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jspit2.0 said:
Jason Aaron had a horrible run
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Horrible run? From Jason Aaron? Ya don't say. Guy's a hackity hack hack.

All this talk of the She-Hulk TV series, which looks awful, caused me to revisit She-Hulk in general, and Aaron's She-Hulk run was terrible. He turned her into a dumb muscle Hulk with a body like a refrigerator crate. It was all part of Jason Aaron having an autistic meltdown because he wasn't able to use the Hulk so he decided to turn She-Hulk from what had been in the hands of other, better writers a really empowered character confident in her abilities into big dumb Hulk but with PTSD or something, who wanted to be the HULK SMASH kind of Hulk because she...admired that, for whatever reason? Who knows.

The first Savage She-Hulk title, while for the most part very average, very "mid" Bronze Age shenanigans did start building Mizz Jen Walters. It was created at a time when Marvel was creating female versions of male characters, like She-Hulk and Spiderwoman, purely to copyright them to prevent other companies from using female versions. Especially during the Hulk TV show, the people at Marvel were afraid the producers might make a spin-off with a female Hulk, since The Bionic Woman being spun-off from The 6 Million Dollar Man had proved to be popular, so the PTB at Marvel wanted to make their own female Hulk before anyone else did.

"Savage She Hulk" eventually establishes that Jen Walters wasn't just genderswapped Hulk but a different sort of character - after about 15 issues of angsting about being "Savage" and worrying she might Hulk-out she began to embrace being She-Hulk, she didn't hate her alter ego. She was depicted as fierce but intelligent, and her being a bold, flirty sort was also eventually established.

The criticism of the 70s main Hulk title was that it went through repetitive cycles of Bruce Banner trying to find a cure and failing, over and over - while the first She-Hulk run ended with her deciding she's going to keep on being She-Hulk. Later she joins the Avengers and becomes an iconic member and comes closer to being the Shulk people would come to know.
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She has embraced being a 7-foot tall glamazon superheroine (of course) and into her run with the Avengers tells her weenie cousin not to be such a worrywart over her case.

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After the Secret Wars crossover she ends up joining the Fantastic Four for awhile - replacing the Thing who had his own title at the time and was another hero looking for a cure to his condition - during Bryne's run. Byrne's take on her would really end up defining her, later with the Sensational She-Hulk Graphic Novel that ends with Reed Richards giving her the news that due to radiation exposure, well, she's going to be stuck in Shulk-mode (which lasted for awhile)

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Sensational She Hulk was a unique title for Marvel at the time because it focused on humor a lot at a time when comics, superhero comics especially it seemed were trying to be darker and serious. That along with the fourth-wall breaking and playing with the medium was actually unique at the time.
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But for most of the run, She-Hulk managed to find a balance between the purposeful silliness and portraying She-Hulk as the sort of empowered heroine some people claim to want these days.


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Bryne worked on the series for the first few issues, then it cycled through different creative teams during issues 9-30, and returned to work on the series till issue 50 - which featured She-Hulk being invited to Marvel's offices to look over samples from potential new artists/writers - featuring parodies of Frank Miller, Dave Gibbons, Wendy Pini (She Hulk is glad during those pages she was drawn with the proper amount of fingers), Howard Chaykin, Terry Austin and Adam Hughes.

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When Spectacular made it to issue 60, that was the longest run at the time for a solo Marvel superheroine book and her characterization was mostly set for future appearances.

Now, imagine spending time as a creator working on a She-hulk book trying to make an unsexy, not funny version of the character and just knowing that no one wants to touch that version for anything, that even other writers are calling you out on it, and how much time you wasted on it.
 
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Catwoman omnibus and my black widow movie art book keep getting delayed :/

I bought the first of the Birds of Prey reprints. (Gail Simone's run and her Wonder Woman run were both fantastic don't @ me. I love her yellow notebook narration. Also Spy Smasher getting the shit kicked out of her was divine.) The solicits for the next preorder volume (featuring the Dead of Winter arc) are horribly mislabeled.

