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Kup said:
Earth One: Wonder Woman is what happens when you let a writer do whatever he wants because of past merits.
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Apparently the reason Greg Rucka quit DC to go write Punisher for Marvel was because he was told he could have the WW book, but then they gave it to Morrison because he decided he wanted it so he could do a lecture on bondage.

Rucka doing the book... I don't know, I've liked a lot of his stuff and his original WW run is one of the few times I actually bought the book regularly. But I feel like it might have just been a retread of that. The reason the Earth One books worked, for me at least, is they were by creators who usually didn't do these characters. A Batgirl Earth One book by Gail Simone would be exactly what we've seen in Birds of Prey and her New 52 Batgirl.

But for the most part I liked the Earth One books, or at least found them interesting, and do wish DC had done more with them or at least made sure there was less than a one year gap between releases. But it looks like none of them are ever going to reach volume 4.
 
Registration said:
I kinda like reading Batman one because bruce is treated like a retard with a dream. He clearly have no clue about what to do but still does anyway.
I really like the cat part in Superman Earth one. And unusual opinion but I will say regardless: Krypton being blown up by someone is way fucking better than just being natural explosion, it just doesn't make sense with the idea that krypton was a super-science populated country to happen naturally.
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Earth One Zod and his arc was the best the character has been since his reintroduction to modern continuity.
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I dig the Michael Shannon influence on the design as well.

Earth One Batman was “anti-batwank” and it was glorious, at his core he’s a fuckup with a dream.
Arthur Morgan said:
Apparently the reason Greg Rucka quit DC to go write Punisher for Marvel was because he was told he could have the WW book, but then they gave it to Morrison because he decided he wanted it so he could do a lecture on bondage.

Rucka doing the book... I don't know, I've liked a lot of his stuff and his original WW run is one of the few times I actually bought the book regularly. But I feel like it might have just been a retread of that. The reason the Earth One books worked, for me at least, is they were by creators who usually didn't do these characters. A Batgirl Earth One book by Gail Simone would be exactly what we've seen in Birds of Prey and her New 52 Batgirl.

But for the most part I liked the Earth One books, or at least found them interesting, and do wish DC had done more with them or at least made sure there was less than a one year gap between releases. But it looks like none of them are ever going to reach volume 4.
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I like the idea of Ultimate-ized, stand-alones for the traditional characters. With non-standard writers lending their take on these icons without the trappings of the fuk-huge continuity.

Grant Morrison really hurt Earth One as a brand with his big-brained kink shit.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Earth-One Batman is the only one I read and outside of the added connection to Arkham (which was such a good idea that I'm doubtful Johns was the first to come up with it), I didn't like it at all.
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I thought it was decent but I only read the first one. Normally DC stuff bores me to tears with the exception of some of their alternate stories like Kingdom Come. Superman Earth One was also pretty fun, as was All Star Superman. Hitman doesn't count as a mainline DC thing.

Anyone else read All Star Batman? I kind of liked it. It was extremely stupid.
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If Moonknight wasn't such a brooding sourpuss and instead did coke all day, eventually getting into the moon mobile and to look for fights he would probably be like that.
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
I thought it was decent but I only read the first one. Normally DC stuff bores me to tears with the exception of some of their alternate stories like Kingdom Come. Superman Earth One was also pretty fun, as was All Star Superman. Hitman doesn't count as a mainline DC thing.

Anyone else read All Star Batman? I kind of liked it. It was extremely stupid.
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If Moonknight wasn't such a brooding sourpuss and instead did coke all day, eventually getting into the moon mobile and to look for fights he would probably be like that.
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It was far smarter than people give it credit for. There's a ton of call outs and references that Miller had Lee putting in. That page with Canary in the bar with the dynamite stick? The yellow room with GL? Gold.

I'd take ASBAR over the bland, boring shit Johns, Snyder, and Tynion pour out.
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
I thought it was decent but I only read the first one. Normally DC stuff bores me to tears with the exception of some of their alternate stories like Kingdom Come. Superman Earth One was also pretty fun, as was All Star Superman. Hitman doesn't count as a mainline DC thing.

Anyone else read All Star Batman? I kind of liked it. It was extremely stupid.
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I also enjoyed it.

