Sony hate thread

[Incecticyder]

Queen Asha straight up told Todd to stop fucking around and actually took the Fallout IP from them. And Bethesda actually makes money for MS.
Kojima ballwashers are fucking insane. MGS3 was 22 YEARS AGO

You are forgetting that MS actually owns Bethesda. After the buyout, Bethesda had no say to begin with. Kojima's studio was just very friendly with Sony as opposed to outright own by them. Also, you realize you can believe that both Sony and Kojima suck, right?

2.5 million doesn't seem that bad.

Shh, that is like telling a kid there is no Santa. Really, DS2 did badly. However, Sony gave little to no oversight on much worse things so they can't throw rocks. They knew that SBI is poison and yet they kept them on. The Wolverine failure was forecasted for a while and nothing was done.


To conclude, in my opinion, Sony is like a structure whose pillars are almost all rotten and cracked. Some are in good condition and some are in a less bad condition. But, overall, they have to be demolished one by one and a new one should be put in each of their places. Before the removal of the Kojima pillar, they should have made sure that there was adequate support so that the structure doesn't collapse while it is missing the pillar and a new one should be brought to replace it. The problem is that Sony didn't add the support for the vacuum left by Kojima, nor did it think about bringing his replacement.

 

[p1138]

2.5 million doesn't seem that bad.

2.5 million copies sold is 150 million dollars in revenue, with a supposed budget of 150-175 million before marketing costs and since some of those sales were on Steam, that's another 30% out the window on each copy sold there. If we assume 4/5 of copies sold were via playstation(so the cost is basically internal) that's 120 million in revenue, that means the remaining 500k copies would have made at most 21 million due to Steam taking 9 million off the top, bringing that down to 141 million in revenue. The higher percentage of copies sold on Steam, the worse that gets. Additionally, copies sold at a discounted rate also make that number worse.

If the game had sold 3.5 million or better, you might have a point since we don't know the exact budget, but again there's still marketing and other operating costs that can eat into profit still as well.

That's not a sales number to be bragging about. Meanwhile Death Stranding 1 apparently sold 5 million copies(in under 2 years), and a half million of those were on steam in the first month. This is an actual success.

Shh, that is like telling a kid there is no Santa. Really, DS2 did badly.

Have you even tried to do some basic math? Kojima isn't going to fuck you.

edit: And at $70 a copy instead of 60, it's really not much better.

 

[Soggy Floppa]

Wasting Sony's money is based, Kojima is a gigachad

 

[Incecticyder]

Have you even tried to do some basic math? Kojima isn't going to fuck you.

If I was being praised the same way I "praise" Kojima, I would expect a punch rather than a kiss. You have a hard time comprehending that I can think little of Kojima and still think Sony was stupid for letting it get to this.

 

[MirrorNoir]

Adding to this, GTA > people who give a shit, let alone know what Kojima even is. Wolverine is a steaming pile of shit, but GTA will make Sony more than anything Kojima ever could with his non MGS even if it sucks. Sony is probably betting everything on GTA and I would not be shocked if pre installed with GTA6 Playstations and patched up at that, don't start hitting shelves next year to capitalize on it.

 

[p1138]

If I was being praised the same way I "praise" Kojima, I would expect a punch rather than a kiss. You have a hard time comprehending that I can think little of Kojima and still think Sony was stupid for letting it get to this.

Just because Sony has made other stupid decisions, doesn't mean this one is also stupid. Frankly I also thought Sony giving this up was a terrible idea right up until I saw the reveal posters, and that's not including what Kojima might have actually been showing Sony behind the scenes and under NDA. I'm sure Sony would have indeed wanted the next big successor to MGS that whatever this is, is supposed to be. But instead we the public got presented with soy.

And that's before getting into negotiations about ownership of the IP and overall control of the franchise, which again we'll likely never know much about since that would have been internal discussion that'll probably never see the light of day for a decade.

Wasting Sony's money is based, Kojima is a gigachad

This sentiment I can get behind, since Sony is retarded. But even if DS2 made its money back(and it likely didn't) hitting a break even point is still not a success.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Jesus Christ the cult of Kojimas influence on weaboos is insane.

