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He was a Carolfag, if I remember right. But he liked her back when she was a fuck up who wanted to be popular, not when she got mindwiped again and again because Reed or Kelly Sue De-whatshername needed a clean slate.
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I didn't really feel it because it came out of fucking nowhere. She had been around for like 20 years at that point, almost a decade of having sorta joined the X-Men and talked and behaved normally then Morrison has her bust out the Britishisms because reasons and start behaving like a sleazy whore. I don't really care all that much about Emma Frost to be annoyed about it but if you were a major fan of her character, I can absolutely see why you'd be mega-pissed at what Morrison did to her character.
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If you like that then you'll probably also like Muh Phoenix, a parody of the Avengers vs. X-Men storyline, I'm sure everyone and their dog has read it by now but on the off chance you haven't here's a link
And here's a random page that I think is funny:
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Yeah, Muh Phoenix and I Don't Need Your Civil War are the stated inspirations for Illuminated's parodies. Maybe not in style, but in, you know, doing that.
Incidentally, the author of Muh Phoenix is the same guy who invented the Nuzlocke Pokemon challenge. Also he ended up in jail for a while, I don't know why.
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What was the deal with Psylocke's death? I heard rumors that it wasn't Claremont's decision. I also heard that it was to get back at Queseda or something. AND that apparently Claremont wanted her back immediately but was denied for some shit reason until 4 years later
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The X-Men writer drama honestly at times is more interesting then whatever the fuck happens in the comics. A lot of writers tend to be perverts, but for whatever reason Claremont acted as the Jew lightening rod to get other neurotic Jews to write the X-Men as time goes on (I personally find Gen X and Millennial Jews more insufferable than Baby Boomer Jews in terms of writers in anything today. Feels like they grew up being instilled with all the Holocaust bullshit, but have that Seth Rogan smugness about them). Somehow Byrne in every story I've heard comes across as less of a sperg then Claremont running around so the X-Men could stay his alone. @MirrorNoir Could probably fill you in one the specifics, but if I remember it was Claremont having a hissyfit at Moore or Warren Ellis.
I have a theory that every British writer who writes X-Men is a true cuckold (Claremont, Ellis, Moore, Ewing, Morrison) and the reason that they comics suck so much ass is because the editors over time have also become literal soyboy cuckolds who literally only allow shit that appeals to the tranny that lives with Shantal. Some of the name's I listed are in fact cucks. Moore was a simp and a cuck so I disregard everything he's written and just look at the art. Morrison from what I know is a wannabe Grant who is now an aging 50 year-old who's starting to look like someones aunt and was hanging out with Ezra Miller.
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Claremont got super bored of Asian Psylockes and had a big storyline planned for Xtreme X-Men where Vargas (evil rich swordsman who claims to be the pinnacle of human evolution who wants Destiny's diaries because a psychic told him an X-Man, was destined to kill him kills Betsy and steals her corpse/turns it into a bronzed statue in his evil lair. Which was all a long plan set up to have Betsy resurrect and when her bronzed statue shell broke upon her resurrection, she'd be British/a Kate Bush lookalike again.
But around the time he set up the arc, Morrison got approval to fake kill Magneto and to hammer home the idea that Magneto was REALLY fucking dead forever and not the new masked Chinaman named Xorn that just happened to join the X-Men, Quesada passed a new decree stating "dead is dead" and that going forward ANY dead character could not be resurrected PERIOD.
Which came AFTER Claremont offed Psylockes to set up the resurrection plotline.
Naturally Claremont was pissed the fuck off, not only because Quesada effective fucked him over with no lube since this meant he killed Betsy for absolutely NO reason and now forbidden to backtrack on it. Which was a BIG thing, as Vargas was supposed to be the big bad of Xtreme X-Men and Betsy's death/rebirth a major storyline relating to the Destiny's diaries and the fact that Betsy was supposed to kill Vargas and that by offing her, he basically sealed his own fate in terms of Betsy killing him in return.
Adding to this, you had shit like Bendis in New Avengers and Secret Wars 4 having dead villains show up alive as background characters and Ed Brubaker demanding and being allowed to bring back Bucky. And of course, Morrison bringing back Magneto and bragging about how it was always planned for Magneto's death to be temporary and Whedon being ordered, as a condition of writing X-Men, being told to bring Colossus back to life. Which only made Claremont fucking rage every MORESO at how he got fucked over and fucked over HARD.
