Spartans Were Losers - The U.S. military’s admiration of a proto-fascist city-state is based on bad history.

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A competitor dressed as a Spartan warrior takes part in the 2010 Tough Guy race in Telford, England, on Jan. 31, 2010. MICHAEL REGAN/GETTY IMAGES

The Athenian historian Thucydides once remarked that Sparta was so lacking in impressive temples or monuments that future generations who found the place deserted would struggle to believe it had ever been a great power. But even without physical monuments, the memory of Sparta is very much alive in the modern United States. In popular culture, Spartans star in film and feature as the protagonists of several of the largest video game franchises. The Spartan brand is used to promote obstacle races, fitness equipment, and firearms. Sparta has also become a political rallying cry, including by members of the extreme right who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Sparta is gone, but the glorification of Sparta—Spartaganda, as it were—is alive and well.

Even more concerning is the U.S. military’s love of all things Spartan. The U.S. Army, of course, has a Spartan Brigade (Motto: “Sparta Lives”) as well as a Task Force Spartan and Spartan Warrior exercises, while the Marine Corps conducts Spartan Trident littoral exercises—an odd choice given that the Spartans were famously very poor at littoral operations. Beyond this sort of official nomenclature, unofficial media regularly invites comparisons between U.S. service personnel and the Spartans as well.

Much of this tendency to imagine U.S. soldiers as Spartan warriors comes from Steven Pressfield’s historical fiction novel Gates of Fire, still regularly assigned in military reading lists. The book presents the Spartans as superior warriors from an ultra-militarized society bravely defending freedom (against an ethnically foreign “other,” a feature drawn out more explicitly in the comic and later film 300). Sparta in this vision is a radically egalitarian society predicated on the cultivation of manly martial virtues. Yet this image of Sparta is almost entirely wrong. Spartan society was singularly unworthy of emulation or praise, especially in a democratic society.

To start with, the Spartan reputation for military excellence turns out to be, on closer inspection, mostly a mirage. Despite Sparta’s reputation for superior fighting, Spartan armies were as likely to lose battles as to win them, especially against peer opponents such as other Greek city-states. Sparta defeated Athens in the Peloponnesian War—but only by accepting Persian money to do it, reopening the door to Persian influence in the Aegean, which Greek victories at Plataea and Salamis nearly a century early had closed. Famous Spartan victories at Plataea and Mantinea were matched by consequential defeats at Pylos, Arginusae, and ultimately Leuctra. That last defeat at Leuctra, delivered by Thebes a mere 33 years after Sparta’s triumph over Athens, broke the back of Spartan power permanently, reducing Sparta to the status of a second-class power from which it never recovered.

Sparta was one of the largest Greek city-states in the classical period, yet it struggled to achieve meaningful political objectives; the result of Spartan arms abroad was mostly failure. Sparta was particularly poor at logistics; while Athens could maintain armies across the Eastern Mediterranean, Sparta repeatedly struggled to keep an army in the field even within Greece. Indeed, Sparta spent the entirety of the initial phase of the Peloponnesian War, the Archidamian War (431-421 B.C.), failing to solve the basic logistical problem of operating long term in Attica, less than 150 miles overland from Sparta and just a few days on foot from the nearest friendly major port and market, Corinth.

The Spartans were at best tactically and strategically uncreative. Tactically, Sparta employed the phalanx, a close-order shield and spear formation. But while elements of the hoplite phalanx are often presented in popular culture as uniquely Spartan, the formation and its equipment were common among the Greeks from at least the early fifth century, if not earlier. And beyond the phalanx, the Spartans were not innovators, slow to experiment with new tactics, combined arms, and naval operations. Instead, Spartan leaders consistently tried to solve their military problems with pitched hoplite battles. Spartan efforts to compel friendship by hoplite battle were particularly unsuccessful, as with the failed Spartan efforts to compel Corinth to rejoin the Spartan-led Peloponnesian League by force during the Corinthian War.

Sparta’s military mediocrity seems inexplicable given the city-state’s popular reputation as a highly militarized society, but modern scholarship has shown that this, too, is mostly a mirage. The agoge, Sparta’s rearing system for citizen boys, frequently represented in popular culture as akin to an intense military bootcamp, in fact included no arms training or military drills and was primarily designed to instill obedience and conformity rather than skill at arms or tactics. In order to instill that obedience, the older boys were encouraged to police the younger boys with violence, with the result that even in adulthood Spartan citizens were liable to settle disputes with their fists, a tendency that predictably made them poor diplomats.

But while Sparta’s military performance was merely mediocre, no better or worse than its Greek neighbors, Spartan politics makes it an exceptionally bad example for citizens or soldiers in a modern free society. Modern scholars continue to debate the degree to which ancient Sparta exercised a unique tyranny of the state over the lives of individual Spartan citizens. However, the Spartan citizenry represented only a tiny minority of people in Sparta, likely never more than 15 percent, including women of citizen status (who could not vote or hold office). Instead, the vast majority of people in Sparta, between 65 and 85 percent, were enslaved helots. (The remainder of the population was confined to Sparta’s bewildering array of noncitizen underclasses.) The figure is staggering, far higher than any other ancient Mediterranean state or, for instance, the antebellum American South, rightly termed a slave society with a third of its people enslaved.

