Sonic The Hedgehog Games

[Friendly Primarina]

You know, if they used the whole "psychic/tarot" aspect, Amy could have been a better character than what she currently is. Like Rose from the Street Fighter series... uses magic and shit for battles and guides the good guys along the way and warns the bad guys of their impending doom.

Instead we have a psychopath with a big fuck-off hammer.

Eh, I kinda miss Stalker Amy now that she's gone. Otherwise, yeah. If they'd kept Amy's ability to turn invisible it might have opened up some interesting gameplay possibilities.

 

[Retarded Weeb]

I haven't played a new Sonic game in years, so can somebody explain to me what this weird tarot card shit with Amy is all about?

It's basically Ian Flynn digging up a little used hobby Amy had -for a long time only showed up in the CD manual and Chronicles - for nerd cred and getting Sonic Team to overuse it to the point of getting kind of stupid.

Note in '06 she keeps talking about "women's intuition" in Dusty Desert. I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet in the Japanese version she talks about psychic abilities, if not the cards themselves.

Nah, she just talks about her woman's intuition in Japanese too. Though she does use the word "otome" (乙女) which means something like "young virgin maiden" and was a word used a lot with her in games in that time period, like most of her skills in the Japanese version of Sonic Battle were "Maiden [blank]" (the English version just says Girl), or I remember some lines said in places about her having the heart of a maiden in love which is her source of power.

 

[Cave Fisher]

Instead we have a psychopath with a big fuck-off hammer.

I don't know, psycho creep Amy was ten times more fun than anything they've done with her character since.

 

[Newcomer 42]

I don't know, psycho creep Amy was ten times more fun than anything they've done with her character since.

Sadly, we can't have that anymore, not even in a remake of Sonic generations, seeing how that scene where Sonic keeps her away from jumping him was replaced by Sonic rejecting her cake, kek. Only in the Western version, of course, Japanese one is still the same. Oh, and apparently they didn't comb through the script hard enough, as some of Amy's random lines are the same of her psycho self.
Then again, I remember asking Sonic fans about it and they consider this an "evolution" of the character, so they can't complain. Reminds me of how Metal Sonic went from a generic but dangerous villain with a personality, to a mute drone.
Unrelated: In the latest Sonic x DC crossover comic, the Zeti are shown AGAIN, because the writer clearly needed multiple villains from Sonic side and there aren't many... And yet, they are oneshotted immediately. Batman also manages to casually take down Metal Sonic by driving to him with his bike and kicking him after trapping him with his grapple gun, which made it look too easy IMO.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I remember asking Sonic fans about it and they consider this an "evolution" of the character

It's crazy how many people defend this "evolution". It's one thing to think it's better for her to be a stronk independent hedgehog, but a lot of retards even defend the retroactive censorship, so it's not even an evolution or character development, just a retcon. Even if someone thinks it's better it's still dumb to erase the character's past.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Sadly, we can't have that anymore, not even in a remake of Sonic generations, seeing how that scene where Sonic keeps her away from jumping him was replaced by Sonic rejecting her cake, kek. Only in the Western version, of course, Japanese one is still the same. Oh, and apparently they didn't comb through the script hard enough, as some of Amy's random lines are the same of her psycho self.
Then again, I remember asking Sonic fans about it and they consider this an "evolution" of the character, so they can't complain. Reminds me of how Metal Sonic went from a generic but dangerous villain with a personality, to a mute drone.
Unrelated: In the latest Sonic x DC crossover comic, the Zeti are shown AGAIN, because the writer clearly needed multiple villains from Sonic side and there aren't many... And yet, they are oneshotted immediately. Batman also manages to casually take down Metal Sonic by driving to him with his bike and kicking him after trapping him with his grapple gun, which made it look too easy IMO.