Hey now I am an anime, but Kojima is a hack and the only metal gear that said anything deep was Revengence

 

[Incecticyder]

Just because Sony has made other stupid decisions, doesn't mean this one is also stupid.

As I said before, firing him makes sense in a vacuum. He is late, expensive and an asshole. However, when most of your devs fit that bill, pointing the finger at only one feels unfair.

Frankly I also thought Sony giving this up was a terrible idea right up until I saw the reveal posters, and that's not including what Kojima might have actually been showing Sony behind the scenes and under NDA. I'm sure Sony would have indeed wanted the next big successor to MGS that whatever this is, is supposed to be. But instead we the public got presented with soy.

The poster looks gay. Which is even more baffling that Sony canceled it. Don't they fill their games with pride flags? Soy is the name of the game when it comes to Sony. God of War became soy, Marathon became soy, Wolverine became soy. A bit hypocritical to judge him for that.

And that's before getting into negotiations about ownership of the IP and overall control of the franchise, which again we'll likely never know much about since that would have been internal discussion that'll probably never see the light of day for a decade.

Yes, but without this, what do the PS5 owners have to look forward to?

Hey now I am an anime, but Kojima is a hack and the only metal gear that said anything deep was Revengence

Revengeance was the best game of its generation.

 

[p1138]

As I said before, firing him makes sense in a vacuum. He is late, expensive and an asshole. However, when most of your devs fit that bill, pointing the finger at only one feels unfair.

Who said they were only pointing the finger at one? Concord, obviously a much bigger flop got the studio shut down. Guerilla Games only gets the attention it does from Sony because Hermen Hulst has been in charge in playstation for so fucking long and it's purely nepotism. Insomniac hasn't had a massive failure yet, even with the launch of the wolverine game turning out to be shit(it's been a week). Haven's fairgame$ shit is in a state of limbo. Santa Monica again hasn't had a massive failure yet because the new hag of war game isn't out. Naughty Dog has apparently been making them money, and again their upcoming shit show Intergalactic still isn't out. Suckerpunch even with Ghost of Yotei didn't really have a failure as that still sold over 3 million copies within a month or two. Bluepoint was shut down. Dark Outlaw Games got shutdown before even getting anything out the door. London Studio got shut down after producing nothing for 5-6 years with a legacy of making shovelware.

Yes, Sony fucking sucks. Playstation Studios also fucking sucks. But you're confusing a lack of releases with failures that haven't actually happened yet, since dev cycles have gotten so long, while forgetting the failures and fuck ups that haven't simply resulted in canceled deals, but studios getting shut down over it.

edit: Bluepoint's project was the stupid god of war live service game. Naughty Dog got it's TLoU live serice game cancelled. Insomniac's spinderman live service game got cancelled years ago and wound up getting merged into spiderman 2. Firesprite hasn't been shut down but had it's twisted metal live service game cancelled. Dark Outlaw Games was apparently also Deviation Games and had its live service game cancelled and the studio shut down. Bend studio was reportedly working on a cancelled live service game as well.

So no, Kojima has not been singled out by Sony executives who have been cancelling shit left and right for the past 4 years.

edit: Fuck, I forgot the absolute annihilation going on at Bungie with the failure of Marathon, and fucking up Destiny 2. They've been doing so many layoffs, that they're now putting up their HQ(which is 2.5 times the square footage of a fucking costco) up for lease when they only completed the renovations and expansion what, 3-4 years ago? And Kojima is somehow being singled out? Come the fuck on dude.

 

[Problematic User Forever]

As I said before, firing him makes sense in a vacuum. He is late, expensive and an asshole. However, when most of your devs fit that bill, pointing the finger at only one feels unfair.

BUT THEY AREN'T!

What are you not getting about this? They've fired multiple people and closed down/gutted multiple studios

 

[p1138]

BUT THEY AREN'T!

What are you not getting about this? They've fired multiple people and closed down/gutted multiple studios

This is the problem with these people. They refuse to actually look at the big picture. "But DS2 sold 2.5 million copies, it didn't do badly" get angry at simple fucking math and change the complaint. "They're singling out Kojima!" which is clearly not the case.

