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Might be an case of Sega learning from their mistakes, but it's too early to tell.
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I hope it's like Sonic Advance 1, that was the best of that series.
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How does he know all this? How does he keep getting this right?
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I stand corrected.
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I could potentially see this coming to fruition, although Sonic Team themselves don't really have a working history with a lot of ports and remakes, so if it's real it would be a very out of left field thing (Only Generations I think if you consider that a remake of older stages? Sonic Colours Ultimate was not handled by Sonic Team).
Sega also really seem to not be interested in targeting the demographic that grew up with Sonic during the PS2/GC/Xbox and handhelds during that console era, that late millennial/early zoomer demographic are of working age and have money to spend, tons of older classic fans have gotten their piece of the nostalgia pie ever since Sonic the Hedgehog 4 and many of the classic games got remastered releases more then a decade ago, but it seems really unfortunate that they like to pretend that Sonic's history back then doesn't even exist.
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Tdlr: SA2 is more beloved than a lot of other Sonic games mainly because of Shadow.
Also Rouge was a mistake and Shadow's old designs could have changed how the game is viewed and remembered.
Sonic Adventure 2 is cool but it just feels like everyone makes it out to be a lot better than it is, just find it weird just how beloved in the fandom, to the point that fan projects and other stuff like weird faggy aus are being created for it even after it's been years since the game came out.
It's pretty clunky with the biggest example of its butchered run and gun sections and other things like its jarring cutscenes like when it cuts from Tails and Amy being kidnapped to a Knuckles level out of nowhere.
And the topic of that, the story of the game which is one of if not the most praised things about it are pretty mediocre, to be honest like for example like how the game's tone is all over the place with being light-hearted to then being edgy all of sudden to being cheesy again something that other games like Unleashed have been criticized a lot more for.
Also how the Team Hero story is so much worse than the Team Dark one is something that was also done in Sonic 06, and there are other things I could have brought up like how Biolizard being the final boss comes out of basically nowhere, how Eggman's plan is one of the stupidest he's ever had and how Rouge is only in the game to 1. be a rival to Knuckles, 2. learn about Project Shadow and foreshow Biolizard and 3. for Shadow's character ark.
And following up on the last note for the last part of this post, it really does feel like the game is just so beloved and able to stay relevant escaping out of the sub fandom around the pacific game bubble because of Shadow (along with Maria and Gerald Robotnik by extension) and his storyline.
Like how I hinted at above, there are a lot of Sonic games that have their own little bubbles of sub-cultures in of their own but they never are able to really break out of those bubbles and I feel like the reason why SA2 is different is because of just how more sentimental it could be for someone.
And biggest part of the game being more important people lies in Shadow and how him and his story line are handled.
Shadow is already a very cool character that edge kids will naturally gravitate and cling onto but his backstory dealing with heavy themes like lost, revenge and self-discovery would make that bound to him and by extension the game itself even stronger.
And this was something that wasn’t done on accident, I brought up how Sonic’s story is a lot worse then the dark story and that’s almost certainly how it’s meant to be to the point that the final boss is more much more sentimental to Shadow then it was for Sonic.
And there has to be other people who feel the same way because it’s hard to deny that Sonic Adventure 2 owns so much to it’s success and longevity to Shadow.
Which becomes bizarre when you realize that and think about what would happen if Shadow was different in the game, an idea that is popular because of his two scarped designs.
Side note: just shows that I’m right about Rouge when her old design is so much more simpler then Shadow’s.
The idea of executing ideas well is a small theme in this post with one being able to easily say that the reason why SA2 is able to get away with things that other games don’t is because of how it executes it better then them.
And that makes me wonder just how different not only the game would be but it’s the perception if they went with an earlier version of Shadow may it be Terios (the purple one) or Umbra (the disgusting black one) because it is interesting how Terios explains one of the biggest plot holes in the game, one that has been memed on for years now, being that why is Shadow confused with Sonic?
And it’s also interesting how Umbra is a halfway point between Terios and Shadow (also he might have Inspired the Shadow android plot-line in Shadow the Hedgehog.)
And because of those connections with the final Shadow we got makes me wonder if Shadow never really truly changed at all and they went into the game knowing exactly what they were going to do with him which would line up with his focus in the final game’s plot.
Edit: forget that originally Blaze was going to be Shadow which would probably be the one that’s an actual weird real off-world version of SA2 poetically.
Also Rouge was a mistake and Shadow's old designs could have changed how the game is viewed and remembered.
Sonic Adventure 2 is cool but it just feels like everyone makes it out to be a lot better than it is, just find it weird just how beloved in the fandom, to the point that fan projects and other stuff like weird faggy aus are being created for it even after it's been years since the game came out.
Okay so Shadow is swapped with Rouge and Knuckles is swapped with Amy in it.
So you would logically come to the assumption that Amy and Shadow are a thing in the AU but I guess not because most of the cast are gay because we live in a post-Tumblr time.
