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I’ve posted this in other threads, but I’m getting ready to read Bloom County for the first time. People have often compared this to Calvin & Hobbes and The Far Side, while others have compared the art style to Doonesbury.

I was wondering what was this comic like for you when you read this for the first time. When I found out people compared this to Doonesbury, I was a little bit mixed on that since I always found the creator of that comic to let his personal politics get in the way of him trying to tell the story of the main character without getting too anti-Republican for anti-Republicans’ sake. I’m all for being satirical and making parodies when necessary, but in current day, when making jokes about the usual suspects and not once taking jabs at your own side (and I don’t mean light jabs or slaps on the wrists-level comedy), it can be tiresome since most of these people are missing the idea of telling jokes and actually having punchlines.

Either way, Bloom County looks like a good one, so let me know your thoughts on this one.
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Doonsbury is Garfield for Boomercrats
 
Started to read Age of Ultron and made it about three issues in and gave up, always heard this was exceptionally good i found it tedious and stupid, the art was good though.
 
CowPox said:
Started to read Age of Ultron and made it about three issues in and gave up, always heard this was exceptionally good i found it tedious and stupid, the art was good though.
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Who the fuck told you that? It's one of the shittiest events in recent memory, and that's saying a lot. I've never heard anyone praise it in any capacity. Even the movie, bad as it was, benefited enormously by having nothing to do with the event other than the name.
Maybe they meant Rage of Ultron?
 
Nick Obre said:
Who the fuck told you that? It's one of the shittiest events in recent memory, and that's saying a lot. I've never heard anyone praise it in any capacity. Even the movie, bad as it was, benefited enormously by having nothing to do with the event other than the name.
Maybe they meant Rage of Ultron?
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I don't know, its all shit.
 
Rage of ultron wasnt that graphic novel by remender when marvel briefly started doing gns instead of minis? The one where pym and ultron fuses? I remember liking it.

But even then I remember liking most of remenders avengers (mostly uncanny avengers). But even then I fucking hate x-men, so I am biased as fuck
 
Registration said:
Rage of ultron wasnt that graphic novel by remender when marvel briefly started doing gns instead of minis? The one where pym and ultron fuses? I remember liking it.

But even then I remember liking most of remenders avengers (mostly uncanny avengers). But even then I fucking hate x-men, so I am biased as fuck
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Yeah, that's the one.
 
CowPox said:
Registration said:
Rage of ultron wasnt that graphic novel by remender when marvel briefly started doing gns instead of minis? The one where pym and ultron fuses? I remember liking it.

Nick Obre said:
Yeah, that's the one.
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But even then I remember liking most of remenders avengers (mostly uncanny avengers). But even then I fucking hate x-men, so I am biased as fuck
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I don't know, its all shit.
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Rage of Ultron is actually good. Pym and Ultron carry the story. It's more about Pym's failure ala making his Frankenstein and cursing Ultron to a fate of being Pym's own self-hatred personified. An Ultron copy comes back to Earth after assimilating one of the boring advanced space races and uses a nano swarm to assimilate most of mankind and the boring Eternals. It touches on if Pym actually see's Vision and other AI "life" as having value. Ends with Starfox using the merged Pym-Ultron biological components to force himself to love himself. I unironically wouldn't care if it was the definitive end for Pym beyond the Wasp making it all about herself in the end.

For whatever reason Marvel sidelines Ultron like a motherfucker because Byrne, Bendis, and Brevoort dislike him because he ties into Pym having a mental breakdown and socking Janet (open hand by the way, totally fine). Pym and Stark are the only Avengers who I like because they have some depth. Stark actually has the whole messiah complex imposter syndrome along with the alcoholism. Pym has mental illness and feelings of inadequacy compared to his teammates.
I never get why they never explore how Pym's first wife got abducted by soviets, he went missing for weeks and found with amnesia, and then became a superhero because commie infiltration.

