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Japan wanted to move the headquarters to America and then install people who would do the bidding for the main Japanese branch of Sony because Yoshida wants to have the company focus on it's own IPs and start being known for those. Sony (the Japanese parent company itself) has full control over the playstation brand like they've never had before. It's mirroring Nintendo when it was run by Yamuchi. Yoshida's whole mantra is about cost cutting and efficiency which was why he reformed Japan studio, after the kadokawa deal they already had about a dozen more companies added to their reserves who also made games and the people who left Japan studio made their own studios who are now considered external development. When he came into being the CEO in 2018 Sony was restructuring so they could effectively utilize all their branches as a single unit. They'd make their own hardware, they'd make their own media formats, they'd make their own music, and they'd make their own IPs to go along with them and have those be linked to games, TV and movies.

Except none of that actually happened. And it isn't happening. Nobody buys Sony hardware. Nobody buys their phones, or audio equipment. Samsung is eating their lunch in the tv market, and that market is contracting quickly as more people watch TV on the computers, phones, iPads and the like, with the corona virus making even mighty Samsung cautious. The camera industry, the one consumer electronics industry they actually do well in, is withering away, a years long ongoing trend, with 2019, the year before the pandemic, being the worst year on record for the industry. That year, Sony were the only one of the Japanese companies to even post a profit in the sector, and that was largely due to the fact that Sony had a dominant position in the Smartphone image sensor market, not because they sold more cameras. The very next year, Sony still came in second to Canon when it came to actual camera sales. Its only because Sony does well in mirrorless sales that they do any business there at all. Sony's plan to integrate their hardware with their other businesses is dead in the water because their hardware doesn't sell. No wonder they spun off all their consumer electronics businesses into a separate subsidiary.

As for media formats, the media format wars are over. Sony introduced the winner of the last major format war in the Blu-ray, but it hardly mattered. By then, digital was king, and nobody was buying disks.

Their music business is highly susceptible to piracy, and they don't have their own market like iTunes to dominate that segment.

Their film business was a money pit for almost its entire existence. It only started doing well in recent years thanks to that Jumanji movie (which was better than it had any right to be) and Enter the Spiderverse, but it still can't really compete on a level playing field with the likes of Disney or Warner Bros., not even getting into the havoc the pandemic has played on the industry.

Sony's one success is in video games, where they dominated this past generation, but are now getting the destroyed by the Switch, while the pandemic slows their production.

The Japanese developers don't give a rats ass about censorship since they want full on access to China and other larger markets over anything else, where Sony is already more established than it's competition.

Market penetration of video games into the Chinese market is still limited and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. The only games doing well their are free play phone games and the like. Japanese companies almost certainly do care about censorship, because they know that the American and Japanese audiences don't like it, hence why many go out of their way make Switch versions and openly market them as uncensored.

The Kadokawa deal is pretty major and companies like Falcom have already immediately benefitted from it. Sony is still backing the development of Falcom's games and they're also funding the Legend of Heroes anime series itself.
Not sure what deal your talking about. Also Falcom is an independent developer who are also releasing all their newest games on both PC and Switch. As far as I know, they get no special backing from Sony, and are willing to follow the money and go to Switch and PC, so clearly they aren't showing favoritism to Sony.

The stuff you're quoting is years old and it's not all that accurate, especially since their latest shareholders meeting had Yoshida tell what the future plans are going to be.
I never said that the info I quoted was new. I specifically pointed out that it looked at a specific historical period (Sony from 2002 to 2012), so your statement is completely pointless. Also, nothing in that article is inaccurate as far as factual information goes. All of it, from the quotes from the executives to the financial information is verifiable, and none of it has anything to do with what ever bullshit Yoshida has shoved up the investors (and yours, apparently) asses.

The Japanese branches of playstation fucked up a ton of things in the past which was why the American division took over after PS3 launched bombed.
And here you are basically proving the article's point, and my point exactly.
 
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Except none of that actually happened. And it isn't happening. Nobody buys Sony hardware. Nobody buys their phones, or audio equipment. Samsung is eating their lunch in the tv market, and that market is contracting quickly as more people watch TV on the computers, phones, iPads and the like, with the corona virus making even mighty Samsung cautious. The camera industry, the one consumer electronics industry they actually do well in, is withering away, a years long ongoing trend, with 2019, the year before the pandemic, being the worst year on record for the industry. That year, Sony were only one of the Japanese company to even post a profit in the sector, and that was largely due to the fact that Sony had a dominant position in the Smartphone image sensor market, not because they sold more cameras. The very next year, Sony still came in second to Canon when it came to actual camera sales. Its only because Sony does well in mirrorless sales that they do any business there at all. Sony's plan to integrate their hardware with their other businesses is dead in the water because their hardware doesn't sell. No wonder they spun off all their consumer electronics businesses into a separate subsidiary.

