The first Post Crisis Superboy that was not the butt baby of Clark and Lex came from an Earth that the Time Trapper saved from being wiped into non-existence by stashing it in a "pocket dimension" . This Superboy died to save "Pocket Earth", and the LOSH mourned him until the full effects of Crisis took hold and made them forget him. This Pocket Earth later had three Kryptonian criminals in the Phantom Zone let loose, where there killed 99% of the population. The Lex of that place made the protoplasm Supergirl based on Lana Lang, who starred in the mid 90s Supergirl series. The Post Crisis Clark came back there, first using Gold Kryptonite to permanently depower them, then that Earth's Green K to KILL THEM, since they openly bragged about trying to get their powers back so they could go to his Earth and murder everyone there too. (K on that Earth had no effect on Clark, since it had a different wavelength than K from his Earth. This is why K on our Earth had no effect on Superbrat Prime)
I remember the protoplasm supergirl solely for getting OHKO'd in the doomsday fight and not much else.
didn't she kinda simp for luthor and then uh
just merge with some girl for the "Earth Born Angel" Supergirl that peter david worked on?
Yeah, I remember some really odd Supergirl thing that was essentially "Matrix merges with girl to save life. Somehow this leads to an Earth born Angel." and then we never see her again after the run.
Cyclotron was Nuklon's grandfather. The same accident that gave Terry Curtis his powers also irradiated his wife and baby daughter. His wife died as a result, and his daughter was terminally sick. Ultra-Humanite blackmailed Cyclotron into villainy by kidnapping the baby and promising the cure her if Cyclotron did his dirty work. He died helping the JSA and his daughter got raised by the second Firebrand and Shining Knight. This same radiation that affected Terry's daughter altered her DNA so that her son Albert Rothstein would develop powers at puberty.
It was the All-Star Squadron iirc.
Cyclotron was a decent reluctant villain.
So far, everyone on the show is straight and cis. Even DC isn't exceptional enough to have Alan and Todd be fuck buddies.
if DC makes them fuckbuddies in the future, please include the screencap of this post in the 4chan greentext.
I agree on Skyman, though. The series was on the chopping block and I guess DC wanted to go down the grim and gritty route popular in the later 80s. On the Stargirl show, Sylvester is a character, but they call him Starman and had him using the Starman staff. Most likely a choice in order to simply the already convoluted continuity.
it's a shame because Infinity Inc characters kinda mostly ran the 90s out as B listers.
Dr Midnite/Wildcat- Died in that Eclipso book.
Hourman- Lived, lucky him.
Nuklon/Obsidian- Joined the Gerard Jones JLA. I remember it because Nuklon turned down a relationship with Fire because of his heritage and religion.
Brainwave Jr. - Extreme Justice appearance as a hackneyed villain. Cool design but we try to forget that ever happened.
Jade- joined the New Bloods in their team book as the leader. Later was Kyle Rayner's GF, I guess?
Fury- shitshow. Sandman books.
Hector Hall- Also a shitshow iirc. Came back as Dr. Fate and died before Infinite Crisis?
Norda- I don't really know but I think he cameo'd in some JSA and Robinson's Starman stuff? He didn't do much until that Infinite Crisis era JSA shitshow with Black Adam.
Power Girl- JLI Meme.
Skyman- Murked.
Harlequin- I dunno. She popped up as the daughter of the OG golden age villain, the Gambler?
Jonni Thunder- not an official member but I think she's legit been forgotten lmao
Huntress- crisis casualty.
I recall Jesse Quick was introduced in that JSA series that happened riiiight before Zero Hour. It had good art iirc.
Then Ordway was creating the team, he intended Todd to be openly gay from the start, but he or DC got cold feet (he was also going to get illusion based powers like the Golden Age Harlequin, but then they decided Thorn was going to be their biological mother instead). Todd did go on dates with two women, but the first date went nowhere, and the second woman turned out to be the new Harlequin, working as an agent for the Manhunters to destroy the team from the inside. She started out dating Norda/Northwind, but moved onto Todd after Norda left to go back to his people in Greenland. It was obvious to my not-quite-out-myself gay ass that Todd did not play on the same team as Al and Hector.