If anything, Kojima refusing to hand over control or ownership to Sony is what allowed him to not get fucked up Playstation execs cancelling his shit, keeping the IP, and not allowing him to re-negotiate with another publisher. This means Kojima's gotten the least fucked out of all of the other studios under or working with Playstation over recent years.

 

[Incecticyder]

Who said they were only pointing the finger at one? Concord, obviously a much bigger flop got the studio shut down. Guerilla Games only gets the attention it does from Sony because Hermen Hulst has been in charge in playstation for so fucking long and it's purely nepotism. Insomniac hasn't had a massive failure yet, even with the launch of the wolverine game turning out to be shit(it's been a week). Haven's fairgame$ shit is in a state of limbo. Santa Monica again hasn't had a massive failure yet because the new hag of war game isn't out. Naughty Dog has apparently been making them money, and again their upcoming shit show Intergalactic still isn't out. Suckerpunch even with Ghost of Yotei didn't really have a failure as that still sold over 3 million copies within a month or two. Bluepoint was shut down. Dark Outlaw Games got shutdown before even getting anything out the door. London Studio got shut down after producing nothing for 5-6 years with a legacy of making shovelware.

Yes, Sony fucking sucks. Playstation Studios also fucking sucks. But you're confusing a lack of releases with failures that haven't actually happened yet, since dev cycles have gotten so long, while forgetting the failures and fuck ups that haven't simply resulted in canceled deals, but studios getting shut down over it.

edit: Bluepoint's project was the stupid god of war live service game. Naughty Dog got it's TLoU live serice game cancelled. Insomnia'cs spinderman live service game got cancelled years ago and wound up getting merged into spiderman 2. Firesprite hasn't been shut down but had it's twisted metal live service game cancelled. Dark Outlaw Games was apparently also Deviation Games and had its live service game cancelled and the studio shut down. Bend studio was reportedly working on a cancelled live service game as well.

So no, Kojima has not been singled out by Sony executives who have been cancelling shit left and right for the past 4 years.

BUT THEY AREN'T!

What are you not getting about this? They've fired multiple people and closed down/gutted multiple studios

You are forgetting that firing people means nothing if those who remain are just as bad. Where are the good devs replacing the bad devs? Where is Sony telling people to knock it off with the woke crap that alienates people? Why is SBI still with Sony after all the flops? For every game that succeeded with SBI, 2 failed.

Firing is only half the battle. Hiring good devs is the other half. The remaining studios should have been forced to course-correct. "Concord failed? Let's try the same thing with Horizon!" "Spiderman 2 faced backlash for wokeness and shallow representation? Let's double down with Wolverine!"

They can fire all the bad devs but unless they change course, this will change nothing. They shouldn't just punish the devs who fail to meet sales' expectations, they tell them that the old way of doing things has to stop. This is like a parent who punishes a child for misbehaving while refusing to teach them how and why to behave well.

"Stupid, woke stuff hurt sales and anyone who doesn't sell well gets fired! Still, keep doing woke stuff even though it ensures bad sales because we are activists!"

This is the problem with these people. They refuse to actually look at the big picture. "But DS2 sold 2.5 million copies, it didn't do badly" get angry at simple fucking math and change the complaint. "They're singling out Kojima!" which is clearly not the case.

I still said it did badly. See?:

DS2 was barely a failure. Failed but not too badly.

Just not as badly as Concord or Marathon. If you complain about my math, I will complain about your reading skills.

If anything, Kojima refusing to hand over control or ownership to Sony is what allowed him to not get fucked up Playstation execs cancelling his shit, keeping the IP, and not allowing him to re-negotiate with another publisher. This means Kojima's gotten the least fucked out of all of the other studios under or working with Playstation over recent years.

Doesn't change the fact that Sony has ruined their relationship with one of their better cheerleaders.

 

[p1138]

You are forgetting that firing people means nothing if those who remain are just as bad.

How is shutting down at least 4 studios in 4 years only firing people and leaving people remaining?

They can fire all the bad devs but unless they change course, this will change nothing. They shouldn't just punish the devs who fail to meet sales' expectations, they tell them that the old way of doing things has to stop. This is like a parent who punishes a child for misbehaving while refusing to teach them how and why to behave well.

