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[DaBigBopper]

What? No - the point is that if there hadn't been light before then they wouldn't have eyes. Eyes are complex organs which evolved to perceive light. No light, no evolution of eyes. This comic has all these creatures having eyes before light existed.

Oh, that is retarded. Slott literally retconned it so the first light of the universe was called Dawn?

 

[MirrorNoir]

Future Foundation (titled FF) with Allred came about in 2013 IIRC; the Ant Man movie was several years down the line (to the point some fans speculated that Marvel put Scott on the team so they could have new Scott Lang content for when the movie came out).

It's tied to Fraction's Fantastic Four run, where he had the team go into outer space. At the time, Fraction only wanted to write the main book (F4), as FF continued after it's initial 12 issue run due to Hickman's run selling as well as it did. But he got saddled with FF too and the edict that Scott would be looking after Reed's gaggle of super science kids while he was in space.

It's a decent run and is the first time in a while (not counting Children's Crusade) where they acknowledge and wrote Doom properly (IE as a major league super villain who's "honor" is nothing more than good PR). The first couple of issues are a bit of a struggle (in particular, Allred has to deal with the fact that Hickman DESPISED Children's Crusade and the reveal that Doom did M-Day and was the one who forced Wanda to carry out the destruction of the Avengers, combined with murdering Cassie Lang and not only refused to acknowledge Doom's crimes, including child murder, but also had Reed and fucking Magneto, palling around with Doom after Children's Crusade; though the closest he could get was Reed being awkard as fuck in Scott's presence given how he was palling around and having adventures with the man who murdered Scott's kid after it happened and the implication Reed was giving him custody of the kids as a bribe to keep him from complaining about his inappropriate as fuck behavior).

In the end, Scott fucks Doom up big time and then some, having Eternity fix Doom's face but explicitly cursing him so that EVERY TIME Doom does something evil, no matter how small and petty, his face will disfigure itself like a reverse Portrait of Dorian Grey (Hickman sadly refused to acknowledge this and pretty much ignored the Ant Man FF run outright in his usage of Doom in Avengers out of spite that Allred shat all over his Doom masturbation fest).

The run also ended with a teaser for Cassie possibly coming back as a Wonder Man type super-heroine, via a longwinded explanation about how Pym's powers are tied to Ionic Powers and shit that is pure Allred/Madman level science wank. Sadly, Marvel ignored this for more Doom Wank by having Nick Spencer, writing a fill-in arc in Avengers World (IIRC the name of the Hickman Avengers spin-off) during AXIS, where an inverted Doctor Doom uses an old invention to gain Godhood (this time for the good of all mankind) and after a huge brawl with USAgent, an inverted Scarlet Witch, Magneto, Quicksilver, and Brother Voodoo; decided to use what little Godhood power he had left to wholesale resurrect Cassie and teleported her back to Scott's house.

As for MJ, Marvel's hate for her comes from several things:

1. Stan Lee basically pulled a power move to get MJ and Peter married in the comic strip and forced Marvel to follow suit. People like Brevoort have LONG hated Lee for this, as it was one of his last examples of him using his pull and influence at Marvel to affect the status quo for a major title.

2. MJ is hated by Gwen fans who still exist and who are still bitter she's dead

3. There are people (Quesada and Slott) who both hate the idea of Peter being happy let alone hate MJ's very existence since "people like her don't marry losers like Peter" and in the case of Slott, treat MJ like an incel would treat a "Stacy" cliche due to them being rejected by women like MJ.

4. The fact that with Peter married, they can't do dating stories, let alone create new characters for royalties who in media adaptations would earn them money. Not to mention that (as in the case of Gerry Conway when he came back to Spider-Man in the late 80s) you have middle aged writers in bad marriages or who have divorced who hate the idea of writing a happily married couple.

 

[DaBigBopper]

Yeah, but how does that relate with Spiderman and his adventures? Just being a seamstress and being with Peter for a job doesn't mean MJ gets to participate in the bulk of the book, that is, Peter being Spider-man, that is what we are here for.