Because they stopped innovating. Their hardware is pretty much rebadged Chinesium at this point. Why would I buy a 40th Anniversary Walkman when it is literally an app on a fiddled with Android phone with the phone bits ripped out.

I don't think Sony have it in them to come out with anything truly innovative any more.

I also think that they have been colonised by Hollywood and the music industry is why their Playstation exclusive vidya are all interactive movies at this point, for the most part. Their policy of releasing older Playstation exclusives onto PC is not making people want to buy a PS5 for the next in the series. Horizon Zero Dawn, for example, looks and plays miles better (once the crashiness was sorted out) on PC, so people are thinking, meh, why should I buy a PS5 when I can just wait for the next instalment of Red Headed Stepchild Mecha Adventures to appear on PC in 2023 or so which will smash the PS5 hardware out the water anyhow.

This is all reminiscent of how they sold the PS3 at a huge loss and then said that it being more expensive than the Xbox 360 was a good thing because it's aspirational and people should work for it. They never did that previously with their gear. Yes, a Trinitron television was expensive in the 1970s but it was objectively better than most of the competition bar super duper professional grade broadcast monitors and similar. It was still priced as being affordable to normies. And a Sony tape deck with Dolby S and metal tape settings was expensive in the 1980s but was affordable for normies and while real enthusiast grade decks like the Nakamichi Dragon or Tandberg 3014 were noticeably superior, they were way more expensive.

Sony just don't have the cachet to be aspirational and they don't have the enthusiast / specialist chops to charge enthusiast prices. They need to go back to producing stuff that's accessible to normies but better than most normie grade gear. Audiophiles didn't buy Sony. They bought a Technics SL-1200, a Nakamichi Dragon, a Marantz receiver, Wharfedale speakers, and stacked it all up with a fuckton of unnecessary cables. Similarly, computing hardware enthusiasts don't by a Playstation 5. They assemble their own PCs with enthusiast grade parts.
 
The only thing Sony has now as a lucrative cash cow is Playstation. Even with their recent blunders. Their movies aren't selling well and their electronics division is fading into obscurity thanks to a rapid market.
That is very wrong.

Tom Rothman has really turned Sony Pictures around, well profitability wise, quality-wise that's up for debate. Now they got deals with Netflix and Disney which will bring Sony even more money.



Also got music which sony make a lot of money on, they may be the biggest music company in the world.

But overall, the idea that Sony only cash cow is Playstation is outright wrong, it's their biggest one right now but not the only one. Imaging and sensing technology being one of the big areas of growth for them

Hell they even made a profit on their smartphones last year, the first time since 2017
 
But overall, the idea that Sony only cash cow is Playstation is outright wrong, it's their biggest one right now but not the only one. Imaging and sensing technology being one of the big areas of growth for them
I will say that you are right that Playstation isn't the only profitable division, though its is clearly the cash cow right now. Their Semiconductor business is also really successful (when it isn't being disrupted by earthquakes), and their financial services business has always done well. Music has also been holding strong for them, even in the face of piracy. The problem is that their successful divisions are being held down by their unsuccessful ones, which they prop up with the successful ones. Their film division has only been successful relatively recently, with massive losses reported as recently as 2017, but that is probably more due to everybody else in the biz feeling the effects of COVID.

Hell they even made a profit on their smartphones last year, the first time since 2017
Sony profits in phones in aren't worth talking about. They are profitable because Sony has literally slashed that division and cut down on its products and workforce so much that it literally has no choice but to be profitable based on margins alone. Sony itself doesn't even hold 1% of the market share in that segment and has done nothing but continue to shrink it to irrelevance:

Sony Mobile reportedly taking the exit in several markets
Sony’s mobile business is shrinking out of existence
Sony's failing smartphone business should come as no surprise
Should Sony Pull the Plug on Its Smartphone Business?

Hell, the article you linked to even points out that the profitability of their smartphone business wasn't due to actually selling phones (they only sold "2.9 million Xperia smartphones in 2020, down from the 3.2 million shipped in 2019"), but due to, as the article puts it, “cost reductions”, and even then, those profits were only about $255 million and in Q1 2021 they still lost around $130 million. Honestly, Sony should do what LG is doing and shut down their phone business as its basically a non-player at this point. In fact, its probably only a matter of time, a matter of when, not if.
 
The only thing Sony has now as a lucrative cash cow is Playstation. Even with their recent blunders. Their movies aren't selling well and their electronics division is fading into obscurity thanks to a rapid market.
Even their music division is s game publisher now. They call themselves Unties, and they publish shit like the slighty controversial Tiny Metal(was made using kickstarter cash from a diff game iirc) and Touhou shit.

Also fuck Gaystation. I havent bought a Sony console since Vita and i never will again.
 
