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FrogMinutes said:
but how much of that can you know for sure isn't faked?

Nier automata did something similar to what you described, the idea was people were given the choice to sacrifice their save in order to help someone random to get the true ending.
it is a great experience narratively when you take the concept on face value, but if you actually look into how the mechanic actually works, there's fake names that work offline and people will always have the chance to THINK they're going through something personalized, when it really isn't.

Don't get me wrong, the idea of someone's stuff they build helping you in your run is a cool concept,
but Death stranding isn't really focused on that idea enough to actually physically engage with other players in real time.
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It isn't faked, you can even "call out" to other players in the area.
 
GeorgeFloydFentanylStash said:
I think it’ll sell. There’s plenty of normies who see a Wolverine game and it’s an instant buy.
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But will it sell enough? Even normies know to check reviews now. And I doubt that news of this game's "quality" hasn't reached mainstream. People get their news from the internet now. Some will buy it but between the cost to make and the Disney royalties, will it be enough? Doubt it.
 
The Doom Slayer said:
Sony just terminated their partnership with Kojima on his next game.

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...and Xbox has picked it up.

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I am calling it, the game is going to turn out dogshit and sony will turn out to have had good dangersense.

I know they're loathsome corporate niggers, but they had a good instinct with edgelord titles and taking them under their wing. This is too far out of left field and kojima always had a slight cow flair around him and his weird, over budgeted, autism fueled tours de force which sony often indulged might go out of control with xbawks thinking they headhunted "tha legend" and likely treating him like the golden calf to rescue their platform.
 
Dzugashvili said:
I am calling it, the game is going to turn out dogshit and sony will turn out to have had good dangersense.

I know they're loathsome corporate niggers, but they had a good instinct with edgelord titles and taking them under their wing. This is too far out of left field and kojima always had a slight cow flair around him and his weird, over budgeted, autism fueled tours de force which sony often indulged might go out of control with xbawks thinking they headhunted "tha legend" and likely treating him like the golden calf to rescue their platform.
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lol whatever the case may be, it isn't because Sony is smart, they bought fuckin Bungie for billions of dollars and have nothing to show for it.

Kojima has a better track record than them, in the very least.
 
Dzugashvili said:
I am calling it, the game is going to turn out dogshit and sony will turn out to have had good dangersense.

I know they're loathsome corporate niggers, but they had a good instinct with edgelord titles and taking them under their wing. This is too far out of left field and kojima always had a slight cow flair around him and his weird, over budgeted, autism fueled tours de force which sony often indulged might go out of control with xbawks thinking they headhunted "tha legend" and likely treating him like the golden calf to rescue their platform.
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Then why stick with Concord? With Ghost of Yotei? With Spiderman 2? With Fairgame$? With Horizon? With Wolverine? With TLOU 2? With every other slop? No mate, they run out of money and were unwilling to cut in-house fat. There are issues with Kojima but he was the lesser burden. He might be weird, expensive and autistic but so is the rest of Sony and they don't have the MGS catalogue to justify their arrogance. Doesn't matter how many years have passed since his last good game, at least everyone can agree he had at least one good game under his belt. Every other Sony dev has even worse track record. Who is the Sony studio head with the next best track record after Kojima? Neil Druckmann? What a consolation prize... You could make the argument for the Astrobot guys though.

Need I remind you that they didn't rein in "The Professor" even after she spend all the budget with nothing to show for it? Face it, their instinct sucks. This isn't "cleaning house", this is "removing the table so that you no longer have to clean it anymore". I can justify firing the weird auteur. I cannot justify keeping the weird retards instead.
 
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Incecticyder said:
Then why stick with Concord? With Ghost of Yotei? With Spiderman 2? With Fairgame$? With Horizon? With Wolverine? With TLOU 2? With every other slop? No mate, they run out of money and were unwilling to cut in-house fat.
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I think you've misread my point, because that's my argument, there must be something actually going wrong behind doors, while the house holds all the cards and I can't look into a crystal ball, this seems so unusual and makes no sense, since kojima delivered their edgelord exclusives until now, with cracks showing at the seams like with death stranding and his misused of funds for his hollywood star autism and the game already being quite... "avantgarde" as a tongue in cheek domino's pizza delivery sim. Why drop exactly the one guy with a "good" track record? My money is on it being abysmal dogshit and his "vision" having become utterly retarded. If sony was just under retarded leadership, they would assume the "speadsheet" logic and keep kojima, because the track record checks out - esp. if you don't know anything and put money on woke titles, the surface logic would be "keep the profitable dev around".
If konjima just really pushed the enveolope in funding with threatening to go to the other team until they actually pulled the plug, that also means he's probably demonading to much right away, it's not like these devs are doing actual science, there's absolutely a "sensible" ceiling for just bingingwahoo with hollywood faces and his indulgent "arteur" behavior and he alreaedy missed - allegedly - any and all internal deadlines.
 