And of course, the same could be said about aunt May, or any of the supporting cast, but there was no stuggle to write aunt May because she ain't that important to Peter's story. Yes, she is Peter's mother for intents and purposes, and she does provide some purpose and drama for the story, like her being in her death bead or having bills to pay, but you could go on with a book for months without her showing up because not only Peter is already a grown ass man, keeping his Spider-man life from her also means she doesn't have a stake on whatever Spider-man does.

MJ... ain't so simple. She worked well at the start because she was the third piece of the triangle that pushed Spiderman to be a hit with teenagers in the 60's, turns out people like the Archie, Betty and Veronica dynamic and it was clever of Lee and Romita to use it, and turns out that if you use soap opera elements on you super-hero comics, they tend to work well, Claremont would be doing the same later on with the X-men.

And so the romance and such worked well because it was the juggle between Peter and his Spiderman life and how he managed them both, you know the drama stuff, and for this purpose, it was pretty clear her role in the story, to be one of Peter's love interest, to see if she and Peter will be togther, and that is the exciting part of it, that is why the heroes usually "get" the girl by the very end of the story.

Then Gwen died and Peter married MJ and now what? She knows Peter is Spiderman and aside from being the dame in distress in some stories or helping out in some tangential way in others, you could tell that they were struggling to find something for MJ to do, and you can't just write her as Aunt May, someone Peter occasionaly visits from time to time, she is a major part of Peter's life but not really Spiderman's.

Like most of the fans, I love MJ, and I couldn't help to smile when she was back in Spenser's run, but, like I said, I kinda unserstand why writers don't want her around, it is easier to write Spiderman going on this long crazy adventures, or doing the stupid shit he did on the Slott's run, or joining the Fantastic Four and shit if Peter doesn't have a wife to return to.

What can I say, Spiderman is 60 goddamned year old, and he never got a break from a ongoing story (with multiple books and events as well), there is no earthly way to keep a story that continues building on lore and drama going for this long without things going out of rail.

In a ideal world, Peter Parker's story should have ended when he married MJ, yes he would still be Spiderman and going to fight crime and stuff, but that we would not have to see, the send off would be that we get to see the hero get the girl he loves and be happy ever after, and we don't need to see said after, because it ain't interesting.

She doesn't need to be fully involved. She just balances his life by being aware of both sides of his struggles. If you want her to be supportive then have her be adjacent to superheroes without being one.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

Yeah, but how does that relate with Spiderman and his adventures? Just being a seamstress and being with Peter for a job doesn't mean MJ gets to participate in the bulk of the book, that is, Peter being Spider-man, that is what we are here for.

"MJ. Wake up, MJ."

"Mm. Peter...? What is it? What's that jar for?"

"It's a spider, MJ. I've got a spider in the jar."

"Okay, let it outside then."

"I can't do that MJ. It's a very special spider."

"What are you talking about, Peter?"

"I took it to Reed's lab, MJ. I exposed it to high levels of radiation. It's a very radioactive spider, MJ."

"Uh, tiger...?"

"I worry about you, MJ. Spider-Man keeps me away from home too much, and sometimes leads monsters like Norman Osborn back. I can't keep letting Spider-Man leave you at home. I need you with me, MJ. I need you by my side. Spider-Man needs you by his side, where a good wife should be, MJ."

"Peter, what...?"

"My little friend here will solve our problem, MJ. He'll make you strong. He'll protect you, MJ. We'll all protect you, MJ. Him and me and Spider-Man."

"Wait, Peter, what are you saying?"

"It'll hurt a little, MJ. But then it'll be so much fun. You'll see, MJ. Give me your hand, MJ."

This
Radioactive spunk
Or ten more years of Dan Slott
Take your pick.

 

[Nick Obre]

Future Foundation (titled FF) with Allred came about in 2013 IIRC; the Ant Man movie was several years down the line (to the point some fans speculated that Marvel put Scott on the team so they could have new Scott Lang content for when the movie came out).