That is very wrong.

Tom Rothman has really turned Sony Pictures around, well profitability wise, quality-wise that's up for debate. Now they got deals with Netflix and Disney which will bring Sony even more money.



Also got music which sony make a lot of money on, they may be the biggest music company in the world.

But overall, the idea that Sony only cash cow is Playstation is outright wrong, it's their biggest one right now but not the only one. Imaging and sensing technology being one of the big areas of growth for them

Hell they even made a profit on their smartphones last year, the first time since 2017
Sony also still largely represents the highest end in consumer Electronics. For the last few months I got super autistic and researched high end TVs before settling with an LG CX while it was heavily discounted.

The Sony OLEDs in my research is the best TV money can buy. With that said LG is so close (and cheaper) that I believe it's next to impossible for anyone besides a true expert to perceive a difference. Their headphones are also really good too. This comes with the caveat that it comes with a Sony Tax not unlike the Apple Tax.

South Korea has incredible manufacturers in Samsung & LG. Hell Vizio is the best in terms of pure value. But if you value quality without falling into the nightmare cash burning realm of audio/video-phile wormhole electronics Sony products represent a reasonable option.
 
Sony also still largely represents the highest end in consumer Electronics. For the last few months I got super autistic and researched high end TVs before settling with an LG CX while it was heavily discounted.

The Sony OLEDs in my research is the best TV money can buy. With that said LG is so close (and cheaper) that I believe it's next to impossible for anyone besides a true expert to perceive a difference. Their headphones are also really good too. This comes with the caveat that it comes with a Sony Tax not unlike the Apple Tax.

South Korea has incredible manufacturers in Samsung & LG. Hell Vizio is the best in terms of pure value. But if you value quality without falling into the nightmare cash burning realm of audio/video-phile wormhole electronics Sony products represent a reasonable option.
Sony prices their stuff like its high end, but the truth is their stuff is not markedly better than any of their competitors. At least, not better enough to justify paying the higher price over a cheaper competitor. That's one of their main problems: they price their stuff like its premium when its no better than any of their competitors, and nowhere near as good as actual specialist equipment that would command a higher price. Its why, once again, nobody buys their stuff.
 
Sony prices their stuff like its high end, but the truth is their stuff is not markedly better than any of their competitors. At least, not better enough to justify paying the higher price over a cheaper competitor. That's one of their main problems: they price their stuff like its premium when its no better than any of their competitors, and nowhere near as good as actual specialist equipment that would command a higher price. Its why, once again, nobody buys their stuff.
I generally trust Cnet's tech nerds. They consider Sony's Sony WH-1000XM4 to be the best noise canceling headphones. TV I'm referring to is Sony A80J, very well received by Rtings who go really indepth on picture quality.

Again at this level of tech hardware quality can and will be very much up to debate. And I'm sure Sony has some lousy products in their gigantic lineup. But I can't fault someone who values the Sony brand as they're still capable of producing some solid products. They're certainly better than Apple whose prestige has allowed them to let the Mac OS turn into utter garbage because people will keep buying Macbooks.
 
I will say that you are right that Playstation isn't the only profitable division, though its is clearly the cash cow right now. Their Semiconductor business is also really successful (when it isn't being disrupted by earthquakes), and their financial services business has always done well. Music has also been holding strong for them, even in the face of piracy. The problem is that their successful divisions are being held down by their unsuccessful ones, which they prop up with the successful ones. Their film division has only been successful relatively recently, with massive losses reported as recently as 2017, but that is probably more due to everybody else in the biz feeling the effects of COVID.


Sony profits in phones in aren't worth talking about. They are profitable because Sony has literally slashed that division and cut down on its products and workforce so much that it literally has no choice but to be profitable based on margins alone. Sony itself doesn't even hold 1% of the market share in that segment and has done nothing but continue to shrink it to irrelevance:

Sony Mobile reportedly taking the exit in several markets
Sony’s mobile business is shrinking out of existence
Sony's failing smartphone business should come as no surprise
Should Sony Pull the Plug on Its Smartphone Business?

Hell, the article you linked to even points out that the profitability of their smartphone business wasn't due to actually selling phones (they only sold "2.9 million Xperia smartphones in 2020, down from the 3.2 million shipped in 2019"), but due to, as the article puts it, “cost reductions”, and even then, those profits were only about $255 million and in Q1 2021 they still lost around $130 million. Honestly, Sony should do what LG is doing and shut down their phone business as its basically a non-player at this point. In fact, its probably only a matter of time, a matter of when, not if.
2017 was really the last of the Amy Pascal shit to come out that Tom Rothman inherited. The funny thing is Ghostbuster 2016 was nearly an even bigger flop but Tom Rothman last minute removed $15 million from the budget. Yeah, Sony Pictures making money is only a new thing, and they still do have a few flops such as Charlie's Angels and Gemini Man that come out but lower budget and them having more hits have been covering the money losers. However, if you look at the budgets for Sony movies, they are all much cheaper now Spider-Man Far From Home cost $160 million, while The Amazing Spider-Man 1 cost $230 million. Old Sony gave Jack and Jill a budget of $79 million which is just crazy, many of the pre-2017 movies had just crazy budgets that made 0 sense.

