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Ugh not paul.
So the collected Excalibur issues in the second Phoenix omnibus are....kind of odd? Its supposed to focus on Rachel and it does but there's a lot to it that doesn't? Like there's a lot of setup to it not involving her. These weird creatures fight the team then get hired to renovate the Lighthouse. Phoenix returns. Then there's like Brian bound and gagged and on trial for something? Then the main villain appears and defeats Rachel. Jean arrives with Xavier to assist in healing her. We learn about Rachel and her slavery in service to Ahab....God it was so out there I can't even really remember. Oh I think this one detective (?) dude gets murdered by the villain. He actually kills a ton of people. Oh also Roma shows up and Saturyrne. Roma's dad Merlyn appears even though he's been thought dead. There is also Meggan teasing Nightcrawler and so Brian gets extremely pissed and proceeds to beat the shit out of him???!!!
I was tempted to get high after reading this because its such a mindfuck.
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
Ugh not paul.
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Two thoughts:
1) The 1-2 punch of MJ dumping Paul on his ass and then IMMEDIATELY running to Peter for support in Amazing while aggressively friendzoning him is legit the realest bitch behavior I have ever read.
2) Peter (or Kaine or Ben or Chameleon or who the fuckever) telling her, “No, fuck off, fuck you,” is the most I’ve enjoyed the writing in a Spider-man comic since… shit… “My Dinner with Jonah”?
 
strumpets exeunt said:
Two thoughts:
1) The 1-2 punch of MJ dumping Paul on his ass and then IMMEDIATELY running to Peter for support in Amazing while aggressively friendzoning him is legit the realest bitch behavior I have ever read.
2) Peter (or Kaine or Ben or Chameleon or who the fuckever) telling her, “No, fuck off, fuck you,” is the most I’ve enjoyed the writing in a Spider-man comic since… shit… “My Dinner with Jonah”?
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So I knew they weren't going to get together because Marvel will never bow to the Peter/MJ fans, but doing it that way I can handle.
 
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The "modern age" of comics has lasted 40 years. Why?
 
That sounds dumb. I'd say the Iron Age was 1985 - 2010 or at least extend the Bronze Age to include the '90s. There's definitely a bigger gap in quality and style between a comic from 1990 and one from 2020 than there is between one from 1970 and one from 1980.
 
I've heard people make the claim it's because there hasn't been any real innovation in the industry since 1985 and the practices used to make the comics are too similar to how they where back in 1985 to change it. Personality I really disagree with it at least from a fan point of few. There's people out there today who have no issues reading modern comics, but refuse to read 90s stuff because "ugly art" and "too many words" so clearly something is different about the newer comics books compared to the stuff at the beginning of the era that it should be enough to sperate the two.
 
OutInTheRain said:
Lets be honest from about 2011 we've been in the gay age.
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strumpets exeunt said:
Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, Modern Age, Dystopian Age
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This. Since the 2010s, things have gotten terrible, in every sense of the word, and comics are not better. Stuff ranging from Joker getting pregnant for *reasons*, to Batgod becoming canon multiple times over, wokeness corrupting media and comics, etc. Add to this people are fed up with superheroes thanks to all of the re-horrible movies and shows out here to boot. In addition, the superhero comic has been pretty much replaced by manga, which can do everything it does and better. Comicbooks adapted to the digital format quite late, and then there's the issue that the main target for comics are increasingly cranky old farts who will not reproduce.

I believe though that wokeness, bad writing and ugly art/characters are mostly blame (and terrible writers like Tom King). No-one likes Ironheart, for example.

Anon88 said:
've heard people make the claim it's because there hasn't been any real innovation in the industry since 1985 and the practices used to make the comics are too similar to how they where back in 1985 to change it. Personality I really disagree with it at least from a fan point of few
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Well, there hasn't been that much innovation. Everything that could be said about Superman has been said already, and the static nature of these stories is working at their expense, not to mention current generations are dumber than before, which affects the current comics' quality. When you see Bats spotting a 'market being looted and set on fire and yet, he dismisses it because insurance will cover everything, you know you're for a (bad) treat.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
Well, there hasn't been that much innovation. Everything that could be said about Superman has been said already, and the static nature of these stories is working at their expense, not to mention current generations are dumber than before, which affects the current comics' quality. When you see Bats spotting a 'market being looted and set on fire and yet, he dismisses it because insurance will cover everything, you know you're for a (bad) treat.
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Digital colors, glossy paper, digital art, rampant tracing and rampant use of AI. Story-wise, there's less adherence to continuity. Fewer longer running series, with most titles capping out at 8-12 issues. Death of the newsstand and the transition of comics from a universal pasttime to a hobby for ultra-nerds and collectors. Endless fucking cover variants.

Even the greatest excesses of the 90s speculator boom feels quaint compared to modern day mystery bag covers.
 
Does anyone remember a fan site that uploaded most of the 90s sonic comics? It wasn't read comic online cause this was years ago going back to the mid 2000s. It's one of those memories I swear was real but is so foggy from how long ago it was.


But yeah I vaugley remember it was a small site that had uploaded most of the 90s somic comics including the fleetway series only printed in the uk. They uploaded mostly from 93 to 97 but the actual books were already up to issues 150 or so at the time and they couldn't upload anything that recent.

Again wish I had more to go on but I think this was before even youtube was around, a memory that's little more than a fragment now.
 
The greater a'tuin said:
The "modern age" of comics has lasted 40 years. Why?
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They haven't, a new age started at some point in the mid-late 2000s but there's no consensus as to any particular comic which heralded said change like Watchmen or The Death of Gwen Stacy. I'm sure people who know more than me on the topic could think of something but I'm not knowledgeable enough to finger any particular story.
 
Midwit said:
They haven't, a new age started at some point in the mid-late 2000s but there's no consensus as to any particular comic which heralded said change like Watchmen or The Death of Gwen Stacy. I'm sure people who know more than me on the topic could think of something but I'm not knowledgeable enough to finger any particular story.
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Identity Crisis was definitely a big shift into everything being gritty for gritty's sake and that also transitioned into basically shaming heroes for being heroes and the social justice stuff we've seen throughout the 2010s.
 
PrincessHomura said:
stuff we've seen throughout the 2010s.
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Ironheart I believe appeared around the 2016, that's when I would say the Clown Age for superhero comics began, the 2010s. Miles Morales aka Black Spiderman with totally not Adidas shoes appeared in 2011, conveniently enough.
Not sure if to count the Absolute X comics (ie: Batman) as part of this age or a retread of the 90s.
 
strumpets exeunt said:
Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, Modern Age, Dystopian Age
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OutInTheRain said:
Lets be honest from about 2011 we've been in the gay age.
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I've always thought the 1990s until 2011 (New 52, nerd culture shift) would be called the Dark Age of Comic Books.
Unironically though, the Modern Age from 1990s until 2013-ish should be called the Digital Age, where the current age we're in would be called the Inclusionary Age (2014-present)
I'm not above calling our current era from 2014-present the Homo Age though as @OutInTheRain said.
 
Wasn’t hush 2 supposed to finish before the new Batman relaunch? Embarassing
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
Identity Crisis was an absolute mess.. Still don't get why it happened. Did editorial like pick names out of a hat? Like oh I got Sue Dibny time to kill her off in a horrifying way but also reveal an even worse thing that happened in the past to her.
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Eh, that’s Meltzer for you. Dude knew comics and loved the medium, for sure, but he’ll always be an airport newsstand novelist at heart.
 
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