The most basic bitch battered woman get told every time Janet and Pym are ever together instead of referencing the origin is a lonely scientist making friends with a rich widower and his daughter. The rich widower dies due to foul play and the surviving parties are trying to replace what they lost without really thinking of the other person. You don't have to make Janet an abusive partner or a damsel, but somebody who wanted to replace their father figure rather then grieve. Although she did manipulate the fuck out of Pym.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
Rage of Ultron is actually good. Pym and Ultron carry the story. It's more about Pym's failure ala making his Frankenstein and cursing Ultron to a fate of being Pym's own self-hatred personified. An Ultron copy comes back to Earth after assimilating one of the boring advanced space races and uses a nano swarm to assimilate most of mankind and the boring Eternals. It touches on if Pym actually see's Vision and other AI "life" as having value. Ends with Starfox using the merged Pym-Ultron biological components to force himself to love himself. I unironically wouldn't care if it was the definitive end for Pym beyond the Wasp making it all about herself in the end.

For whatever reason Marvel sidelines Ultron like a motherfucker because Byrne, Bendis, and Brevoort dislike him because he ties into Pym having a mental breakdown and socking Janet (open hand by the way, totally fine). Pym and Stark are the only Avengers who I like because they have some depth. Stark actually has the whole messiah complex imposter syndrome along with the alcoholism. Pym has mental illness and feelings of inadequacy compared to his teammates.
I never get why they never explore how Pym's first wife got abducted by soviets, he went missing for weeks and found with amnesia, and then became a superhero because commie infiltration.

The most basic bitch battered woman get told every time Janet and Pym are ever together instead of referencing the origin is a lonely scientist making friends with a rich widower and his daughter. The rich widower dies due to foul play and the surviving parties are trying to replace what they lost without really thinking of the other person. You don't have to make Janet an abusive partner or a damsel, but somebody who wanted to replace their father figure rather then grieve. Although she did manipulate the fuck out of Pym.
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I remember really liking pym as leader of his avengers team in mighty avengers back in initiative era, but writers always turns his stories into muh wife beater and so on.

He could always brings new concepts but is thr same boring shit ever. A sad pile of unexplored potential
 
Registration said:
I remember really liking pym as leader of his avengers team in mighty avengers back in initiative era, but writers always turns his stories into muh wife beater and so on.

He could always brings new concepts but is thr same boring shit ever. A sad pile of unexplored potential
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It's worse because he's constantly shamed for it and it's literally acknowledge that Janet took advantage of him impaired by chemical exposure to marry him. You could easily make her a villain: privileged girl marries an older man knowing she looks like his deceased wife, even learning the dead wife's mother tongue and then makes herself look like a victim of domestic abuse when her manipulation starts to take it's toll on him. The question is what does she gain and it's basically power vs money, with Pym she got prestige and power.

I don't want Janet as a villain because her and Pym are better characters than the shitshow that is Captain America and the Hulk. I just want Pym and Beast to be part of a trio of characters with Wonder Man.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
You could easily make her a villain: privileged girl marries an older man knowing she looks like his deceased wife, even learning the dead wife's mother tongue and then makes herself look like a victim of domestic abuse when her manipulation starts to take it's toll on him. The question is what does she gain and it's basically power vs money, with Pym she got prestige and power.
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They wouldn't do it, not intentionally.
But they would do it to turn it into a girl power moment, blissfully unaware of what they're turning her into.

Like when they changed Mockingbird's story, from being a rape victim who killed her rapist, to having cheated on Hawkeye with a villain, lied about it and falsely accused the villain of rape, and then murdered him to cover her lie. And she's heroic for it!
 
I just got done re-reading The Sixth Gun. Pretty good series, I enjoyed it a lot. I really liked the horror/Western setting and the fantasy epic storytelling of the series.
 
Jonah Hill poster said:
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I’ve posted this in other threads, but I’m getting ready to read Bloom County for the first time. People have often compared this to Calvin & Hobbes and The Far Side, while others have compared the art style to Doonesbury.