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Dzugashvili said:
I think you've misread my point, because that's my argument, there must be something actually going wrong behind doors, while the house holds all the cards and I can't look into a crystal ball, this seems so unusual and makes no sense, since kojima delivered their edgelord exclusives until now, with cracks showing at the seams like with death stranding and his misused of funds for his hollywood star autism and the game already being quite... "avantgarde" as a tongue in cheek domino's pizza delivery sim. Why drop exactly the one guy with a "good" track record? My money is on it being abysmal dogshit and his "vision" having become utterly retarded. If sony was just under retarded leadership, they would assume the "speadsheet" logic and keep kojima, because the track record checks out - esp. if you don't know anything and put money on woke titles, the surface logic would be "keep the profitable dev around".
If konjima just really pushed the enveolope in funding with threatening to go to the other team until they actually pulled the plug, that also means he's probably demonading to much right away, it's not like these devs are doing actual science, there's absolutely a "sensible" ceiling for just bingingwahoo with hollywood faces and his indulgent "arteur" behavior and he alreaedy missed - allegedly - any and all internal deadlines.
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I see what you mean. You think that Kojima's latest project was just THAT retarded and needed canceling. Still doesn't make sense. We have to trust that SONY suddenly grew a brain and can tell a good project from a bad one. I don't buy that. Sony are retards who greenlight shit like Concord, Marathon and Fairgame$. I struggle to imagine anyone who thinks these games are good enough to become successful knows anything about what games are and aren't retarded. Where was that ''sensible" ceiling when Concord got to double its budget? Where was it when the Marathon guys filled the game with ugly robots and stolen assets? Where was it when Intergalactic was given a bald dyke as a protagonist? Where was it when Horizon: Hunters Gathering was given fat cripple as a playable character? Where was it when two Insomniac games in a row had a bunch of uggos as characters?

Was that "sensible" ceiling asleep at the wheel when all that was happening and just so happened to wake up to target Kojima alone? Don't give me that. Kojima wasn't fired for being retarded or bad with money. He was fired because they needed to make cuts and were unwilling to fire the guys making Hulst's waifu shit and Druckmann's retarded shit. Don't tell me you think that Druckmann is less retarded than Kojima. Druckmann is just as bad with money and obsessed with Hollywood as Kojima is. He is just less talented than him. He is the worse Kojima.
 
Incecticyder said:
We have to trust that SONY suddenly grew a brain and can tell a good project from a bad one. I don't buy that.
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Good point, I just think even brainless, they would've kept Kojima around.
Incecticyder said:
Sony are retards who greenlight shit like Concord, Marathon and Fairgame$.
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Well, they did that because they wanted to get into the "emerging market" of woke-shit. FOMO.
Incecticyder said:
I struggle to imagine anyone who thinks these games are good enough to become successful knows anything about what games are and aren't retarded.
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That's also kind of my baseline assumption: They don't know and just watch number go up and panic when it doesn't
Incecticyder said:
Where was that ''sensible" ceiling when Concord got to double its budget?
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That's why they pulled the plug this time more readily than before, too. I think their mismanagement and my assumed audacity on Kojima's part compounded, potentially leaving xbaws holding the turd bag with this while many people think Kojima is some genius Arteur who was just bounded by pennypinchers - that's also a tale as old as time, most good shit was the result of keeping guys like that in check, without pressure their "art" more often than not turns into sprawling, incoherent messes.

Incecticyder said:
Was that "sensible" ceiling asleep at the wheel when all that was happening and just so happened to wake up to target Kojima alone? Don't give me that.
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I have to admit, I might have missed the alleged costs with Kojima's latest project, but it would've been enough to match those mentioned turds in financial expense with trying to pull a "drop, me and I will go to M$!"
Incecticyder said:
He was fired because they needed to make cuts and were unwilling to fire the guys making Hulst's waifu shit and Druckmann's retarded shit.
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I mean, I see how what I wrote still doesn't invalidate this statement :lol:
 
Dzugashvili said:
Well, they did that because they wanted to get into the "emerging market" of woke-shit. FOMO.
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WHAT MARKET?! They did it for DEI bucks! They didn't check to see if there really is a market for woke shit before they put their signature. What was the most successful woke game before? Overwatch. Count the ugly women in that. Even the old folks and the robots from that game have a substantial presence on Rule 34. That is called good design. All the woke games Sony made have a bunch of uggos in them on top of bad gameplay.

Dzugashvili said:
That's also kind of my baseline assumption: They don't know and just watch number go up and panic when it doesn't
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Even then firing Kojima but keeping the rest makes no sense. Kojima had a high floor when it comes to his projects due to his cult who buy anything he makes. Any money guy will tell you that a high floor is a good thing. Everything else they kept has a low floor. Just look at TLOU 2 and how it spend the last good will ND had. They know that Intergalactic will struggle to make money but they kept Druckmann as project lead.