You know I noticed DC in particular is doing their solicits very poorly with numerous errors and stuff. For example the JLD omnibus first mistakenly advertised it as the Wonder Woman led team.

I am surprised Phil Jimenez's WW omnibus is out of print.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Did anyone here ever read v1 of Alpha Flight from the '80s? I've read a few issues where it crossover with X-Men and I've always found it kinda dry and boring, yet it went on for over 10 years so I assume it has its fans.

Also read the first New Mutants annual wherein a mutant tries to steal the Earth and sell it. It's pretty dumb, feeling like a heavily abbreviated story arc leading to stuff like the mutant only having a single line of dialogue as motivation ("Earth once sold me into slavery. No, I won't explain"). Well, at least Sam (Cannonball) cucks Roberto (Sunspot) and gets himself a big titty goth gf, which is amusing.
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Alpha Flight is a good book, but it became a zombie franchise around the time Hundell left the title before being mercy killed. Building Blocks (#87-90) is a decent jumping off point but it had seen better days.

That said, it's a good Lovecraftian horror/body horror book when it was good. Byrne's run really doesn't get going until around #12 when Byrne kills off Guardian. Furthermore, the Mantlo run is super underrated and in it's own way a sort of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol before Grant ever set foot on Doom Patrol, in terms of being about a bunch of misfits and freaks forming a makeshift family.

Hundell's run is one that I had the worst look hunting down in back issues (his last year on the book took forever to find at a decent price). He resolved the Sasquatch gender flip storyline that Mantlo left dangling and brought back Talisman and redeemed Diamond Lil. He also wrote one of my favorite issues of the series, #76, in which Nemesis and a makeshift team of heroes fight a town full of zombies being controlled via a dead girl as a host for the run's big bad.

But the biggest problem is that Marvel editorial, but especially Brevoort, only like the Byrne run and hate Heather Hudson in particular and have held a longstanding grudge over Byrne killing Guardian off. Hence why they keep pushing for the original line-up in just about every modern revival and held the failures of the Seagle and Lobdell early 00s run as "proof" fans "only want the original team".

As for New Mutants Annual #1; it's a mixed bag. It was the last work on the franchise by series co-creator Bob McLoed that came out just several issues after Bill Seinkeiwicz took over art duties (he drew the cover for the annual). I know Heidi McDonald hated the issue because of the art, as she was one of the leading shit talkers bashing New Mutants until the very day her BFF Seinkeiwicz started drawing the book; at which point Heidi started praising the book to high heavens because of her BFF's artwork.

Lila Cheney is clearly a Patti Smith expy and the plot is kind of blah, as if Claremont's recycling ideas from various rejected sci-fi novels he had been working on in his spare time. Lila's line about being a former slave is never really followed up on, though some X-Men fans have speculated that Lila might have been a former Shadow King slave. Or retroactively have suggested she had dealings with Mojo (who didn't exist at the time the story was published) that resulted in Lila being a slave.

Also, Indiana Jones is a cursed franchise comic-wise. Marvel got the rights to it in the early 80s and Lucas basically not only micromanaged everything (he rejected just about every plot pitched for the series) but also was super anal about the artwork forcing multiple pages being redrawn.

It was such a headache that Marvel said fuck it and let the rights lapse after putting out barely a half dozen issues. And even before the Crystal Skull debacle, the Young Indiana Jones series flopping like it did helped kill a lot of interest in seeing new stories.

As for Aaron/She-Hulk; that came from the fact that Aaron was pissy as fuck that editorial took Ewings' side on not letting him use Hulk in his Avengers run due to the fact that Ewing was telling a rather tightly paced storyline for his run and Aaron not only did not give one fuck about what Ewing was writing, but made it clear he had his own plans for Hulk in Avengers and wanted free reign to not only IGNORE whatever Ewing was writing in Immortal Hulk but also refused point blank to even WORK with Ewing to try and compromise and try and find a way to weave the events of Immortal Hulk and Avengers around each other for minimum continuity snarling.