But I have a feeling Sony is going a much bigger force in the marker industry, mainly being the only big studio not to join the streaming wars. Streaming companies want content so bidding wars have already been seen for Sony movies streaming rights, and that demand is only going to go up. Plus have HBO Max moving movies to be date and date streaming, pissed off a lot of filmmakers and Sony Pictures have stated they have got a lot more interest from filmmakers since then.


But you are right on phones, overcrowded market, to even try to make huge profits would require a lot of investments which would be incredibly risky and better used in another division.
 
I generally trust Cnet's tech nerds. They consider Sony's Sony WH-1000XM4 to be the best noise canceling headphones. TV I'm referring to is Sony A80J, very well received by Rtings who go really indepth on picture quality.

But most normie grade TVs are 95% as good as that nowadays anyhow, esp. from Sammy or LG. This isn't like the Trinitron era when they had a whole different technology that produced sharper, brighter, and more colourful pictures that only they controlled. And their headphones while still good won't compete with Grado or Beyerdynamic or other audiophile tier stuff, but they charge about as much.
 
But I have a feeling Sony is going a much bigger force in the marker industry, mainly being the only big studio not to join the streaming wars
Not entirely true, crunchyroll is all them. But they've effectively got the anime market's lion's share since many smaller localization companies like Discotek have worked out deals with them.
 
Not entirely true, crunchyroll is all them. But they've effectively got the anime market's lion's share since many smaller localization companies like Discotek have worked out deals with them.
True, however, they only have gone into niche markets for streaming such as anime, and they also bought Pure Flix who made shitty religious movies like God's Not Dead and they also own a streaming platform.

But those are niche and they aren't going to start putting their big movies and series on them and in no way competing with Netlfix, Disney+ and the others. I could see Sony however building or buying more niche streaming platforms such as Shudder.
 
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Not sure where to put this, but I'm jealous that Europe got blue boxes for PS2 games while we got stuck with basic black.

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I like video game cases with unique colors. You KNOW what it associates with. Green = Xbox. White = Wii.

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Does the banner have to be that huge?
 
On the subject of game cases:
The Vita's were SHIT. So small they look weird next to regular size-cases on the shelf and the little plastic flap that holds the game is poop
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Here's a size comparison with a PS3 game from Google.
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Unfortunately, the Nintendo Switch went on to have really small game cases too, but that's OT.
 
On the subject of game cases:
The Vita's were SHIT. So small they look weird next to regular size-cases on the shelf and the little plastic flap that holds the game is poop
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Here's a size comparison with a PS3 game from Google.
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Unfortunately, the Nintendo Switch went on to have really small game cases too, but that's OT.
I've never seen that pull tab in my Vita game cases. Was it designed like that outside of America? That little indent was still there, though you just put your finger in there and push the game out from behind.

They weren't great, the games are so thin that it felt like you might snap them, but it worked. Not like it really matters anymore now that you can buy a big ass MicroSD and just load up every game you'll ever want to play on the platform.

I like the Switch's game case dimensions better, but at least Vita games had unique spines for each game, rather than the Switch insisting on every game having the same small white lettering and being otherwise completely red. It makes for a very bland game shelf.

Still though, both are gay in that you stick them on your game shelf with all your other games that have the same width since DVD and Blu-ray cases have the same width, but then Vita and Switch games sink in and it looks like shit
 
My PS4 is dying, it won't stop ejecting the disc and beeping when it doesn't have anything inserted. I can't play shit on it without it causing a ruckus, and tilting it on its side the whole time doesn't work anymore.

Fantastic, yet another playstation to add to my pile of broken playstation shit over the years

so i guess i could drop some dolla dolla billz to replace it, but then I'd feel like a retard getting any kind of PS4 when I could put the money towards a PS5, but then again the PS5 is such an ugly son of a bitch, like hooooooooooooly shit, if i had more motivation i'd write out a sperg novel about how it's SUCH an ugly piece of shit
 
On the subject of game cases:
The Vita's were SHIT. So small they look weird next to regular size-cases on the shelf and the little plastic flap that holds the game is poop
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Here's a size comparison with a PS3 game from Google.
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Unfortunately, the Nintendo Switch went on to have really small game cases too, but that's OT.
Oh come one, the Japanese Gamecube cases that preceded them were adorable.

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Look at how big those tiny discs look!
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