Finally, after Morrison left and Whedon brought back Colossus, Quesada THEN finally decreed that Claremont could "bring Betsy back". But by this point, Claremont had been forced to heavily rewrite his plans for Vargas and end it with Rogue being the one destined to kill him not Betsy and then deal with the fact that Vargas was so unpopular BECAUSE he killed Betsy, that editorial had ordered him to wrap up the Destiny's diary storyline and start aping Morrison's shit in Xtreme X-Men.
Which led to Claremont doing an absurdly lazy return storyline where Betsy basically magically teleports into the X-Mansion alive during his fourth X-Men (and his final Uncanny run) and well and still in her asian body (since Claremont wanted to give a legit reason for her getting her old body back and was denied this), with no explaination until the very fucking end of his run where he credits her return to Jamie Braddock and then teleported her off to be involved in Exiles and New Excalibur shit no one read and gave a fuck about, until Matt Fraction brought her back to the main X-Books during his run.
Also, Byrne's worse than Claremont in that Claremont's more passive aggressive than actively malicious, as Byrne (like Bendis) breaks characters so fucking hard and with such explicit malice to render them radioactive, simply because he can do it and use his name and clout to make it impossible to undo what he did.
Claremont's Xtreme X-Men run was filled with take thats and fuck yous to Morrison and his X-Men run that ran at the same time and was infamous in that Morrison denied Chris usage of Beast and even tried to take Gambit/Rogue away from Claremont so he could kill Rogue and replace her with an overly cliched loli goth who's design ended up being recycled for Teenage Negaton Warhead. But nothing like the shit Byrne has done over the years to characters he dislikes or feels the need to "fix".
The hate for Morrison making Emma talk like a Brit comes from the fact that it flies in the face of pretty much EVERYONE ELSE writing Emma as an old money Bostonian type New Englander and the fact that Claremont and Lobdell basically wrote Emma as sounding like Kathleen Turner, who was the post-Byrne visual inspiration for the character under later artists, along with Faye Dunaway (who Byrne used as Emma's visual basis). Combined with the fact that Claremont and Lobdell explicitly wrote Emma as being in her late 40s (making her around the age of Xavier and Banshee, who is canon older than the rest of the AN-AD X-Men save Wolverine) whereas Morrison ALSO deaged Emma to be in her early 20s so her relationship with Scott would be as "equals" age-wise instead of Scott fucking a woman that was twice his age.
TL;DR Morrison basically ignored a LOT of canon with Emma to the point of turning her into a borderline INO version of herself.
But around the time he set up the arc, Morrison got approval to fake kill Magneto and to hammer home the idea that Magneto was REALLY fucking dead forever and not the new masked Chinaman named Xorn that just happened to join the X-Men, Quesada passed a new decree stating "dead is dead" and that going forward ANY dead character could not be resurrected PERIOD.
Which came AFTER Claremont offed Psylockes to set up the resurrection plotline.
Naturally Claremont was pissed the fuck off, not only because Quesada effective fucked him over with no lube since this meant he killed Betsy for absolutely NO reason and now forbidden to backtrack on it. Which was a BIG thing, as Vargas was supposed to be the big bad of Xtreme X-Men and Betsy's death/rebirth a major storyline relating to the Destiny's diaries and the fact that Betsy was supposed to kill Vargas and that by offing her, he basically sealed his own fate in terms of Betsy killing him in return.
Adding to this, you had shit like Bendis in New Avengers and Secret Wars 4 having dead villains show up alive as background characters and Ed Brubaker demanding and being allowed to bring back Bucky. And of course, Morrison bringing back Magneto and bragging about how it was always planned for Magneto's death to be temporary and Whedon being ordered, as a condition of writing X-Men, being told to bring Colossus back to life. Which only made Claremont fucking rage every MORESO at how he got fucked over and fucked over HARD.
Finally, after Morrison left and Whedon brought back Colossus, Quesada THEN finally decreed that Claremont could "bring Betsy back". But by this point, Claremont had been forced to heavily rewrite his plans for Vargas and end it with Rogue being the one destined to kill him not Betsy and then deal with the fact that Vargas was so unpopular BECAUSE he killed Betsy, that editorial had ordered him to wrap up the Destiny's diary storyline and start aping Morrison's shit in Xtreme X-Men.