To placate Aaron, he was given She-Hulk and he undid the ending of her last series (which saw her go back to her pre-Civil War 2 normal self) and had her become even more beastial to the point of becoming non-verbal. Also, her fucking Thor in aggressive sex that She-Hulk initiated, which led some people to joke that Aaron was wanting to make Bruce and Thor gay and since that was the ONLY thing he did with She-Hulk before editorial FINALLY forced him to reset her, his hate boner for Ewing was based entirely off of Ewing having enough self-awareness to not want to have to rewrite his entire Hulk epic to deal with Aaron pulling a Bendis and making Bruce gay and dating Thor.

That said, this led to Ewing largely being blocked from using She-Hulk in a major role in his Hulk run outside showing up with the Avengers in two different fight episodes (plus the finale) and a special which was designed to basically let Ewing run damage control for Aaron's rape of She-Hulk by implying that She-Hulk DID die in Civil War 2 and that her beastial form since then was her dealing with the PTSD from dying like she did.
 
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Well, I made the jump. I bought my first current comic issues in fifteen years, the X-Men to be precise. (The guy at the comic book store counter insisted on telling me a little about his abusive childhood apropos of nothing while I was there, so that was a bonus.) Let's see what we shall see.
 
Newman's Lovechild said:
If I was going to look at an Indiana Jones comic trying to ape Bruce Timms style, I'd sooner it was drawn by actual Bruce Timm. The art is stiff and isn't helped by being only 4 panels, and yet a whole page, grouching about ethics in archeology.

Is that the best example that Indy Jones comics have to offer? A far cry from the energy of the films, and in itself, maybe an answer to your question.

Otherwise, I think of crazy adventures in comics involving dead civilizations, mythology and supernatural forces, I think Hellboy and BPRD.
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I remember the Marvel Indy comics being fun but I haven't read them in a long time (decades).
 
I remember Alpha Flight dropping hints about Northstar in the 80s. I had an issue where he befriends this indigo girl? And he reminisces about time he spent with I think a ski instructor who resembles Kenny Loggins.

Seconding Byrne's run on She Hulk. It is by far her best run. The omnibus is highly recommended. The fourth wall breaks and awareness are in peak form. There's a famous part where Jen gets mad at Byrne so she literally rips the page off and it goes through multiple blank pages before she returns.
 
Someone talk about Sam Kieth, i heard he started dating his current wife when he was like 14 and she was in her late 20's or early 30's is that weird?
 
Byrne first hinted Northstar was gay in Alpha Flight #7-8; Byrne STRONGLY implies that the older businessman murdered by Deadly Ernest (as part of a scheme with the businessman's daughter to steal the poor guy's business from him to add to Ernest's growing criminal empire with the daughter getting a hefty payday for betraying her dad) was gay and that Northstar was his lover, with Northstar having a thing for older men due to him growing up with daddy issues over his biological father dying on him when he was a baby.

Byrne never intended to out Northstar (in part because Jim Shooter had a ban on openly gay characters due to backlash over Shooter writing a story for the Hulk magazine where Bruce Banner nearly got gangraped in a YMCA shower) but it was an open secret of sorts after it leaked out.

Bill Mantlo introduced Purple Girl/Persuasion and had her have a big brother/little sister relationship with Northstar, with Purple Girl having a crush on him. Around this time, Mantlo wanted to do a storyline about AIDS and gave Northstar an "illness" that was clearly AIDS and intended him to die from it for a very special episode deal. But Shooter vetoed it because of the "no gay" rule and Mantlo was forced to retcon it as being pollution related toxic shock syndrome because Northstar and Aurora were half-fairy on their mom's side and that was also why their parents were killed (the fairies didn't like that their mom left the kingdom to marry a mortal male and had them murdered). Northstar was taken off to live with the fairies, who cured him of his toxic shock syndrome illness and Aurora was cured of her insanity by Loki and dropped off at a non-corrupt nunnery. This lasted until the end of the Hundell run, when Aurora rejoined the team and Northstar found out that the fairies were liars and that him and his sister were mutants/had lied because the big bad of Hundell's run IIRC wanted to sacrifice either twin as part of a ritual to take over the world, but mainly because editorial wanted to undo the Mantlo story because of the bad PR of having Northstar be a literal fairy generated within fandom.
 