The Ant-Man movie was supposed to come out way before it did, before even Avengers, which was 2012 (in fact Ant-Man and Wasp were supposed to be in Avengers). I'm almost certain they brought him back in Children's Crusade because of orders from higher up in preparation for the movie, before its development got derailed. And from the same idea, for sure you're right about why they put Scott on the team.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

I would say yes for Liz Allen, not so much for MJ. I agree that Peter was a straight arrow and would never cheat on Gwen, and he was very much into her, but I wouldn't say that for MJ, at first Peter was very much attracted to her, even if he had eyes already on Gwen:

But after that, yeah, I would agree that Peter was very much into Gwen and MJ served to cause jealousy on Gwen and spice up some of the scenes (MJ was also dating Harry as well):

Yes, MJ existed and was a flirt. But there was no love triangle and Peter was never really confused as to who he wanted during Stan Lee's run, especially once he began actually dating Gwen which was very early in the Romita era. There was no Betty and Veronica set-up there.

And dude, Peter and Mary Jane married way after both Conway and Wein runs, it was in 1987 (I was surprised when I look it up, I thought it was much earlier as well), the issue the writters were having was not to write MJ as a flirt or a date, but as a wife.

I know that but during Len Wein's run they were in a regular, monogamous relationship. He had no problem fitting in their relationship or making use of MJ. Conway's concurrent Web & Spectacular runs were after they were married. His original run was what initially set-up their relationship wherein she was a major supporting character and, again, he had no problem finding a use for her. Then you also have writers like Tom DeFalco, DeMatteis, Peter David, and JMS who had no problem making use of MJ or their relationship.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

She doesn't need to be fully involved. She just balances his life by being aware of both sides of his struggles. If you want her to be supportive then have her be adjacent to superheroes without being one.

Yeah she doesn't have to be around and involved all the time. The implication was that she had her own life(she's not just sitting at home) and sometimes they dipped into that with b-stories that could be a fun break from whatever was going on or just "flavor pages" where we see Peter decompress in a normal setting at home as opposed to the crazy shit Spider-Man went through earlier. We don't even see everything that Peter/Spidey does and he's the main character, so why would MJ need equal pagetime? She was fine as it was.

There was also a while where the new hot thing at Marvel seemed to be to just torture Peter in dark and edgy story arcs, if it was one arc that would be fine but back-to-back-to-back and it gets weird.

 

[Foltest]

anyone familiare with the youtube channel Comictropes? I have been a fan of his content for a long time and his videos about lesser known comic creators (like the guy who created Stardust) is pretty dope.

 

[Water-T]

What? No - the point is that if there hadn't been light before then they wouldn't have eyes. Eyes are complex organs which evolved to perceive light. No light, no evolution of eyes. This comic has all these creatures having eyes before light existed.

Even Green Lantern got this shit right. A prospective GL living in a sector of space where no light existed had no eyes, and certain words like "light' and "color" had no meaning which resulted in the ring not being able to translate "Green Lantern" to him. Instead, since his race processes senses via sound, his ring was turned into a bell that made constructs out of the F sharp sound.

 

[40 Year Old Boomer]

Even Green Lantern got this shit right. A prospective GL living in a sector of space where no light existed had no eyes, and certain words like "light' and "color" had no meaning which resulted in the ring not being able to translate "Green Lantern" to him. Instead, since his race processes senses via sound, his ring was turned into a bell that made constructs out of the F sharp sound.

One of Alan Moore's better moments.

 

[ChampFantana]

I don't give a shit if they're considered non-canon, I love the Star Wars Crimson Empire comic books. Kir Kanos may just be my favorite Star Wars character.

 

[MirrorNoir]

I don't give a shit if they're considered non-canon, I love the Star Wars Crimson Empire comic books. Kir Kanos may just be my favorite Star Wars character.