The ancient sources are effectively unanimous that the helots were the worst treated slaves in all of Greece; helotry was an institution that shocked the conscience of Athenian slaveholders. Critias, an Athenian collaborator with Sparta, was said to have quipped that it was in Sparta that “the free were most free and the slaves most a slave,” a staggering statement about a society that was mostly enslaved (and about Critias as a person that he thought this was praise). Plutarch reports the various ways that the Spartans humiliated and degraded the helots, while the Athenian orator Isocrates argued that it was a crime to murder enslaved people everywhere in Greece, except Sparta. Sparta, with both the most slaves per capita and the worst treated slaves, was likely the least free society in the whole of the ancient world.

Nor were the Spartans particularly good stewards of Greek freedom. While their place in popular culture, motivated by films such as 300, puts the Spartans at the head of efforts to defend Greek freedom from the expanding Persian Empire, Sparta was not always so averse to Persia. Unable to deal with the Athenian fleet itself, Sparta accepted Persian money during the Peloponnesian War to build its own, selling the Ionian Greeks back into Persian rule in exchange for humbling Athens. That war won the Spartans a brief hegemony in Greece, which they quickly squandered, ending up at war with their former allies in Corinth.

Unable to win that war either, Sparta again turned to Persia to enforce a peace, called the “King’s Peace,” which sold yet more Greek city-states to the Persian king in exchange for making Sparta into Persia’s local enforcer in Greece, tasked with preventing the emergence of larger Greek alliances that could challenge Persia. Far from being the defender of Greek independence, when given the chance the Spartans opened not only the windows but also the doors to Persian rule. They also refused to join in Alexander the Great’s expedition against Persia, for which Alexander mocked them by dedicating the spoils of his first victories “from all of the Greeks, except the Spartans.”

Instead of a society of freedom-defending super-warriors, Sparta is better understood as a place where the wealthiest class of landholder, the Spartans themselves, had succeeded in reducing the great majority of their poor compatriots to slavery and excluded the rest, called the perioikoi, from political participation or citizenship. The tiny minority of Spartan citizens derived their entire income from the labor of slaves, being legally barred from doing any productive work or engaging in commerce.

And rather than spending their time in ascetic military training, they spent their ample leisure time doing the full suite of expensive, aristocratic Greek pastimes: hunting (a pastime for the wealthy rather than a means of subsistence in the ancient world), eating amply, accumulating money, funding Olympic teams, breeding horses, and so on. Greek authors such as Xenophon and Plutarch continually insist that the golden age of Spartan austerity and egalitarianism existed in the distant past, but each author pushes that golden age further and further into that past, and in any event, archaeology tells us it was never so.

And that lavish lifestyle was clearly very important to the Spartans because they were willing to sacrifice all of their other ambitions on the altar to it. Beginning in the early 400s, the population of Spartan citizens, defined by being rich enough in land to make the mess contributions that were a key part of military and social lfie, began to decline as Spartan families used inheritance and marriage to consolidate holdings and increase their wealth, from 8,000 Spartan citizens in 480 B.C. to 3,500 in 418 to 2,500 in 394 to just 1,500 in 371. The collapse in the number of Spartans who qualified for citizenship had disastrous effects on the manpower available for the Spartan army, causing Sparta’s strategic ambitions to all crumble, one by one. Yet efforts by Agis IV (245-241 B.C.) and Cleomenes III (235-222 B.C.) to arrest the decline were foiled precisely because the Spartan political system denied any political voice to any but the leisured rich, who had little incentive to change.

Sparta is no inspiration for the leaders of a free state. Sparta was a prison in the guise of a state and added little to the sum of the human experience except suffering. No American, much less any U.S. soldier, should aspire to be like a Spartan.

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Sparta was a regimented military state, they did have good training (far better than anything our people get, the average spartan would easily 1v1 the average westerner) but they also benefited form having exceptionally good PR which is carried them into fame.

Obviously they weren't all show otherwise the Peloponnesian war wouldn't have been a thing and they wouldn't have won. Yeah sure their power is oversated but they weren't nobodies.

 
So according to the author the Spartants were bad at everything ever yet somehow kept their fame and wealth for a long time, as well as being well known as great warriors...

Modern history is dead and if a few decades ago people at least tried to somewhat get an objective picture, now it's basically a question on which political side a subject falls and from that results whether they were great at anything and failed for no reason at all, or were terrible at absolutely everything yet they did bad things without any issue .
 
I agree, we should look towards Athens instead.

Aristotle and many other Athenians mocked the Spartans for being the greek polis which gave the most rights to their woman, and joked that the Spartans were dominated by them. Athens was also known for being far more imperialistic and brutal in their conduct, subjugating the freedom of client states and crushing any opposition when they were in control of the Delian League.