Which led to Claremont doing an absurdly lazy return storyline where Betsy basically magically teleports into the X-Mansion alive during his fourth X-Men (and his final Uncanny run) and well and still in her asian body (since Claremont wanted to give a legit reason for her getting her old body back and was denied this), with no explaination until the very fucking end of his run where he credits her return to Jamie Braddock and then teleported her off to be involved in Exiles and New Excalibur shit no one read and gave a fuck about, until Matt Fraction brought her back to the main X-Books during his run.
Also, Byrne's worse than Claremont in that Claremont's more passive aggressive than actively malicious, as Byrne (like Bendis) breaks characters so fucking hard and with such explicit malice to render them radioactive, simply because he can do it and use his name and clout to make it impossible to undo what he did.
Claremont's Xtreme X-Men run was filled with take thats and fuck yous to Morrison and his X-Men run that ran at the same time and was infamous in that Morrison denied Chris usage of Beast and even tried to take Gambit/Rogue away from Claremont so he could kill Rogue and replace her with an overly cliched loli goth who's design ended up being recycled for Teenage Negaton Warhead. But nothing like the shit Byrne has done over the years to characters he dislikes or feels the need to "fix".
The hate for Morrison making Emma talk like a Brit comes from the fact that it flies in the face of pretty much EVERYONE ELSE writing Emma as an old money Bostonian type New Englander and the fact that Claremont and Lobdell basically wrote Emma as sounding like Kathleen Turner, who was the post-Byrne visual inspiration for the character under later artists, along with Faye Dunaway (who Byrne used as Emma's visual basis). Combined with the fact that Claremont and Lobdell explicitly wrote Emma as being in her late 40s (making her around the age of Xavier and Banshee, who is canon older than the rest of the AN-AD X-Men save Wolverine) whereas Morrison ALSO deaged Emma to be in her early 20s so her relationship with Scott would be as "equals" age-wise instead of Scott fucking a woman that was twice his age.
TL;DR Morrison basically ignored a LOT of canon with Emma to the point of turning her into a borderline INO version of herself.
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Say, you lads seem knowledgeable and may be able to help me out here.
Years ago, I can't say exactly when but probably around 2014 to 2016, I was looking for podcasts about comics. I randomly chanced into one while I was out and about (pretty sure the platform was Pocket Casts, if it helps), so while I remember what they talked about, the name of it or the people in it didn't stay in my mind. Then I lost track of it, in the sea of comic podcasts I checked. Almost all were terrible. Ended up giving up on the endeavor.
But, the episode I listened was some guys, supposedly at least one was an industry veteran (possibly a guest rather than a regular), and the important part is they were talking about Mark Waid and Kingdom Come. They said in no uncertain terms that all of Mark Waid's good/successful works, like KC, were ghost-written by some other writer who worked closely with him. Not the rumors of Waid taking ideas from Morrison and others, that's not what this was about. Straight up "this guy did most of the work while Waid mostly just took the credit".
So please let me know if any of you know anything about:
-Whether the claim is real or credible
-Who the ghost writer/helper/partner may be
-What the podcast may be
Cheers
Years ago, I can't say exactly when but probably around 2014 to 2016, I was looking for podcasts about comics. I randomly chanced into one while I was out and about (pretty sure the platform was Pocket Casts, if it helps), so while I remember what they talked about, the name of it or the people in it didn't stay in my mind. Then I lost track of it, in the sea of comic podcasts I checked. Almost all were terrible. Ended up giving up on the endeavor.
But, the episode I listened was some guys, supposedly at least one was an industry veteran (possibly a guest rather than a regular), and the important part is they were talking about Mark Waid and Kingdom Come. They said in no uncertain terms that all of Mark Waid's good/successful works, like KC, were ghost-written by some other writer who worked closely with him. Not the rumors of Waid taking ideas from Morrison and others, that's not what this was about. Straight up "this guy did most of the work while Waid mostly just took the credit".