The translators of Sonic media used to accidentally pitch great ideas: Neo Metal Sonic had such a great gimmick of being someone who turned himself into a monster to destroy Sonic, who he now feared, with him implied to maybe even hate Eggman too. Then they've just made him a drone

 

[Cave Fisher]

Sadly, we can't have that anymore, not even in a remake of Sonic generations, seeing how that scene where Sonic keeps her away from jumping him was replaced by Sonic rejecting her cake, kek. Only in the Western version, of course, Japanese one is still the same. Oh, and apparently they didn't comb through the script hard enough, as some of Amy's random lines are the same of her psycho self.
Then again, I remember asking Sonic fans about it and they consider this an "evolution" of the character, so they can't complain. Reminds me of how Metal Sonic went from a generic but dangerous villain with a personality, to a mute drone.

It's weird that people call it a development because I SWEAR nobody in the games has got development for years, if anything, they've all been going backwards, not forwards.
I liked Psycho Amy because she was entertaining and that's not really an archetype you see these days with girl characters, especially with it having been made clear she was still pretty kind outside of that. No wonder they had to reintroduce the tarot cards since without her temper or obsession, she's just "Nice girl who's strong".

Unrelated: In the latest Sonic x DC crossover comic, the Zeti are shown AGAIN, because the writer clearly needed multiple villains from Sonic side and there aren't many... And yet, they are oneshotted immediately. Batman also manages to casually take down Metal Sonic by driving to him with his bike and kicking him after trapping him with his grapple gun, which made it look too easy IMO.

Speaking of Metal Sonic, he's probably the biggest victim of the lack of villain diversity. Pretty much everything traces back to Eggman, but he doesn't have anybody else working for him that can fight worth a damn, with his currently most competent underling being a holographic child, so Metal ALWAYS has to be his entirely loyal, emotionless drone that can't even speak that's just there to show how cool the person fighting him is meant to be, which apparently now results in him getting his shit kicked in by a bike in the same comic where he should be on par with a Sonic who humiliated Reverse Flash with just ONE Chaos Emerald.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Speaking of Metal Sonic, he's probably the biggest victim of the lack of villain diversity. Pretty much everything traces back to Eggman, but he doesn't have anybody else working for him that can fight worth a damn, with his currently most competent underling being a holographic child, so Metal ALWAYS has to be his entirely loyal, emotionless drone that can't even speak that's just there to show how cool the person fighting him is meant to be,

Will reiterate, they should have kept Infinite around. He is one of the very few Eggman creations that doesn’t betray him at any point, while having a gimmick that would actually make him worth a damn in a fight. He doesn’t even die in Forces, just flies off with SEGA confirming his death after the fact.

The character had potential, just needed a good game to realize it. Would have been exactly what you said, a guy who can act as a competent accomplices to Eggman, so we don’t need to keep using Metal.

 

[Pixy]

The character had potential, just needed a good game to realize it. Would have been exactly what you said, a guy who can act as a competent accomplices to Eggman, so we don’t need to keep using Metal.

He can still fight.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Metal is just a punching bag at this point. I remember a time where he was suppose to be Sonic equal in both power and speed but that no longer seems the case.

I feel sorry for the guy.

 

[Newcomer 42]

It's weird that people call it a development because I SWEAR nobody in the games has got development for years, if anything, they've all been going backwards, not forwards.
I liked Psycho Amy because she was entertaining and that's not really an archetype you see these days with girl characters, especially with it having been made clear she was still pretty kind outside of that. No wonder they had to reintroduce the tarot cards since without her temper or obsession, she's just "Nice girl who's strong".

I believe Sonic fans are also "PROGRESSIVE!" (TM), so these morons believing that a bland, safe and boring girl from what used to be an hilarious yandere is an evolution, because anything that makes a woman look bad is haram!

Speaking of Metal Sonic, he's probably the biggest victim of the lack of villain diversity.

When Bowser has more personality than you, it's sad.

Sonic who humiliated Reverse Flash with just ONE Chaos Emerald.

That one was an asspull and fanservice to the max:
Sonic could also keep up with Flash, the guy that can outrun time. At least here it was vaguely justified. Darkseid was also treated fair (as in, he can kick out everyone's ass, even Shadow, and then some when he gets one Emerald).
I also liked that the Sonic cast got the JL's costumes for reasons, and Tails got Cyborg's robotic half that looks goofy on him.