I have the DH omnibus hardcover (wish I had gotten the Dark Empire version too, especially since the Epic Collection reprinting it goes for big bucks). And we are kind of lucky that Kir Kanos is one of the few SW off-limits to the greater Extended Universe writers (DH had a deal in place where only his creator could use him).

 

[Tor Lugosi]

lmao Bendis turned Richard Fish into Fredo. Even the art makes him look like Fredo. Richard Fisk, who was once Rose the Chad, a guy who fought Spider-Man and a dozen other heroes and villains, is now a balding, emasculated backstabber... who gets shot to death by his mom. Speaking of that, I don't buy Vanessa killing Richard, she always seemed to love him more than she did Wilson Fisk. Killing the other betrayers, selling off the empire, sure, I can see her doing that but killing Richard was a bridge too far. Should've had her just dress him down like she does and it causes him to commit suicide.

Still, even with the continuity problems (and other issues, like treating costumed villains largely as jokes) this is probably largely my favorite DD run since Miller's. I like the noir style and the focus on the legal & law stuff, although if I were reading this back when it was being published I probably would've went crazy. Bendis' decompressed storytelling style makes it so that you only feel like you've gotten a decent story per story arc rather than per issue. I've read up to #50, with the next story arc by David Mack focusing on Echo again, and after that is the second half of Bendis' run. I've heard the second half is noticeably weaker.

 

[DaBigBopper]

lmao Bendis turned Richard Fish into Fredo. Even the art makes him look like Fredo. Richard Fisk, who was once Rose the Chad, a guy who fought Spider-Man and a dozen other heroes and villains, is now a balding, emasculated backstabber... who gets shot to death by his mom. Speaking of that, I don't buy Vanessa killing Richard, she always seemed to love him more than she did Wilson Fisk. Killing the other betrayers, selling off the empire, sure, I can see her doing that but killing Richard was a bridge too far. Should've had her just dress him down like she does and it causes him to commit suicide.

Still, even with the continuity problems (and other issues, like treating costumed villains largely as jokes) this is probably largely my favorite DD run since Miller's. I like the noir style and the focus on the legal & law stuff, although if I were reading this back when it was being published I probably would've went crazy. Bendis' decompressed storytelling style makes it so that you only feel like you've gotten a decent story per story arc rather than per issue. I've read up to #50, with the next story arc by David Mack focusing on Echo again, and after that is the second half of Bendis' run. I've heard the second half is noticeably weaker.

His Noir writing sucks because he does the Law and Order bullshit where even the legal authorities break the law to force his morality. I generally don't give a shit about the costumes because in setting they generally made sense. Daredevil used to be old boxing shit and a morph suit, Spider-Man and Hawkeye from their days as entertainers, Antman because the growing and shrinking cased strains, Cap for Propaganda, Iron Man was literally just a suit of armor. Most other people also had excuses like Iron Fist wearing old ass Kung Fu robes or Luke Cage literally playing off an image thing.

Fuck Bendis for screwing with Luke with his self-insert with her ugly assbaby.

 

[Bolo]

I'll say that Bendis left a good set up for Brubaker and his Devil in cell block D, he sure took his sweet time, but, you know, if you are used to, you can get behind some streched out story, not to mention that I will always take a story that may lag to get to the point but sets everything up rather than a rushed mess (to a point).

I'm no Daredevil specialist, I only got to read the classics bits from Miller and Nocenti and so on from the Bendis stuff, so my frame of reference might not be the best, but I think Bendis did a good job, I was buying the floppies on the reg and I even got to go and buy the end of days mini series back when I wsan't doing much of floppies anymore.

Yeah the "noir talk" seems like a pastiche from a Chandler novel, but the fun was there.

People say this was Bendis last good work before he became what he is now, and while I don't follow a lot of his work, and I mainly know him from his Ultimate Spiderman, Daredevil and Civil War stuff (and Alias... but I can't recall much of Alias to be frank besides the Purple Man). So, again, not the best frame of reference, but I did read some of his issues of his Iron Man run and I gotta say, what happened?