So please let me know if any of you know anything about:
-Whether the claim is real or credible
-Who the ghost writer/helper/partner may be
-What the podcast may be
Cheers
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Its hilarious they gave Emma an English accent in one of the cartoons because it's just...so.....not her.
Yeah I remember the Xtreme trades. I grew to love Sage. Even tho she kinda jumpstarts peoples powers before they ready (beast, lifeguard)
What kinds of in jokes and fuck yous were there? I remember the first arc lead to Sage vs Lady Mastermind and iirc Shaw. Storm meets with Jean, etc then gets kidnapping by alien looking for a bride, and then the conflict with Emma, Kitty in Chicago, the return of Striker and Deathstrike, Storm going to Japan in a very stereotyped racist mess with tentacles.....
(Was queseda responsible for Natasha dying in Secret Empire?)
Yeah I remember the Xtreme trades. I grew to love Sage. Even tho she kinda jumpstarts peoples powers before they ready (beast, lifeguard)
What kinds of in jokes and fuck yous were there? I remember the first arc lead to Sage vs Lady Mastermind and iirc Shaw. Storm meets with Jean, etc then gets kidnapping by alien looking for a bride, and then the conflict with Emma, Kitty in Chicago, the return of Striker and Deathstrike, Storm going to Japan in a very stereotyped racist mess with tentacles.....
(Was queseda responsible for Natasha dying in Secret Empire?)
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Wow, I knew he was the Nuzlocke guy but I had no idea he ended up in jail, maybe that's why he takes so long to update Ruby: Hard Mode. Just kidding, it's 100% a dead project now.
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Byrne can be petty as shit, especially against Jim Shooter. In the Legends mini-series, he had a character that looks like Shooter brag about creating a "New Universe", and blow his own foot off. In the "New Universe" comic Star Brand, Byrne had Shooter's hometown of Pittsburgh get turned into a smoking crater full of poisonous waste.
Comics are full of toxic, egomaniacal Mean Girls. Or talentless morons who fail upwards like Rob Liefeld and Heather Antos
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You are confusing Waid with Mark Millar, who Morrison explicitly did ghostwriting/provided Millar story notes/outlines for the bulk of his career until around Ultimates 2.
As for Kingdom Come, by all accounts it was a collaborative project between Waid and Ross though one where both were a bunch of autistic spergs with prejudices relating to he characters and concepts and both men tard wrangling each other. Most famously, Ross point blank REFUSED to draw Kyle Rayner when DC banned Waid and Ross from using Hal Jordan in the project, forcing Waid to come up with the idea of using Alan Scott along with Waid pitching Wally West effectively turning into a Jay Garrick look-alike due to Ross despising the way DC killed Barry off and replaced him with Wally and not wanting to use Flash period if it meant Wally was Flash (leading to Waid suggesting they just draw Wally as if he was the Golden Age Flash to get around Alex's sperging). Similarly, Waid had to fight to include Martian Manhunter (Ross despises the character and does not consider him a "real Justice League member" since Ross is, deep down, a filthy casual who thinks Super Friends=Justice League). Though in Ross's defense, he fought hard to make Magog sympathetic and give him a redemption arc along with blocking, from initial publication I should note, the epilogue where Waid had Superman get Wonder Woman pregnant per Waid's crack ship ideas for Superman/Wonder Woman.
The idea that Ross being the real writer/force behind Kingdom Come came from the disaster that was The Kingdom; the infamous 1999 sequel to Kingdom Come that Alex Ross wasn't allowed to participate in due to Waid trying to use the event as part of his ongoing vendetta against DC and the Superman office for daring to erase his precious Silver Age Superman/marrying Superman and Lois Lane a couple of years prior.
Waid had planned for The Kingdom to retcon Superman that ran around for the bulk of the 90s as being a fake. Story goes, he was going to use a one-shot story released prior to Death of Superman, where Walt Simonson retold the story of the imposture "Sandman Superman" from the infamous bronze age O'Neil/Adams Superman run to say that that the Superman of the 90s was a sand construct imposture and that as a result, Superman never married Lois) to erase the marriage and invalidate all of the work Jurgens and Simonson and Stern had done in the 90s to make Superman once again the company's flagship book and enshrine the Post-Crisis status quo.