I was wondering what was this comic like for you when you read this for the first time. When I found out people compared this to Doonesbury, I was a little bit mixed on that since I always found the creator of that comic to let his personal politics get in the way of him trying to tell the story of the main character without getting too anti-Republican for anti-Republicans’ sake. I’m all for being satirical and making parodies when necessary, but in current day, when making jokes about the usual suspects and not once taking jabs at your own side (and I don’t mean light jabs or slaps on the wrists-level comedy), it can be tiresome since most of these people are missing the idea of telling jokes and actually having punchlines.

Either way, Bloom County looks like a good one, so let me know your thoughts on this one.
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Bloom County is like Miracleman or Chrono Trigger or Fulci's Beyond or insert critically acclaimed work that went out of print and was next to impossible to read online let alone find in stores, forcing you to have to pray a second hand store or libraries might have copies of the series or find it dirt cheap on Ebay/Yahoo Auction. And that once you read it, you might get a couple of chuckles but it's dated as fuck and more to the point, not worth the hassle to find it or the money you spent buying old copies from the 80s.

I'd also make a case Bloom County would probably be 100% forgotten had Breathed not resurrected it as a favor to one of his syndicate friends (who had been complaining about how papers were dropping and shrinking the Sunday comic strip pages down to a couple of boomer strips run on a single newspaper page) via Opus. It proved profitable enough and raised awareness of the original series, that companies eventually got Breathed (who had explicitly kept the series out of print, partly out of a weird self-awareness of how dated the work was) to license it and Outlandout for re-issue in the 2010s.

As for the politics of Bloom County, I should note that A. Reagan was pretty much untouchable in the 80s, in the same way TPTB today have an unwritten rule that you can not EVER make fun of Biden. So there was a novelty in Bloom County making fun of Republicans/Reagan and B. they also made fun of liberal Boomers back when they were still thinking they were hot shit and still ruling the world.
 
I had a few of those Bloom County collections back in the late 80s/early 90s. One of them came with a mildly amusing floppy 45 with a couple of bad songs on it.
 
Rage of Ultron is a horrible horrible book, existing solely because Remender was pissy as fuck that other writers (rightfully) ignored one of his last storylines on Secret Avengers where he had Hank Pym get maimed and turned into a cyborg. It rendered Pym irrevocably radioactive in terms of fusing him with Ultron, daming him to a fate worse than death and open season for everyone and their mothers having the Avengers shit on Pym and proclaim "we never liked him/always hated him" as they brutalize Pymtron to their heart's content. Not to mention the giant fuck you where they explicitly destroyed Hank's soul so that he can never be brought back.

Speaking so spoilers and shit

X-Men #16

Rather than killed and mutilate Caliban to make a vest for him to wear, Forge simply had Mr Sinister secretly create a new Caliban clone behind everyone's back as far as pushing Forge into Beast-territory in regards to sociopathy.

Also, we get Havok and Firestar bashing with Magic "dumping" Firestar at Avengers Mansion at the start of the issue's fight against a member of the Children of the Vault and "forgetting" to bring her back until Jean ordered her to teleport her back to the team and Magik being super snotty towards Firestar afterwards when she confronted her.

Also, Havok continues to be treated as an obnoxious hothead who everyone hates as he finds out that Scott didn't want him on the team and that the only reason Alex is an X-Man right now is Forge forced Scott to put him on the team as payback for drafting Forge against his will to work as part of Scott's group purely because he "knew Alex would be a fuck up and watching Scott deal with Alex would humor Forge who would rather be back in X-Force doing evil fucking shit".

Oh and apparently OC X23 from the previous Hickman series who was presumed dead, is alive and in stasis, meaning Synch's about to get his wish to get his crush back in his arms. And make X23 regret pushing for allowing clones to get brought back on Krakoa.

Also Miracleman Silver Age #1 finally fucking dropped and it's boring as fuck. A bunch of young teen heroes fight a Galactus knock-off as Young Miracleman wakes up post-Resurrection and finds out his entire life is a lie.
 