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i didnt get nr 69 or 430 on the limited run of incal no 4 ...
 
So Marvel did a massive bait and switch for this month's Amazing Spider-Man; in spite of it having MJ/Peter on the cover and dealing with their split and MJ shacking up with what appears to be a single dad, MJ is nowhere around.

Instead, the issue focused on setting up the now goody goody version of Norman Osborn as Peter's benefactor and Peter being hired to babysit Harry's bastard and Normie for Norman. Also, Girl Beetle being written out of the series as Tombstone convinces her to take her boyfriend out of town on vacation so she doesn't have to see her dad go full psycho on Rose after last issue's assassination attempt on Tombstone. And the implication White Rabbit is up to something, as White Rabbit and one of her goons are stealing Mysterio's costume/gear and one of Electro's costumes as well arranging for a van containing Tombstone, Spidey (who Tombstone beat up), and the new Crime Master to return to a warehouse she's operating out of.

Given the backlash over breaking Peter and MJ up, the bullshit editor Nick Lowe has been spewing saying Ben Reilly doesn't count/matter and is inferior to Miles Morales (and the rumors that Lowe DESPERATELY wants to get rid of Peter and make Miles the only Spider-Man in town), and the shitstorm that hit when the Free Comic Book Day book leaked and revealed that A. Amazing Spider-Man was being stealth absorbed into the X-Men line this fall and B. the implications that Moira's going to skin MJ alive at worse and at best, turn her into a remote controlled puppet, have Marvel in a tizzy given that they NEED Spidey to be a top seller to subsidize their SJW crap and by that, they need MJ/Peter together and having them rewrite their plans on the fly.
 
MirrorNoir said:
So Marvel did a massive bait and switch for this month's Amazing Spider-Man; in spite of it having MJ/Peter on the cover and dealing with their split and MJ shacking up with what appears to be a single dad, MJ is nowhere around.

Instead, the issue focused on setting up the now goody goody version of Norman Osborn as Peter's benefactor and Peter being hired to babysit Harry's bastard and Normie for Norman. Also, Girl Beetle being written out of the series as Tombstone convinces her to take her boyfriend out of town on vacation so she doesn't have to see her dad go full psycho on Rose after last issue's assassination attempt on Tombstone. And the implication White Rabbit is up to something, as White Rabbit and one of her goons are stealing Mysterio's costume/gear and one of Electro's costumes as well arranging for a van containing Tombstone, Spidey (who Tombstone beat up), and the new Crime Master to return to a warehouse she's operating out of.

Given the backlash over breaking Peter and MJ up, the bullshit editor Nick Lowe has been spewing saying Ben Reilly doesn't count/matter and is inferior to Miles Morales (and the rumors that Lowe DESPERATELY wants to get rid of Peter and make Miles the only Spider-Man in town), and the shitstorm that hit when the Free Comic Book Day book leaked and revealed that A. Amazing Spider-Man was being stealth absorbed into the X-Men line this fall and B. the implications that Moira's going to skin MJ alive at worse and at best, turn her into a remote controlled puppet, have Marvel in a tizzy given that they NEED Spidey to be a top seller to subsidize their SJW crap and by that, they need MJ/Peter together and having them rewrite their plans on the fly.
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As someone who hates both Miles and Ben, I'd wish they'd just kill both of them off. Miles is a character who exists for more merchandise and has no good stories under him. Get Peter back with MJ and just give him a part-time Spider-Man gig with the FF. I'd prefer Peter/Johnny/Reed/Sue FF.
I have never for the life of me understood why writers struggle with MJ. She was best when she loved Peter for being Spider-Man and willing to put up with it because Peter saves a kid from being crushed by falling construction equipment once a month. He's a photographer and she's a actress/ model/ seamstress, I know Dan Slott plays Peter as being some science autist, but have MJ explain Peter's absence by having her loan him out for shoots.
The comedy should be that MJ seems like a terrible wife who pussywhips her husband.

