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I've finished the first 100 or so of The Defenders, and as a whole am surprised at how good it was. I went into it figuring it was just a middling B list title at best, but now I actually think I liked it more than the Avengers books that were coming out around the same time. The characterization is very consistent in between runs despite there not being a long term writer and the stories might not always be good, but they are always fun.

Englehart's run is short, but fun. It introduces Valkyrie, who turns into a great character given time, as well as Nighthawk, who starts as a lame Batman rip off, but really grows on you. Its crown jewel is the Avenger/Defenders war, which is just an excuse for the two teams to fight. It's totally fun to read, but nothing mind-blowing.

Gerber wrote the next large chuck of the series and his is the peak. It's weird and silly, but in a good way. Everything he wrote reminded me of old 1950s Sci-Fi novels and shows which give it a completely different feel compared to basically every other superhero comic to ever come out. If you only read one part of The Defenders, I would say his run is the part to do. The whole thing is amazing, and it's very hard for me to choose just one part to say was his best.

There's a short Conway run in between Gerber and Kraft, which is fine but basically just continues the Gerber stuff. Kraft's run is fun and has some highpoints, like having Hellcat join up with the team, which was a great idea, as well as having pretty fun stories like Defenders for a Day and the Lunktik arc, which starts off strong but spirals into a very complicated story that kind of feels like it overstayed it welcome.

Hannigan's run is a decline compared to what came before, but I still enjoyed it. A bit of a side note, but for some weird reason, current Marvel editor, Tom Brevoort, has a whole section of his personal blog crapping all over this part of Defenders for some reason. Anyway, the Asgard storyline which starts the run off is the peak and, although there are some memorable moments, like the Hulk storyline where he saves a whale and then the whale takes him to a boat where he chimps out. Not really the best story telling, but it does make you laugh.

I'm not sure how good of a job I'm doing describing the comics. Despite not having A-list writers or A-list characters, The Defenders seems to be worth reading solely based on the oddball stories. I would recommend it to people who are sick of by-the-number-genic superhero comics and want something like them, but with a more original feel. Now here's a image of hulk eating beans because I found it funny.
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Much better than the Fury MAX stuff,
Funny thing about that comic. Stan lee was so disgusted by the final issue which showed nick fury strangling a guy with his own intestines, that he used what veto power he had left by 2001 to put the kibosh on an R rated nick fury movie that would have been like a mix between that comic and the blade movie.



Anyways I've been reading some mid to late 80s spider-man, trying to get back into reading the early venom stuff but it's funny how reading one marvel series from the 80s/90s can lead you down another. I got to the inferno storyline to follow what happened after Asm 315 to the lead up of the Jason macendale becoming a demon....but since that was a tie in to xmen I went back and now am reading mutant massacre, fall of the mutants and then inferno....which not only had tie ins to the rest of the marvel universe but a lead up prequel saga too.



All I can say is:

1. thank good readcomiconline is still up and running, otherwise I'd never be able to keep up.

2. For all the good the 80s gave us especially with marvel comics, you also have to remember it's where a lot of modern comics problems had their start. Bloated crossovers, storylines that stretched across month or years, and all thanks to the likes of secret wars and those crossovers I mentioned.
 
After rereading through Be Not Afraid by Boom! Studios in anticipation for the second to last issue and I'm a bit dissapointed. The comic started off good, the atmosphere was nice and the set up felt like it would really pay off as the story went. The issue is that in a limited series with ONLY 6 issues, the pace needs to pick up a bit. We spend 4 of the 6 comics building to things that should have been introduced beforehand. I like it, I like the biblical themes of revelation and end times, personal spirituality and what not. The art is beautiful, and the writing is..okay, but like the pace is just god awful.

I hope it can bounce back and still keep things neat while improving on the pace. But with only 2 more issues in the series and with what I've seen and read already I have very little faith. Which sucks, cause it genuinely has insane potential. I feel like it suffers from it only being 6 issues.
 
Never read it but I heard good things.

The story behind its cancellation is pretty funny though. So while writing the book, Joe Quesada approached Bendis about possibly being the writer for Ultimate Spider-Man. He didn't say yes or no, but found it amusing and told Todd McFarlane about it, thinking it'd get a chuckle out of ol' Toddy. Instead, McFarlane fired Bendis for daring to consort with 'the enemy' and cancelled the book, so Bendis had no choice but to tell Quesada yes.
Man, why is Todd such a retard? You just need to watch the HBO Spawn intros to know he's a super geek (big surprise for a comic book writer and artist, i know) but he always acts like a too-cool-for-school macho dude, which in combination with his looks and slight speech impediment is just comical, and not in a funny way. Read about some debate he had with another comics dude which was held in front of an audience and Todd came in a bath robe or swimming shorts, or on some equally as embarrassing frat boy shit. Always felt to me like he is somewhat ashamed of being a nerd. Which is absolutely ridiculous when you got such seminal creations like Spawn under your belt.
 
Peter David, I think?