Didn't they also intend to have a gay male Harlequin character in the original drafts, but then it never went anywhere?
Later on, when he and Nuklon joined the Justice League in the mid 90s, Todd admitted that he was possibly not straight but not full on calling himself gay, and hinted that he was in love with Al as well.
Then in the mid 2000 Manhunter series, Todd shows up dating Kate's male Co-worker, Damon Matthews. Finally confirming his gayness decades later, a la Northstar.
Speaking of, the similarities between those two is bizarre: Both are gay dudes with twin sisters, they both came out late in life, with one sibling having schizophrenia (Todd/Aurora), both were separated at birth, and both discovered their twin sister in adulthood. It's the like the Man-Thing/Swamp Thing or X-Men/Doom Patrol thing all over again.
Well I don't remember Northstar's backstory that much but didn't Todd get extremely abused as a kid?
House of M was literally Magneto and Prof. X refusing her a therapist and trying to kill her because she was going under an actual mental breakdown. It's been a wildride of Byrne not liking robots, which Vision is synthetic man like the OG Human Torch, and Bendis going with that. Pretty sure Vision should have a working dick, but the Pym side of Marvel is ignored for some reason. Pym is actually interesting outside of the slapping Janet when she deserved it, he had a Hungarian wife who got killed by Soviets and then he went on a tear. Rage of Ultron was actually good because it actually did a character study of Ultron and how he hates himself for being created solely to stroke his fathers ego.
the 2010s tried to focus on the Pym side bc of the movies and the push away from the f4/X-Men, but they kinda bungled Age of Ultron.
and Pymtron was inconsistent as fuck.
West Coast Avengers did give Pym good character growth.
If they wanted to do something interesting revive the Pym-Richards rivalry to the point of Ultron literally threatening to oust Kang and do a fucking Infinite Crisis. Ultron is actually the good guy and resets shit before Spider-Man sold his daughters soul to the devil because the Editor-In-Chief went through a messy divorce, the X-Men became Israeli, and Iron Man is literally two people because of time shenanigans. Also I hate Captain America for a number of reasons, but mainly because he's boring and is only ever a mouthpiece. It was set up a while ago that Kang/ Immortus/ whatever he calls himself has rigged the game so that he wins, Cosmic bs be damned.
I doubt we'll get something that interesting because twitter writers like attacking the fans and dissing them lmfao.
Iron Man becoming like 4-6 seperate people would be kinda funny. Traitor Iron Man from the Crossing, Kid Tony, Superior Iron Man, A.I. Tony, Post Heroes Reborn-Civil War Era Tony, and post-rebirth 2029-2021 Tony would all be fucking entertaining.
man when they gonna ressurect Happy Hogan, it's been like 15 years.
I wish people would stop raising the stakes to absurd levels, Hickman or Starlin, it stops being interesting. It becomes an autismfest when characters have big ass powers, it's why Superman breaks narratives and you have to write around him. I mean now that the in-universe Superman is gay just have him be the Gaeton Dugas of DC and spread space AIDS unknowingly and then knowingly do it once he is diagnosed then you can just say that he wasn't taking his anti-virals because he wanted to spread the gift and his powers were weakened.
Cosmic stories can be fun but they have to like a once every 2-3 years shitshow at best. Otherwise we don't get the proper fallout.
I enjoyed the Infinity event but that was mostly a guilty pleasure.
Gay Jon Kent is probably the biggest backfiring move they can do.
All I remember is that Ultron used leftover Human Torch shit, also no one really gave a shit about Scarlet Witch fucking a robot until Byrne and then Bendis. OG Human Torch had the machinery. I liked the whole thing of Wanda conjuring up kids because they couldn't have them and getting pissed at the nannies for losing them when her concentration would wane and they would disappear.