I think part of the reason was that I basically ignored it until issue 9, the Green Lantern one, and gave that a read. If you jump into it from there, it almost seems like a deconstruction of the modern edgy Batman who doesn't work well with people, pointing out how stupid it is to be needlessly antagonistic and what type of influence this would have on Robin. Then I read the trade with this in mind and I ended up liking the whole story better than most people did. Yes, that likely wasn't Miller's intention and he probably only said it was a parody as a way to deflect the criticism, but that interpretation does work.

I wish they'd finished it. Apparently Jim Lee did have the script for issue 11 and just got too busy with DC Online and the New 52 to finish drawing it, but I want to know where Miller was going because it was so batshit.
 
I have to think that on some level, Morrison and Miller DESPISED the idea of DC doing an Ultimate line and explicitly went out of their way to scorch earth it by refusing to do a shared universe and making it utterly new reader unfriendly (with Morrison basically making the series a stealth quasi-sequel to DC One Million and Miller... going into unintentional parody).

Ironically, Byrne's criticism of ASB&R turned out to be right even when filtered through his own selfish egotism. Apparently, when Byrne returned to DC in the early 00s and did his abortion of a Doom Patrol run and later, drawing a portion of Gail Simones's Action Comics run, Byrne pitched to DC a new Batman book called "Batman and Robin" that would have had focused on Bruce and Tim having adventures together. Supposedly Byrne came up with the idea when he found out that NO ONE in the Batman office wanted Robin in the main Batbooks, let alone having old school adventures alongside Bruce and preferred having Robin isolated to his own book and Teen Titans. DC turned him down, but then greenlit Miller's book and this caused Byrne to get super upset that DC repurposed his "idea" for another writer, for a non-continuity book at that.....
 
Francis York Morgan said:
Because DC felt they needed a black superhero in the Justice League. Reading those comics, Cyborg is so out of place among the rest and it's clear that they have no ideas for the character beyond "he's the black guy of the team" for their marketing.

As for Suicide Squad,
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What are we some kind of……?
Also black lightning has taken the place for cyborg these days, especially in cartoons and tv.
Dc really shot themselves in the foot when they fucked over Moore for the watchmen rights, then they cut off their own nose to spite their fan base when it came to doomsday clock. Then they just doubled down on the retardation with the death/ heavy metal events and le epic Batman who laughs XD,
now their just running though the numbers of trying to pump up black Adam for his movie with le epic Dwaine rock Johnson 🤨
It’s just a matter of time before the cycle repeats, don’t get me wrong marvel isn’t that much better but at least they gave miracleman to Neil gaiman and let in be since it’s so dangerous to their established superhero ideas, at least he’s an author I can get behind. Also I haven’t read Sandman past volume one so don’t worry I’m talking about his real books.
 
jspit2.0 said:
It was far smarter than people give it credit for. There's a ton of call outs and references that Miller had Lee putting in. That page with Canary in the bar with the dynamite stick? The yellow room with GL? Gold.

I'd take ASBAR over the bland, boring shit Johns, Snyder, and Tynion pour out.
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My problem is that with Snyder, Tynion, or Johns it's never Batman/ Bruce being a detective. I'd like Batman appearing unsympathetic because Bruce is a guarded person. It's always some gay shit where he's personally emotionally invested 90% of the time and the other 10% will eventually drag in emotional investment. It's the worse part of true crime, but with the autistic interconnectedness of comics.
 
Amazing Spider-Man #900 was better than the previous 5 issues but outside the fluff, a dire warning that we are officially back in the Brand New Day era of fail and AIDS, complete with the recent announcement that Slott's slithered back into the vineyard with his own secondary Spider-Man book, which he had tried to get greenlit when Spencer first took over Amazing to try and undercut Spencer's run.

It's no wonder Marvel's announced a huge slate of X-Men related junk and Venom crossover crap (Dark Web supposedly will involve Venom's book as well as X-Men), along with featuring MJ heavily in promotional artwork for Dark Web along with perenial waifu Maddie Pryor. Though given how the editor of the Spider-Man books has made it clear that he intends on scorching the earth with Ben out of jealousy over the fact that more people like Ben over Miles, along with Kaine still being persona non grata, I have to wonder how much damage Dark Web's going to do to everyone involved as far as Nick Lowe being in the camp that desperately wants Peter dead so Miles can be the only Spider-Man in town and wanting to undo everything Spencer did to rebuild fan faith after Slott spent a decade salting the earth out of spite and malice.
 