It wasn't just bad, it felt lazy, as if the first draft was what went on it. I wasn't the biggest Bendis fan, but man you could tell his text had some labout behind it, but the iron Man shit? So, what was up with that? got too big to care about capeshit, resented no getting his hollywood deals Millar style? Jeez I understand writers falling out of style, but Bendis' case felt like something other than that.

 

[MirrorNoir]

I should note that Bendis was forced against his will to leave his DD run with DD in jail. He basically was dead on continuing to control Daredevil via New Avengers; Ronin was supposed to be Daredevil with a new status quo of Daredevil living in Japan as a fugitive and a new secret identity and Brubaker forced to play clean-up as Matt joins the Avengers under his new persona while Brubaker would be handcuffed with a Japan setting and writing filler where Daredevil OCCASSIONALLY puts on is DD costume to fight crime in Japan.

It's why Bendis' DD run ends with a "fuck you" ending of one of Bendis's FBI self-inserts lecturing DD and Kingpin about how they suck due to them not being realistic enough for Bendis' writing because Bendis DESPERATELY wanted to be the next James Ellroy but was laughed out of publishing and forced to write super hero comics for a living.

Also, Bendis is a pretty big fascist type nihilist in that a ton of his writing revolves around the whole notion of "Might Makes Right" as far as thinking the strongest more nasty bastard should have all of the power and that actual honest to goodness altruist heroes are literal retards that must be shamed and made pariahs for being "weak" and "stupid about how the world really works".

Hence why he had Norman Osborn run rough shot over over the Marvel Universe and why he was an "Iron Man Did Nothing Wrong" apologist post-Civil War and made a huge deal over Iron Man putting Wolverine on the Avengers EXPLICITLY because Logan is a murderer, which was a huge fucking slap on the face of Cap and Avengers fans since one of the reasons for the longstanding tension between Cap and Wolverine was that Cap could not stand the fact that Logan casually killed his enemies and even telling Logan to his face, he'd never be allowed on the Avengers so long as Cap was around BECAUSE Logan kills.

This is the same guy who made a huge point about Ultimate Nick Fury gleefully telling Ultimate Peter Parker that he's going to be Nick Fury's slave, killing people and doing god knows what kind of wetwork operations once he turne 18 and could legally be forced to join SHIELD, Peter's own dreams of his future be damned. And when one of Ultimate Nick Fury's schemes backfired on him so badly that Peter had to save him and Nick was in a position where he would probably have to kill Peter to ensure that anyone who could implicate him was dead to cover his ass, you had MJ (in a scene Bendis later explicitly stated was 100% sincere and not her playing to Nick's ego/vanity) beg for Peter's life by claiming he admired and respected Nick and would NEVER EVER EVER narc on him no matter what kind of beyond the pale illegal shit he caught Nick dead to rights doing.

Oh and the initial Kingpin arc in Ultimates, where Peter brings down Wilson Fisk and is treated like a literal pedophile by Ben Ulrich and the Daily Bugle staff, who spent the entire arc begging Peter not to confront Fisk (who had before the story, bought a sizable minority share of ownership of the Bugle; enough of a share to not control the paper outright, but to ensure any coverage of his criminal activities had to be spiked). Because even though they all acknowledge "Wilson Fisk is a crook who needs to be brought down", they immediately go into "How dare you get rid of honest Fisk! How Dare You! Now who's going to run the city's crime syndicates? Someone worse than Fisk that's who!".