Back to the previous shit, anytime you bring Magneto into the Scarlet Witch or Quicksilvers life writers ignore how abusive Magneto was and character assassinate Wanda and Pietro to make him sympathetic. Wanda is actually understandable because she wants to have a family and forgives him in hopes of that, but Pietro really should hate him for being a power hungry dick who wants to be greater than everyone. Pietro is honestly a great character when he's not out-of-character working for Magneto.
oh yeah that was covered in that '90s Avengers miniseries iirc. Vision is made from a temporal copy of the OG torch?
I agree that Wanda-Pietro-Magneto have been great when written well. We've had a focus on Wanda recently with the Darkhold Stuff and the X-Men books where she's sorta dead again?
Pietro's "Avengers No Surrender" spinoff miniseries was nice too, but not well executed.
I've had a soft spot for Laurel Gand, particularly the SW6 version of the character as the Andromeda costume kicked ass with the star field and loin cloth. I was not too fond of how they turned her into a xenophobic cunt after the reboot. Granted, she repented and earned her redemption.
yeah i thought she was fun.
Well, the "good" news is that Will Payton returned in Scott Snyder's Justice League. As for Yolanda and Beth, Geoff Johns brought them back to life in Doomsday Clock.
Yeah they sort of brought him back, only to have him fucking die again asfaik.
Nice of them to use a legacy hero that thematically connects the JSA-JLA-Future League stuff.
By my count, Barry stayed dead for twenty-two years. As for CoIE, I heard rumors that DC did contemplate a total reboot. Greg Weisman (of Gargoyles/Joung Justice fame) was an editorial assistant at the time asked why they didn't just do it at meeting and the answer was that
New Teen Titans was their top seller at the time and a reboot would basically kill the title. Ironic considering that George Perez's
Wonder Woman turned Donna Troy's history into a continuity knot.
@Water-T went over the Crisis' effects on the LoSH. The
Hawkworld retcon royally fucked over the Hawks. Frankly, the post-Crisis DCU was even more confusing that the pre-Crisis multiverse because of their selective retcons, which created a cascading effect of more retcons and reboots that never ends. Hell, I even look at the
New 52 as a failure right out of the gate because DC refused to reboot Batman and Green Lantern's histories. If you want to reboot your universe... commit to the fucking bit.
I wish they'd finished the original Katar Hol Thanagarian Invasion shit that was happening before they brought Hawkworld into the mix. Shit got confusing and I couldn't really figure it out despite being a comics sperg.
Like, suddenly the Silver Age Katar Hol was Fel Andar all along, an alien sleeper agent? But then he got some human woman to simp for him and become his Hawkgirl?
But then the golden age hawkman never factored into this?
Don't get me wrong, I like the edgy grim Hawkworld Hawkman/Woman, it's just that their inclusion was a little after the Crisis and it felt like a weird after-thought. Plus,I NEVER understood what the fuck that astral "Hawkgod" thing even was when the series got into the '90s. Like dude, I wanted to like it but the entire thing got fucked up.
at least the grimdark Katar Hol was acknowledged as having existed by the time the 2000s rolled around. His Hawkwoman also died heroically in one of the Starlin cosmic DC miniseries things too (Along with the last of the Darkstars too iirc. I think they all died fighting that Starbreaker dude from the '70s JLA books?)
Hawkman continuity is fucking weird because the 2000s suddenly brought Golden Eagle (the semi sidekick) back to life, but as the son of the traitorous Fel Andar and he had a hate boner for Carter Hall? Weird.
Then uh, the whole Onimar Synn introduction and Carter somehow being able to bless a vat of holy water because he was a bishop in a past life?
Man I wish they played up the reincarnation knowledge of Hawkman as a thing more often. It was literally the premise of why the Batman Who Laughs considered him a big enough threat to "Infect", but we never get good Hawkman stories it seems.
Oh yeah the recent Hawkman series had the revelation that Hawkman's original life was as a galactic scale mass murderer/warrior named K'Tar Deathbringer or some shit and that the reincarnations were a curse from The Presence iirc. Also something about Shayera's original life being that of an Angel?
Hawkman's fucked up mythos gives the entirety of the X-Men a good run for their money in being a clusterfuck. But I'd rather have that than more twitterizing.