You mean like the cancelled projects and shutdown studios that didn't even get something out the door to fail to meet sales expectations?

Doesn't change the fact that Sony has ruined their relationship with one of their better cheerleaders.

Kojima was already working with Microsoft on his other project anyway. I don't think Kojima gives a flying fuck about Sony, especially with the management they've had for the past 15 years.

 

[Incecticyder]

How is shutting down at least 4 studios in 4 years only firing people and leaving people remaining?

Well, if your company's workforce is composed of 100% incompetent employees and you fire half of them, what percentage of the remaining employees is incompetent?

They did nothing to change the culture that created the problem. Their remaining employees are still a bunch of woke losers.

You mean like the cancelled projects and shutdown studios that didn't even get something out the door to fail to meet sales expectations?

That was the punishment given to them for failure. The things that caused the failure are still there and Sony maintains them. This is an infection in need of a cure. You can treat the symptoms but they need to cure the illness as well. This isn't treatment.

Kojima was already working with Microsoft on his other project anyway. I don't think Kojima gives a flying fuck about Sony, especially with the management they've had for the past 15 years.

He did sour on them but he used to be a fan. He is a massive Westaboo and film lover so working with Sony must have been a dream as they are one of the big wigs in film.

 

[MirrorNoir]

You are forgetting that MS actually owns Bethesda. After the buyout, Bethesda had no say to begin with. Kojima's studio was just very friendly with Sony as opposed to outright own by them. Also, you realize you can believe that both Sony and Kojima suck, right?


Shh, that is like telling a kid there is no Santa. Really, DS2 did badly. However, Sony gave little to no oversight on much worse things so they can't throw rocks. They knew that SBI is poison and yet they kept them on. The Wolverine failure was forecasted for a while and nothing was done.


To conclude, in my opinion, Sony is like a structure whose pillars are almost all rotten and cracked. Some are in good condition and some are in a less bad condition. But, overall, they have to be demolished one by one and a new one should be put in each of their places. Before the removal of the Kojima pillar, they should have made sure that there was adequate support so that the structure doesn't collapse while it is missing the pillar and a new one should be brought to replace it. The problem is that Sony didn't add the support for the vacuum left by Kojima, nor did it think about bringing his replacement.

They have GTA6. That will be their support column. Not Kojima's fifth rejected HBO tv show pitch

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Kojima is just Japanese Todd Howard to me. For all his faults I still find him pretty likable.

 

[Incecticyder]

They have GTA6. That will be their support column. Not Kojima's fifth rejected HBO tv show pitch

Which will be digital only and woke as shit. Don't get me wrong, it will sell well, just not to what it could have been. They will have to share those sales with MS too (for all that is worth which isn't much). We will see. It is its own can of worms.

 

[p1138]

Well, if your company's workforce is composed of 100% incompetent employees and you fire half of them, what percentage of the remaining employees is incompetent?

They did nothing to change the culture that created the problem. Their remaining employees are still a bunch of woke losers.

So what's your point now? No one is saying sony is great except for dropping out of working with Kojima.

He did sour on them but he used to be a fan. He is a massive Westaboo and film lover so working with Sony must have been a dream as they are one of the big wigs in film.

So? He knows full well none of the leadership is there from 20 years ago.

Again, he's not going to fuck you. and what little he's shown us about this physint thing still looks like shit regardless since no one wants Metal Gear Soy: Cockeater.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Don't get me wrong, it will sell well, just not to what it could have been.

I mean at a certain point I don't think it even matters.

They could replace GTA6 with a mp4 file of some dude shitting on a banana and it'd still make 5 bajillion dollars.

Sure if it was a better product it could've made 6 bajillion, but it's not like the investors care.

 

[The Ugly One]

2.5 million doesn't seem that bad.

2.5m = $175m revenue. Cost was supposedly around $300m. It's also down like 50%-80% from DS1 (it was given away multiple times, so who knows how many real sales it had).

You are forgetting that firing people means nothing if those who remain are just as bad.

No, actually, changing leadership is really important. Look at how many companies start shitting the bed when a bad CEO takes over. You can change leadership when you own the company. That's one of the perks of owning it.

With a contractor, you can't fire anybody. You can only tell the contractor to piss off.