Marvel's editorial is terrible, but somehow better than DC. Issue is a lot of writers want to make Marvel into DC for some reason. We can't have Sin Eater shit where Peter is trying to help the cops find a killer who he's increasingly emotionally invested in catching. You have retards who assume that Police Dogs are abused because he's ACAB retard.
I hope to Christ writers they just write off Krokao as a what-ifs it's just so fucking boring and it brought back the autists who sperg about Hickman's charts.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
As someone who hates both Miles and Ben, I'd wish they'd just kill both of them off. Miles is a character who exists for more merchandise and has no good stories under him. Get Peter back with MJ and just give him a part-time Spider-Man gig with the FF. I'd prefer Peter/Johnny/Reed/Sue FF.
I have never for the life of me understood why writers struggle with MJ. She was best when she loved Peter for being Spider-Man and willing to put up with it because Peter saves a kid from being crushed by falling construction equipment once a month. He's a photographer and she's a actress/ model/ seamstress, I know Dan Slott plays Peter as being some science autist, but have MJ explain Peter's absence by having her loan him out for shoots.
The comedy should be that MJ seems like a terrible wife who pussywhips her husband.

Marvel's editorial is terrible, but somehow better than DC. Issue is a lot of writers want to make Marvel into DC for some reason. We can't have Sin Eater shit where Peter is trying to help the cops find a killer who he's increasingly emotionally invested in catching. You have retards who assume that Police Dogs are abused because he's ACAB retard.
I hope to Christ writers they just write off Krokao as a what-ifs it's just so fucking boring and it brought back the autists who sperg about Hickman's charts.
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None of them have had a fulfilling romantic or sexual relationship.

Their parents were divorced and shitty

They can't write a healthy adult relationship because they've never experienced one [ not even vicariously]
 
Manwithn0n0men said:
None of them have had a fulfilling romantic or sexual relationship.

Their parents were divorced and shitty

They can't write a healthy adult relationship because they've never experienced one [ not even vicariously]
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I will keep asking why everyone who writes the FF seems obsessed with making Reed a cuck until I get a good answer. I assume the more liberal writers never read the original run and take panels of Reed telling Sue to shut the fuck up so Earth doesn't get destroyed as character defining. I know that British/ Scottish writer who made his career yelling at Alan Moore wanted to have Sue and Johnny fuck because reasons.
 
Can anyone confirm whether Marvel will still be able to print its back catalog of Conan in 2023 onward? I've been buying the Original Marvel Years Epic Collections. If Vol 6 in Sept is it then that's still two volumes short of completing the original Roy Thomas run I wanted.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
I will keep asking why everyone who writes the FF seems obsessed with making Reed a cuck until I get a good answer. I assume the more liberal writers never read the original run and take panels of Reed telling Sue to shut the fuck up so Earth doesn't get destroyed as character defining. I know that British/ Scottish writer who made his career yelling at Alan Moore wanted to have Sue and Johnny fuck because reasons.
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They haven't seen a man who loves his family.

I already explained it
 
I think the Conan Epic line is fucked. They are rushing to at least finish Conan and Savage Sword by the end of the year but the Epics are going to be left dangling sadly.

Ironically they could have completed Classic Marvel Conan in the Epic line had they not given priority to the Dark Horse Conan stuff. IIRC the reason that has floated around is that they didn't want to cannibalize the omnibus sales for the classic Marvel stuff plus the fact that most of the Dark Horse stuff was out of print for a while, so Marvel was taking the calculation that it was better to focus on that stuff for the softcover releases via the Epic line, while herding people who wanted the classic run to the omnibuses.

That said, I have the BWS Epic volumes, which was as far as I was interested in with the classic Marvel run.
 
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