Dzugashvili said:
That's why they pulled the plug this time more readily than before, too. I think their mismanagement and my assumed audacity on Kojima's part compounded, potentially leaving xbaws holding the turd bag with this while many people think Kojima is some genius Arteur who was just bounded by pennypinchers - that's also a tale as old as time, most good shit was the result of keeping guys like that in check, without pressure their "art" more often than not turns into sprawling, incoherent messes.
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But that is the thing: They STILL refuse to keep those guys in check! When is Sony going to tell Druckmann to fix his protagonist's appearence? Or his game's story? Why didn't they fix the Wolverine characters? At least Kojima has earned part of his arrogance. The rest of Sony hasn't and yet THEY kept their jobs.

Dzugashvili said:
I have to admit, I might have missed the alleged costs with Kojima's latest project, but it would've been enough to match those mentioned turds in financial expense with trying to pull a "drop, me and I will go to M$!"
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Maybe he did but it is a spiritual successor to MGS. That name carries power in this industry. Its chances to be successful and good were significantly higher than anything else Sony drowned in money.
 
Kirklandwarrior said:
Why are the Japanese allowing the soys to destroy PlayStation?
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From what I've heard Sony Japan is doing fine and the Japanese boomers in charge don't really care that the Western branches are destroying themselves.

They'll care if the Western branches attempt to cannibalize the Japanese branch in order to save themselves but that hasn't happened yet so they don't.
 
Incecticyder said:
WHAT MARKET?! They did it for DEI bucks! They didn't check to see if there really is a market for woke shit before they put their signature. What was the most successful woke game before? Overwatch. Count the ugly women in that. Even the old folks and the robots from that game have a substantial presence on Rule 34. That is called good design. All the woke games Sony made have a bunch of uggos in them on top of bad gameplay.
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Yeah, that's why I put "emerging market" in air-quotes. It's not like any DEI bucks covered the expenses, but I see how a manager would think that if something gets systemically astroturfed, you might miss out if you don't lean into it hard for it may take root.
Incecticyder said:
But that is the thing: They STILL refuse to keep those guys in check! When is Sony going to tell Druckmann to fix his protagonist's appearence? Or his game's story? Why didn't they fix the Wolverine characters?
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I mean, he's just a sony employee and if he does what management demanded to try for DEI signaling, he secured his paycheck. I think you overexpanded what I mean when I talk about arteurs running wild, it's not about a corporate hack doing DIE checkboxes, but it's about people like Kojima being notoriously unmanageable and their art suffering in a vaccum without a firm hand, not somebody like Duckman (heh) already being a good boy who knows how to keep management happy. I just think that this time we won't see some masterpiece, this is just going to be Lynch Dune, for the mentioned tell tale signs about arteurs running afoul of their feeding hands and xbox being desperate for killer apps.

I recant for implying sony is smart earlier.
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Dzugashvili said:
Yeah, that's why I put "emerging market" in air-quotes. It's not like any DEI bucks covered the expenses, but I see how a manager would think that if something gets systemically astroturfed, you might miss out if you don't lean into it hard for it may take root.
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Yeah, I get that. But they should have done some preparedness. Charging into a new market without knowing anything about it is what Microsoft did with the original X-Box and we know how that went. That is what I mean. They went in BEFORE there was any proof that the market existed. They have no business sense and thus I don't trust them in their decision.

Dzugashvili said:
I mean, he's just a sony employee and if he does what management demanded to try for DEI signaling, he secured his paycheck.
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All the more reason to doubt their decisions if they want Druckmann and like what he is doing.

Dzugashvili said:
I think you overexpanded what I mean when I talk about arteurs running wild, it's not about a corporate hack doing DIE checkboxes,
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Druckmann is a woke, brownnosing auteur. He is a yes-man to his superiors and a dictator to his subordinates.

Dzugashvili said:
but it's about people like Kojima being notoriously unmanageable and their art suffering in a vaccum without a firm hand, not somebody like Duckman (heh) already being a good boy who knows how to keep management happy.
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What matters is the result. Problem is that Druckmann rose through the ranks in ND, ousted everyone who did good work and took credit for their achievements. He took credit for both TLOU and Uncharted which is why they trusted him until TLOU 2 and Intergalactic. However, they should know better now. The curtain has been pulled. Yes, Kojima needs a tard wrangler but so does everyone at Sony.

Dzugashvili said:
I just think that this time we won't see some masterpiece, this is just going to be Lynch Dune, for the mentioned tell tale signs about arteurs running afoul of their feeding hands and xbox being desperate for killer apps.
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Perhaps we won't but why let ourselves take Sony to its word. Also, they are about as desperate for killer apps as MS is so why get rid of the one person with the highest chances of producing one (that they had under their payroll anyway)? Kojima isn't perfect but beggars can't be choosers.
 
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