I want some Daredevil recs (collected editions preferred)
Any good storylines featuring Vanessa Fisk, Sister Maggie, potentially Black Widow and or Elektra?
 
MirrorNoir said:
Amazing Spider-Man #900 was better than the previous 5 issues but outside the fluff, a dire warning that we are officially back in the Brand New Day era of fail and AIDS
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Where the FUCK was MJ? Why was Pete's first encounter with Flash after his resurrection just a bunch of awkward "hellos"? Are they seriously trying to get Pete to end up with Black Cat?
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
I want some Daredevil recs (collected editions preferred)
Any good storylines featuring Vanessa Fisk, Sister Maggie, potentially Black Widow and or Elektra?
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I don't know what you read but old Daredevil is good and if you haven't read it Frank Millers origin story is really good and the Frank Miller stuff in general are classic. I've read later(more modern) Daredevil stories but I can't recommend any because I can't remember any of them except for the ones that were crap. Brubaker had an enjoyable run but there's nothing that really pops up.

The dramatic Vanessa Fisk stuff would be late 80's or early 90's I think, things were sometimes released in a strange order over here. For reasons that I will go into now even if no one cares.
Sweden had a fucking sweet deal with Marvel, probably because the market was small and the language made exporting the comics impossible so it would not infringe on any other market. They could pick and choose what to release and it led to things like these
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The Mega line was collected editions in magazine form, 132 pages and cost €3.5. They also collected crossovers into one book for easy reading. There's a Ghost Rider crossover they published that came from Ghost Rider 28-31, Spirits of Vengeance 1, Morbius 1 and Nightstalkers 1. No need for a reading list to figure out where the story went.

The regular Spider-Man(material from all american spider books) and X-men(everything x-men or x-men related) magazines contained maybe three american issues apiece and was released biweekly(I think), so they were burning through material at a rapid pace and there might be a six month period where they published classic material waiting for things to wrap up. The material might be related to the storyline that was going on in the american comics, like running old green goblin and the jackal stories before the clone saga.

First time I picked up an american issue of Spider-Man I was shocked by how thin it was. And how many pages were nothing but adds.
It was a very nice, inexpensive and curated experience.
 
The only good stuff with Vanessa Fisk would be her appearances in Amazing Spider-Man (I don't know the issues off the top of my head) in the late 60s and 70s as she was Kingpin's no-nonsense normie wife that wanted her husband to stop being a gangster that had Kingpin henpecked in those Kingpin/Spidey stories.

When she appeared in Daredevil, she was buried alive/forced to be a CHUD's sex slave, or in a coma. Or worse, under Bendis and Brubaker, she was a glorified dragon lady type villain completely opposite her previous pre-trauma line coma appearance.

Also I don't think anyone has done anything with Sister Maggie due to the wholesale implications of the character being a horrible mom to Matt like she was abandoning him.

As for good DD runs, Nocenti and Chichester (both blend together due to Nocenti leaving abruptly with a lot of storylines unresolved) plus Karl Kessel and Joe Kelly's run. All of these runs are in the Epic line, though the first Nocenti volume (which features the start of her run and some fill-in issues she did when Englehart debacle happened) will be out later this fall.


Water-T said:
Where the FUCK was MJ? Why was Pete's first encounter with Flash after his resurrection just a bunch of awkward "hellos"? Are they seriously trying to get Pete to end up with Black Cat?
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Black Cat is being pushed, because Marvel's slowly realizing that Black Cat is the only love interest MJ/Peter shippers will remotely tolerate. Which is a shame, as Brevoort and Slott DESPISE Black Cat, to the point of having Black Cat being repeatedly raped in prison by a lesbian predator in the Slott run to hammer home "we hate this character and we're going to have her get raped and rather than doing it for cheap sympathy, it's being done to set up her becoming evil".
 
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