Or his treatment of the Avengers with Wonder Man as his expy claiming how the Avengers were the cause of all of humanity's troubles and how he decimated the classic line-up to replace them with sociopaths, murderers, and amoral psychopaths. Or how he brutally killed off Ultimate Peter Parker, pretty much the only non-psychopaths in the Ultimate Universe as far as (at worst) Peter dying BECAUSE he was a moral fag and, at best, dying because in a world where psychopaths were the normal, dying at a young age and facing a future where he'd be forced to kill and god knows what else, dying young was the only "happy ending" he could expect.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

My biggest issue with Bendis is his belief that continuity should never matter, not even in his own runs, because it "makes the story better" which editors at Marvel have also defended since it's their job to keep the canon somewhat on track and they never did. He also doesn't plan. He outright contradicts his previous stories, makes things up as he goes along, and expects the reader to just go with it because you're wrong to expect consistency. One of the worst was the Hobgoblin storyline of Ultimate Spiderman where he reveals that before Pete got bitten, MJ and Harry Osborn were dating and neither, despite being Peter's friend, ever told him about it because... because. Speaking of which, the Ultimate Comics Spiderman had an interesting idea of having a bunch of superheroes living under one roof... and Bendis didn't do anything with it. Then Peter is told he needs to be taught how to be a superhero by Ultimate Iron Man, Captain America and Thor... and Peter gets killed off in the middle of that storyline so Miles can come in.

If you got me going, I could fill out ten posts at the character limit of things that Bendis did that pissed me off... But I still like his early stuff. Never read his Image comics he did before he joined Marvel, I heard Sam and Twitch was good, but he was one of the reasons I got into Marvel comics and I still enjoy his Daredevil, Alias, and Ultimate Spiderman runs. Even New Avengers, though his team books tend to have the most glaring issues.

 

[Bolo]

It's why Bendis' DD run ends with a "fuck you" ending of one of Bendis's FBI self-inserts lecturing DD and Kingpin about how they suck due to them not being realistic enough for Bendis' writing because Bendis DESPERATELY wanted to be the next James Ellroy

Does Bendis also want to have James Ellroys political takes?

My biggest issue with Bendis is his belief that continuity should never matter, not even in his own runs, because it "makes the story better" which editors at Marvel have also defended since it's their job to keep the canon somewhat on track and they never did. He also doesn't plan. He outright contradicts his previous stories, makes things up as he goes along, and expects the reader to just go with it because you're wrong to expect consistency. One of the worst was the Hobgoblin storyline of Ultimate Spiderman where he reveals that before Pete got bitten, MJ and Harry Osborn were dating and neither, despite being Peter's friend, ever told him about it because... because. Speaking of which, the Ultimate Comics Spiderman had an interesting idea of having a bunch of superheroes living under one roof... and Bendis didn't do anything with it. Then Peter is told he needs to be taught how to be a superhero by Ultimate Iron Man, Captain America and Thor... and Peter gets killed off in the middle of that storyline so Miles can come in.

If you got me going, I could fill out ten posts at the character limit of things that Bendis did that pissed me off... But I still like his early stuff. Never read his Image comics he did before he joined Marvel, I heard Sam and Twitch was good, but he was one of the reasons I got into Marvel comics and I still enjoy his Daredevil, Alias, and Ultimate Spiderman runs. Even New Avengers, though his team books tend to have the most glaring issues.

Hahaha! I remeber that!

Ten issues later, Peter is dead, !!

When reading that, I remember being kinda mad, I say kinda because I was already phasing out from the capeshit comics, I was also reading Blakiest night and thought that was a good spot to finish reading DC, and I liked Civil War enough to see it as a nice point to drop off as well, not to mention I was too old to actually get upset about a fucking comic book.

But Ultimate Spiderman was fine on it's own, and I've been with the comic since the start, and the best thing, if you wanted to ignore the rest of the ultimate universe nonsense bullshit, you could do so (for the most part), Ultimate Spiderman felt very self-contained (again, for the most part), and the story felt like it was going places and maybe even to a nice conclusion, like with Peter and MJ slinging away into the sunset.

But nah, Sinister six shows up at Peter's door and the Green Goblin murder his ass, awesome Bendis, love it!

And that is one thing that I don't see people saying when they talk about how Miles Morales has a hard time to catch on with the audiences, because the way he was introduced seemed so bizarre.