Will reiterate, they should have kept Infinite around. He is one of the very few Eggman creations that doesn’t betray him at any point, while having a gimmick that would actually make him worth a damn in a fight. He doesn’t even die

IMO he should have had more development, such as being a smartass and threatening Robotnik, only for the evil fatty to zap him or something to remind him who's in charge. Infie being completely loyal to Robotnik felt a bit strange... Anyway, he suffered a lame defeat and Eggman took over before the corpse could grow cold, kek. Frontiers doesn't bring recurring villains as well, as The End is an eldritch monster that is killed and forgotten about.

 

[GigantorUnitron]

You guys do realize her being seen as a yandere wasn't seen as a good thing back then right? It wasn't even the adult fans, it was the kids and young teens too, and given how many young kids grew up with the 3D games, there were a lot of them who probably didn't have the patience for something like that in their speedy edgy platformers. How many people back then acutally liked Amy? Sure in retrospect her antics were fun, I had no problems with her growing up, but this new rendition of Amy didn't come out of nowhere.

And if I remember correctly, Sonic X didn't help...or that one scene from heroes..or that line from 06. Amy did not have a good reputation, and could you imagine the memes and hate she'd get if they kept that old personality into modern day?

 

[Newcomer 42]

And if I remember correctly, Sonic X didn't help...or that one scene from heroes..or that line from 06. Amy did not have a good reputation, and could you imagine the memes and hate she'd get if they kept that old personality into modern day?

Is she being a bland and safe and with less personality than Knuckles a better choice? Sonic Boom did it better, as usual. Also, it's funny that Shadow being an one-note edgelord is given a pass.

 

[The Lawgiver]

I hate that fucking reddit tone that Knuckles uses here. Fuck the soy writer who put that in.

That's the joke partly. There's a few layers going on here with this one gag. It's also a one off statement rather than a fulls cene like the simpsons one is so it's not fully comparable but I find them both funny. Simpsons also had it's own kinda rot when they stopped showing lisa's shit as not always right.

You know, if they used the whole "psychic/tarot" aspect, Amy could have been a better character than what she currently is. Like Rose from the Street Fighter series... uses magic and shit for battles and guides the good guys along the way and warns the bad guys of their impending doom.

Instead we have a psychopath with a big fuck-off hammer.

Nah, ian flynn rewrite amy is boring! The tarot card thing was meant as like a side hobby thing not the only character she has. Do you really want a character who's entire thing is rushing into danger to become a backseat "guide?" You want amy to be fucking OMOCHAO POST GENERATIONS?

Pre-ian flynn amy was either Someone for sonic to banter with, or a comedic relief intentionally annoying character. post-flynn amy is just either like exposition machine or something tarot cards which is somehow more annoying to me than the intentionally annoying character people made all those memes and parodies about back in the 2000s. A bunch of people already responded though I see so my as isn't gonna ramble further lmao.

He can still fight.

Infinite died on the way back to his home planet.

Man seriously "died offscreen" after getting teleported back to the base, shit they don't even act like he died int he actual game that's literally just "confirmed in external material" so they don't have to bring back the guy. I think I already rambled about this too FUCK HELL SHIT WE'RE IN HELL.

 

[GigantorUnitron]

Is she being a bland and safe and with less personality than Knuckles a better choice? Sonic Boom did it better, as usual. Also, it's funny that Shadow being an one-note edgelord is given a pass.

I mean it has to be by the larger fanbase, and not just the progressives, if there isnt an outcry of fans wanting her old personality back.

And shadow's been seen as a one note edgelord for years and people bitch about that more than they do amy's character. Shadow had a lot of cool moments to look back on. Amy honestly doesnt, and in my opinion if the animation for the games were as good as they were now, old amy would have had a lot more fans because her cartoonish antics would get the animation needed to make it funny, like in sonic riders. shes important enough that people consider the safe option to be an improvement, but not important enough that any fan outcry about her current incarnation would reach anyones ears.