Truly those slave holding, COMMIE (Sparta was founded on appropriating all land and spliting it equally among all citizens), woman dominated chuds should not be looked up to. We need to look to the free democracy of Athens, true democracy in action, to ban all woman from politics.
 
Sparta was a regimented military state, they did have good training (far better than anything our people get, the average spartan would easily 1v1 the average westerner) but they also benefited form having exceptionally good PR which is carried them into fame.
But I think that’s the point. Sparta focused on regimentation, on conformity and obedience, which, yes, while not nothing, neglected key social concessions, diplomacy and forward tactical thinking that the more sophisticated Greek states adopted, leaving them stagnant, vulnerable to enemy influence and dependent on an oppressed, disenfranchised underclass that saw positive alternatives elsewhere. Considering this from a site quite literally called ‘Foreign Policy’ and is directed at the U.S military, what this reads like is a war hawk making a historical analogy to modern day threats to American national security; lack of tactical innovation and methods of threat appraisal, corruption through foreign interests and infiltration, a disenfranchised majority undermining social stability and a mythology of reputation that outweighs practical achievement.

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Have we gotten so bored with everything, we need to rank and critique which ancient slave owning society was worse?

It was already said, but this could be a disguised critique at the current USA. The only difference is the USA does do logistics well... ... ... At least we used to. Sure we can project and sustain, but we just dump shit and leave instead of bringing it back.
 
This was one of the dumber things I've read lately, it's very clumsy agitprop
Have we gotten so bored with everything, we need to rank and critique which ancient slave owning society was worse?

It was already said, but this could be a disguised critique at the current USA. The only difference is the USA does do logistics well... ... ... At least we used to. Sure we can project and sustain, but we just dump shit and leave instead of bringing it back.
Because it's cheaper to do that than bring it back. It's part of why American logistics are the best in the world by far. We didn't "used to" do them well, we still do them well. This ledditard :smug: pronouncements stuff is cringe af. Sure we can project and sustain... ummm like that's nothing? What? That's the point. If the US couldn't project and sustain because it left equipment behind it would be an issue. It can so leaving stuff behind is irrelevant
 
I have to agree that Spartan worship is cringe and fucked up. Nasty, evil lot. Strength for its own sake isn’t a worthwhile goal. What kind of society you’re building does matter.

Sparta contributed nothing to the world.
I agree that Sparta worship is cringe but saying they've never contributed anything to the world is ridiculous. If that were true, we wouldn't be talking about them thousands of years after their twilight.
 
The tiny minority of Spartan citizens derived their entire income from the labor of slaves, being legally barred from doing any productive work or engaging in commerce.

And rather than spending their time in ascetic military training, they spent their ample leisure time doing the full suite of expensive, aristocratic Greek pastimes: hunting (a pastime for the wealthy rather than a means of subsistence in the ancient world), eating amply, accumulating money, funding Olympic teams, breeding horses, and so on.
So they derived their income from managing the slaves, like every CEO or even middle manager is doing "in a democratic society". And then they spent their free time doing the same things people "in a democratic society" are doing. I haven't learned anything about Spartan history since fifth grade so I can't comment on the factual correctness, but I know a bad syllogism when I see one.
 
I agree that Sparta worship is cringe but saying they've never contributed anything to the world is ridiculous. If that were true, we wouldn't be talking about them thousands of years after their twilight.
We talk about what tough guys they were. They left behind no beautiful art, no philosophy/science, no business practices, no political ideologies or ethics that we use.


The way I’ve heard Spartan society described was that a tiny core of ruling caste lorded over a vast population of slaves who they could and would arbitrarily kill for terror and were brutal eugenicists (abortionists). This class didn’t enjoy their wealth, though, because needing to be 3lite melon labe commandos meant they had to sleep on the ground and drink pigs blood instead. Their society stayed 100% geared up for war all the time. It was an army with a plantation attached to it, not a country. Despite being the biggest badasses around, they wound up getting conquered by a much more moderate people (Romans) anyways, and they sat on their asses while Macedonia made the Hellenistic world AND spread Athenian culture.

Spartans had civil rights, but when it came down to what they actually did it was like living in a mixed hellish North Korea/Nazi Germany hybrid. Their reward for being super soldiers was that they had to live like Spartans.

Persia did nothing wrong.
 
Were Athenians or Spartans the ones fucking kids way more than the other city-state?
Nobody knows. Spartans probably did less of it.

Keep in mind, I’m assuming you’re talking about pederasty, but in the ancient world man-girl pedophilia was common everywhere. If it was a slave nobody cared because she was property of her owner. So in an argument about who’s more pedophile than thou they’re all equally guilty .
 
Have we gotten so bored with everything, we need to rank and critique which ancient slave owning society was worse?
Guy has an PhD in something that might be related to archeology or history care about and he specializes in that particular period of history. It's just an byproduct of modern academia: The guy can't get an decent tenure at an university or work as an historian, so he became an woke journalist to churn out clickbait
 
Persian hands typed this. Stay mad fags Xerxes was bitch made.
 
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