightmare world Veidt created.

 

[CowPox]

Is Alan Moore critical of writers like Tom King who rehash his work in the same way he is with film makers who do something similar?

 

[A Grey Cat]

Is Alan Moore critical of writers like Tom King who rehash his work in the same way he is with film makers who do something similar?

He frankly just doesn't give a shit anymore. He hates capeshit almost as much as we do and believes it's the perfect thing for Turing the masses into wide mouthed soy faced bugmen.

Tom King's mini was even more frustrating in a beyond the pale sort of way when you consider that it's not in the comic continuity but the TV show continuity. Which made the ending all the more beyond the pale when you consider the evil shit the DNC had done in the 30 years they held absolute power on the show, in terms of white genocide and explicitly reducing white people to a pariah class unless you were willing to be brownshirts for the liberal elite in regards to persecuting your own kind in exchange for the crumbs the elite give you.

Essentially nothing changed and more than likely, Laurie probably murdered Looking Glass and let Veidt walk away to resume his life punishment free due to Laurie being a literal traitor who let the world burn and her lover rot in jail for life, rather than expose Veidt's scheme and bring down the nightmare world Veidt created.

I've heard the book is just vague enough to be in cannon to both the original comic and the HBO show with only one mention of "what what down in Oklahoma." But aside that it's more a breakdown of how people both in universe and in real life have taken rorschach and turned him into a symbol. Even though in universe and out that was never the intention with him.

Really it's better than the TV show but only in a lesser of two evils way.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Is Alan Moore critical of writers like Tom King who rehash his work in the same way he is with film makers who do something similar?

Before he was critical of anyone he thought wrote like him. According to him in one interview, Karen Berger's goal for Vertigo was to pump out a bunch of books that people might think were written by Moore so DC could make more money off of him without paying him. He was kind of insane at that point.

 

[Kerr Avon]

I'm reading the Strontium Dog series and overall, I like it a lot. Unfortunately, the issues without Carlos Ezquerra doing the art are ROUGH, nearly unreadable. (Especially in black and white.). Luckily, Carlos returned to art duties when the series switched to color and it's been a lot of fun.

Ezquerra on art duties for Morrison and Millar run on Dredd was a kindness they didn't deserve

 

[ChampFantana]

Ezquerra on art duties for Morrison and Millar run on Dredd was a kindness they didn't deserve

Agreed.