Up till then, Ultimate Spiderman was very well liked, even had a rather popular videogame at the time and had a Disney XD cartoon on the pipes, and then bam! the character everybody liked is dead and here is a black kid to replace him.

It isn't even the case about hating Miles, I don't, it is more about screwing the readers out of a series they liked, Bendis and the Marvel editors must have been on bathsalts to think the readers would just welcome Miles with open arms after being screwed like that.

In a way, i kinda feel bad for Miles, because he never really got a shot of being it's own character, and tries as they may, he will always be stuck as a Peter Parker variant.

And most sad of all, Miles still is the most popular and successful character out of this Marvel initiative to diversify their cast of heroes and yet he can't even be known as "Spider-man":

Still, the money must be good right Bendis?

 

[DaBigBopper]

@MirrorNoir Did you spam your keyboard or just the server fucked up when you posted your message.

My biggest issue with Bendis is his belief that continuity should never matter, not even in his own runs, because it "makes the story better" which editors at Marvel have also defended since it's their job to keep the canon somewhat on track and they never did. He also doesn't plan. He outright contradicts his previous stories, makes things up as he goes along, and expects the reader to just go with it because you're wrong to expect consistency. One of the worst was the Hobgoblin storyline of Ultimate Spiderman where he reveals that before Pete got bitten, MJ and Harry Osborn were dating and neither, despite being Peter's friend, ever told him about it because... because. Speaking of which, the Ultimate Comics Spiderman had an interesting idea of having a bunch of superheroes living under one roof... and Bendis didn't do anything with it. Then Peter is told he needs to be taught how to be a superhero by Ultimate Iron Man, Captain America and Thor... and Peter gets killed off in the middle of that storyline so Miles can come in.

If you got me going, I could fill out ten posts at the character limit of things that Bendis did that pissed me off... But I still like his early stuff. Never read his Image comics he did before he joined Marvel, I heard Sam and Twitch was good, but he was one of the reasons I got into Marvel comics and I still enjoy his Daredevil, Alias, and Ultimate Spiderman runs. Even New Avengers, though his team books tend to have the most glaring issues.

I never understood why people liked Alias or Ultimate Spider-Man. I never read his Daredevil because I hated his fucking style of writing. Alias is just so damn boring, yeah the bit about her being a loser and being retconned into Spider-Man's highschool is funny because she masturbates to a poster, her being a shitty PI, and then she gets fucked by Luke Cage to fulfil being Bendis's self-insert. Her baby is literally an assbaby, too.

Ultimate Spider-Man was literally him ripping better stories off and modernizing them. Anytime he tried to do anything original it sucked. I hated the Meta shit with the Spider-Man Movie both now and then. It's not cute when it's terrible.

 

[The Token Ethnic]

Finally got Red Room Trigger Warnings #4 (local comic shop forgot to order it and finally got their copy in this week). After reading it and it's plot (which includes a zinger that explicitly states Steven Spielberg is a sick fuck who pays cryptocurrency to watch people murder other people on the Dark Web) I wonder how long until Piskor gets canceled due to the fact that he's going hard on the whole "the elites are sick fucks who use their money to finance the murder of poor people for their amusement" angle with Red Room.

I doubt it. Piskor did the Hip Hop Family Tree comics which gained him a lot of praise. If anything, he'd probably be called out for his wigger aesthetic as cultural appropriation. Speaking of Fantagraphics and edgy cartoonists, your post reminded me that a lot of these artists have moved on to less offensive work. Ivan Brunetti really calmed down and went on to make children's books which is quite surprising. Now, I can't picture Dan Clowes pulling something like that off, but if Johnny Ryan could create a kid's show for Nickelodeon... anything's possible. Ryan still puts out his juvenile, offensive stuff on instagram and even creates artwork for certain cult film reissues. He recently did one for the upcoming blu-ray of Heavy Metal Parking Lot. As for Fantagraphics, the last offensive thing that I can recall them releasing was the Fukitor collection, which is now out of print.