 

[Buzz Killington]

Metal is just a punching bag at this point. I remember a time where he was suppose to be Sonic equal in both power and speed but that no longer seems the case.

I feel sorry for the guy.

Metal Sonic is my favorite character and yet also the franchise's #1 jobber (aside from Infinite, but at least he's only in one game). Being a fan of his is suffering. Can't wait for Movie 4 to push him aside for some other villain.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

The tarot card thing was meant as like a side hobby thing not the only character she has. Do you really want a character who's entire thing is rushing into danger to become a backseat "guide?" You want amy to be fucking OMOCHAO POST GENERATIONS?

Did you skip over the part where I said she could fight with magic powers?

Omochow is just a glorified tutorial, obviously Amy would have more input than telling Sonic "to jump, press A". Example scenario would be if their mid-game or near the end, she could use her tarots to guide Sonic like "hey, my cards are sensing more of [insert enemy or obstacle here], maybe look more before you leap this time"

 

[Retarded Weeb]

Y'know, I think people would have been more understanding of Amy's shtick if hypothetically the characters were humans who looked their canonically listed ages. Amy's fangirling would look less stalker-ish and more forgivable immature if you saw she was 12 years old, and Sonic's reaction to her makes more immediate sense why he's not thrilled about a preteen trying to jump his bones.

Though more seriously, I do think maybe the different in Amy's voice between Japanese and English plays into that. Her Japanese voice always sounded really young and cutesy, versus her English voice direction always sounded more like a teenage valley girl kind of thing.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

IMO he should have had more development, such as being a smartass and threatening Robotnik, only for the evil fatty to zap him or something to remind him who's in charge. Infie being completely loyal to Robotnik felt a bit strange...

I thought it was unique to see an Eggman creation that doesn't explode in his face.

Going off the game, not sure Infinite has much of a reason to betray Eggman. Shadow was the one who kicked his ass and created his entire trajectory towards villain. Eggman actually gave Infinite the power he was looking for and their goals are aligned, so not much get mad over. Hell, this is one of the few games where Eggman is actually competent, so clearly going along with him works.

If you are going by comics, it is sort of implied that Infinite was semi-brain washed by the Phantom Ruby. Shadow killing his old squad was a major catalyst towards his mental deterioration and him basically becoming evil-Shadow.

I think this video does a good job explaining it:

TLDR - Zero (Infinite) actually has a decent progression between his comics and game appearances:

1. Tries to rob Eggman with his squad, only to get overwhelmed by the Ruby and seemingly get brainwashed by it while trying to strike Eggman
2. The Jackal squad becomes mercenaries for Eggman, leading to Shadow killing all members besides Zero (Infinite) who is left alive because Shadow sees him as pathetic.
3. Zero, consumed with rage and remembering Shadow calling him weak, purges his old identity to go on a revenge crusade.
4. Seems to be more interested in phycological warfare rather than straight obliteration. Leaves Player character alive in a moment reminiscent of what Shadow did to him. Could kill Sonic and co, but constantly decides to play mind tricks instead, leading to his downfall. Also, likely goes after Sonic and co since Shadow killed his friends, so it is an eye-for-an-eye thing by going after Shadow's companions. Also likely his loyalty to Eggman both for the power and because he has been poisoned by the Ruby to follow him.

He is basically just SA2 Shadow - bad ending. Cool concept, but horrid execution.

 

[The ATF Disliked That]

There's something the South Park writers said somewhere about how they like to avoid "and then this happened" writing, and instead go for "but then this happened".

This is something that I noticed as well and you point out later in your post with some of the game examples. The games almost feel predictable in what is going to happen next, at least from what I have seen. I want to be surprised by what is going to happen next rather than something happening that you already knew was going to happen, or something happens that makes no sense as to why it is happening. I played Frontiers, which you mention as well, and yeah the writing felt very mediocre. I had more fun just running around trying to see how high I can glitch myself into the air with the trick mechanic.