About what I'd expect from the guy that started a studio on the basis of YOU CREATE IT YOU OWN IT and then immediately turned around and told creators he owned their creations. I'm very glad his designs on Miracleman went into the toilet.
As much as i dislike Gaiman as a writer, he was absolutely in his right to fight in court over his ownership of his characters in Spawn, especially regarding Todd's Image Comics credo. Can't take anything Todd says seriously after he went that hard against his own stated principles, just astonishing hypocrisy. All about that Allighty Ollar in the end.
 
Peter David, I think?


About what I'd expect from the guy that started a studio on the basis of YOU CREATE IT YOU OWN IT and then immediately turned around and told creators he owned their creations. I'm very glad his designs on Miracleman went into the toilet.
I read Moore's and Gaiman's Mircaleman stuff. I rather enjoyed it. Sure Dark Age isn't ever coming out but I like what we got.
 
...Dark Age came out? The Young Miracleman story finished, Marvel got both Buckingham and Gaiman back for it. Or do you mean something else?
 
What are you goys currently reading?
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In a cool down atm. The other week I finished plowing through the 2001 Hal Jordan Spectre run.

When I get some free time soon I'm gonna dive into this gem I got at my local shop's black friday sale.
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After that... feeling like some Ostrander, either his Spectre or Suicide Squad, haven't decided yet.
 
Man, why is Todd such a retard? You just need to watch the HBO Spawn intros to know he's a super geek (big surprise for a comic book writer and artist, i know) but he always acts like a too-cool-for-school macho dude, which in combination with his looks and slight speech impediment is just comical, and not in a funny way. Read about some debate he had with another comics dude which was held in front of an audience and Todd came in a bath robe or swimming shorts, or on some equally as embarrassing frat boy shit. Always felt to me like he is somewhat ashamed of being a nerd. Which is absolutely ridiculous when you got such seminal creations like Spawn under your belt.
Because he didn't set out to be a comic artist, he wanted to play baseball but got injured during a game and that put an end to his career. I'm not sure when it happened, but yeah, he used to be a jock. And I don't think he ever got over not being one any more.

And as Prehistoric Jazz said, the debate was with Peter David. I wish I could find a video of it because I know it was recorded, but here's a transcript from Peter David's website.
Peter David, I think?


About what I'd expect from the guy that started a studio on the basis of YOU CREATE IT YOU OWN IT and then immediately turned around and told creators he owned their creations. I'm very glad his designs on Miracleman went into the toilet.
The funny thing is that Todd did tell people that Neil co-owned Angela, Medieval Spawn and Cagliostro when the issue first came out and bragged that he would give Neil more credit and money for the characters than Marvel ever would. And boy did that fuck Todd down the line.
 
In a cool down atm. The other week I finished plowing through the 2001 Hal Jordan Spectre run.

When I get some free time soon I'm gonna dive into this gem I got at my local shop's black friday sale.
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After that... feeling like some Ostrander, either his Spectre or Suicide Squad, haven't decided yet.
Don't forget that Ostrander did some great Star Wars comics
 
The funny thing is that Todd did tell people that Neil co-owned Angela, Medieval Spawn and Cagliostro when the issue first came out and bragged that he would give Neil more credit and money for the characters than Marvel ever would. And boy did that fuck Todd down the line.
Is it contrarian to say that Angela is a boring fucking character, and I can’t see why anyone would give a shit about her one way or another? I saw her pop up in a Marvel comic last week (Dr. Strange, maybe?) and just thought, “Damn she looks out of place here.”
 
Is it contrarian to say that Angela is a boring fucking character, and I can’t see why anyone would give a shit about her one way or another? I saw her pop up in a Marvel comic last week (Dr. Strange, maybe?) and just thought, “Damn she looks out of place here.”
I'm convinced people like her for how she looks and that's it. She's hardly even in any comics that are good. It's really annoying to me they brought her into the Dr. Strange in Asgard comic when Valkyrie who already was friends with him would've made more sense.

After that... feeling like some Ostrander, either his Spectre or Suicide Squad, haven't decided yet.
I can't speak for his Spectre run, but I loved his Suicide Squad. Small group of B-list hero's and failed villians and he makes them all so likable. Captain Boomerang is probably the highlight of the series.

What are you goys currently reading?
I've been switching between Bronze Age X-Men, Avengers and Defenders. It's probably my favorite era of Marvel and I wanted to fill in the parts I hadn't read yet.
 
I can't speak for his Spectre run, but I loved his Suicide Squad. Small group of B-list hero's and failed villians and he makes them all so likable. Captain Boomerang is probably the highlight of the series.
If you love his Suicide Squad, you will love his Spectre. The priest from it becomes a supporting character in it.
 
I've been switching between Bronze Age X-Men, Avengers and Defenders. It's probably my favorite era of Marvel and I wanted to fill in the parts I hadn't read yet.
I'm currently reading through the Claremont era of X-Men as well.

At the moment I'm bouncing between:
- X-Men Claremont era
- Doom 2099 omnibus
- Re-read of Preacher, currently on the third and last Absolute edition volume

And I got all the Spider-Woman Masterworks and the Elektra by Miller and Sienkiewicz omnibus to tackle as well.
 
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