MirrorNoir said:
Bloom County is like Miracleman or Chrono Trigger or Fulci's Beyond or insert critically acclaimed work that went out of print and was next to impossible to read online let alone find in stores, forcing you to have to pray a second hand store or libraries might have copies of the series or find it dirt cheap on Ebay/Yahoo Auction. And that once you read it, you might get a couple of chuckles but it's dated as fuck and more to the point, not worth the hassle to find it or the money you spent buying old copies from the 80s.

I'd also make a case Bloom County would probably be 100% forgotten had Breathed not resurrected it as a favor to one of his syndicate friends (who had been complaining about how papers were dropping and shrinking the Sunday comic strip pages down to a couple of boomer strips run on a single newspaper page) via Opus. It proved profitable enough and raised awareness of the original series, that companies eventually got Breathed (who had explicitly kept the series out of print, partly out of a weird self-awareness of how dated the work was) to license it and Outlandout for re-issue in the 2010s.

As for the politics of Bloom County, I should note that A. Reagan was pretty much untouchable in the 80s, in the same way TPTB today have an unwritten rule that you can not EVER make fun of Biden. So there was a novelty in Bloom County making fun of Republicans/Reagan and B. they also made fun of liberal Boomers back when they were still thinking they were hot shit and still ruling the world.
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American satire becomes propaganda really quick. Something like Spitting Image or the Viz is way better, sorry burgers. You guys still have better stand up and tv drama tho
 
MirrorNoir said:
Rage of Ultron is a horrible horrible book, existing solely because Remender was pissy as fuck that other writers (rightfully) ignored one of his last storylines on Secret Avengers where he had Hank Pym get maimed and turned into a cyborg. It rendered Pym irrevocably radioactive in terms of fusing him with Ultron, daming him to a fate worse than death and open season for everyone and their mothers having the Avengers shit on Pym and proclaim "we never liked him/always hated him" as they brutalize Pymtron to their heart's content. Not to mention the giant fuck you where they explicitly destroyed Hank's soul so that he can never be brought back.

Speaking so spoilers and shit

X-Men #16

Rather than killed and mutilate Caliban to make a vest for him to wear, Forge simply had Mr Sinister secretly create a new Caliban clone behind everyone's back as far as pushing Forge into Beast-territory in regards to sociopathy.

Also, we get Havok and Firestar bashing with Magic "dumping" Firestar at Avengers Mansion at the start of the issue's fight against a member of the Children of the Vault and "forgetting" to bring her back until Jean ordered her to teleport her back to the team and Magik being super snotty towards Firestar afterwards when she confronted her.

Also, Havok continues to be treated as an obnoxious hothead who everyone hates as he finds out that Scott didn't want him on the team and that the only reason Alex is an X-Man right now is Forge forced Scott to put him on the team as payback for drafting Forge against his will to work as part of Scott's group purely because he "knew Alex would be a fuck up and watching Scott deal with Alex would humor Forge who would rather be back in X-Force doing evil fucking shit".

Oh and apparently OC X23 from the previous Hickman series who was presumed dead, is alive and in stasis, meaning Synch's about to get his wish to get his crush back in his arms. And make X23 regret pushing for allowing clones to get brought back on Krakoa.

Also Miracleman Silver Age #1 finally fucking dropped and it's boring as fuck. A bunch of young teen heroes fight a Galactus knock-off as Young Miracleman wakes up post-Resurrection and finds out his entire life is a lie.
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Rage of Ultron has some actual good writing amongst a lot of things. I'll defend it because it treats Ultron as an actual threat and I honestly like Ultron being ultra violent due to being borne of Pym's fractured psyche.

The X-Men is just fucking boring. You know where shit is going and it's not satisfying, a villain beating the X-Men despite their savescumming would be fun. The entire thing is just the X-Men beating their enemies without any struggle and their inter-personal conflict is bland.
 
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