Waid hid this from editorial until it came out after the first issue came out, resulting in Waid being told "fuck no,..." by the Superman editors resulting in delays between the first and second issues of the Kingdom along with DC killing all promotion planned for the series past the first issue once they realized what Waid was trying.And why Waid purposely FUBARed one of the pay-offs for The Kingdom DC had greenlit; the return of the multiverse in the form of Hypertime, by explicitly stating Hypertime only applied to the god-awful Silver Age stories Waid jerks off to and not actual legit alternate timelines and parallel earths for non-super hero stuff. Along with Waid making Phantom Stranger Superman and Wonder Woman's kid. And how his failure here led to Waid to reach out to Morrison and Millar, to stage his infamous coup against Jurgens and company via their Superman 2000 pitch.
As for Ross, his status as a creative genius sadly went out the window with Earth X. Having fallen out with Waid, he got Jim Kreuger to cowrite what was "Kingdom Come but for Marvel" and it was a huge disaster as Ross really doesn't care much for Marvel like he does DC and let Kreuger push all sorts of garbage wank that people like Hickman and Feige lapped up with a spoon unfortunately. Especially relating to the Inhumans and Celestials/Eternals. So much so that when Geoff Johns wanted to do a proper Kingdom Come sequel, that Ross basically agreed to just draw it and let Geoff do all of the heavy lifting writing-wise outside letting Ross flesh out the backstory of Kingdom Come Superman and flesh out Geoff's idea for a modern day Magog (IIRC it was Ross's idea to make Magog turn out to be a Golden Age legacy character and not just a random new hero).
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I may have mixed up the Millar/Morrison stuff, but I assure you they were talking about Waid and Kingdom Come, and the supposed ghost writer wasn't Ross. I clearly remember they said all of his previous good or well received work was thanks to this collaborator (and Ross wasn't involved in all of that), and when they stopped working together, Waid's quality dropped and we've been there ever since.
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Another reason I don't believe the ghost writer thing about Waid is that it would have come out WAY WAY earlier, like say when he went to Marvel in the mid-90s. Scott Lobdell and Bob Harras would have outed Waid the second he started sperging out and throwing tantrums, especially since Waid was weaponizing Wizard Magazine to both bad mouth Mark Gruenwald, even after his death, but also sabotaging Heroes Reborn to prop up his garbage Captain America run and try and get the book given back to him.
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Rob Liefeld and Jack Kirby are the same artist in a different era. Dynamic posing, ripping off characters (tracing and design elements), chronic same face, and a lot of other stuff.
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I've always felt that Kingdom Come was a gigantic boomer festival, the epitome of "in my age, things weren't like this" and treat the new characters as punchbags for the old heroes.
Regardless I much prefer Earth X to KC, the quality drops hard with each sequel but I still believe that Earth X is just an epic story that just uses all Marvel elements at that time to tell a story that is quite unique.
I've always liked more Marvel than DC, but the similar stories that both series had always felt kinda weird how one I just feel contempt for and the other I really liked it.
Also the designs for Marvel were fucking awesome by Ross
I've always felt that Kingdom Come was a gigantic boomer festival, the epitome of "in my age, things weren't like this" and treat the new characters as punchbags for the old heroes.
Regardless I much prefer Earth X to KC, the quality drops hard with each sequel but I still believe that Earth X is just an epic story that just uses all Marvel elements at that time to tell a story that is quite unique.
I've always liked more Marvel than DC, but the similar stories that both series had always felt kinda weird how one I just feel contempt for and the other I really liked it.
Also the designs for Marvel were fucking awesome by Ross
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Of course, the guys in the podcast may have been full of shit.
I just wish I hadn't lost the fucking thing.
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Steel immediately fulfilling the “older brother” role to Superboy was hilarious, I really liked their dynamic.
Connor serving that role to Jonathan would’ve been a nice continuation.
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Connor only worked in his first couple of years being around, when he was an obnoxious jerk jock type teen hero with a heart of gold. Basically the polar opposite of OG Superboy and a foil for Clark and others.
Once they started stepfordizing him, especially in the last couple of years his book was being published, he became boring as hell.
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Of all the things people have complained about Sonic, “Sonic is a bad person for not brutally killing his enemies!” is not something I ever expected to here. But apparently that’s the new narrative because of the most recent comic.