And because of that, we come to a point where the creator redraws SA2 screenshots but doesn't replace Knuckles with Amy because they really want to make Shadow gay in the au.
Btw Amy gets nothing in this au for some reason, she doesn't retain her character trait of liking Sonic nor does get Shadow but I guess she's probably a fag herself because literally almost everyone is in the AU.
Anyways to close this post in a post, I've never seen a good Knuckles Amy swap before but that combination is pretty cursed to be fair.
But I have seen a lot better Shadow Rouge swaps before so it's not possible to do the concept.
I also don't know why aus involving Shadow have to be gay, like there's this cool Sonic/Shadow swap au by a dude named Marcus Larry (whos sadly trooned out) and it's also gay for no reason.
I just wish people could focus on the Sonic aspect and not inserting stuff that doesn't belong and that bogs down the concept with its insisted focus on it.
So you would logically come to the assumption that Amy and Shadow are a thing in the AU but I guess not because most of the cast are gay because we live in a post-Tumblr time.
And because of that, we come to a point where the creator redraws SA2 screenshots but doesn't replace Knuckles with Amy because they really want to make Shadow gay in the au.
Btw Amy gets nothing in this au for some reason, she doesn't retain her character trait of liking Sonic nor does get Shadow but I guess she's probably a fag herself because literally almost everyone is in the AU.
Anyways to close this post in a post, I've never seen a good Knuckles Amy swap before but that combination is pretty cursed to be fair.
But I have seen a lot better Shadow Rouge swaps before so it's not possible to do the concept.
I also don't know why aus involving Shadow have to be gay, like there's this cool Sonic/Shadow swap au by a dude named Marcus Larry (whos sadly trooned out) and it's also gay for no reason.
I just wish people could focus on the Sonic aspect and not inserting stuff that doesn't belong and that bogs down the concept with its insisted focus on it.
It's pretty clunky with the biggest example of its butchered run and gun sections and other things like its jarring cutscenes like when it cuts from Tails and Amy being kidnapped to a Knuckles level out of nowhere.
And the topic of that, the story of the game which is one of if not the most praised things about it are pretty mediocre, to be honest like for example like how the game's tone is all over the place with being light-hearted to then being edgy all of sudden to being cheesy again something that other games like Unleashed have been criticized a lot more for.
Also how the Team Hero story is so much worse than the Team Dark one is something that was also done in Sonic 06, and there are other things I could have brought up like how Biolizard being the final boss comes out of basically nowhere, how Eggman's plan is one of the stupidest he's ever had and how Rouge is only in the game to 1. be a rival to Knuckles, 2. learn about Project Shadow and foreshow Biolizard and 3. for Shadow's character ark.
And following up on the last note for the last part of this post, it really does feel like the game is just so beloved and able to stay relevant escaping out of the sub fandom around the pacific game bubble because of Shadow (along with Maria and Gerald Robotnik by extension) and his storyline.
Like how I hinted at above, there are a lot of Sonic games that have their own little bubbles of sub-cultures in of their own but they never are able to really break out of those bubbles and I feel like the reason why SA2 is different is because of just how more sentimental it could be for someone.
And biggest part of the game being more important people lies in Shadow and how him and his story line are handled.
Shadow is already a very cool character that edge kids will naturally gravitate and cling onto but his backstory dealing with heavy themes like lost, revenge and self-discovery would make that bound to him and by extension the game itself even stronger.
And this was something that wasn’t done on accident, I brought up how Sonic’s story is a lot worse then the dark story and that’s almost certainly how it’s meant to be to the point that the final boss is more much more sentimental to Shadow then it was for Sonic.
And there has to be other people who feel the same way because it’s hard to deny that Sonic Adventure 2 owns so much to it’s success and longevity to Shadow.
Which becomes bizarre when you realize that and think about what would happen if Shadow was different in the game, an idea that is popular because of his two scarped designs.
Side note: just shows that I’m right about Rouge when her old design is so much more simpler then Shadow’s.
The idea of executing ideas well is a small theme in this post with one being able to easily say that the reason why SA2 is able to get away with things that other games don’t is because of how it executes it better then them.
And that makes me wonder just how different not only the game would be but it’s the perception if they went with an earlier version of Shadow may it be Terios (the purple one) or Umbra (the disgusting black one) because it is interesting how Terios explains one of the biggest plot holes in the game, one that has been memed on for years now, being that why is Shadow confused with Sonic?
And it’s also interesting how Umbra is a halfway point between Terios and Shadow (also he might have Inspired the Shadow android plot-line in Shadow the Hedgehog.)
And because of those connections with the final Shadow we got makes me wonder if Shadow never really truly changed at all and they went into the game knowing exactly what they were going to do with him which would line up with his focus in the final game’s plot.
Edit: forget that originally Blaze was going to be Shadow which would probably be the one that’s an actual weird real off-world version of SA2 poetically.
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In defense of Eggman's plan in SA2, he was around 13 seconds of it actually working instead of his doomsday weapon getting destroyed when it was half-finished or something.
And there's the fact that he almost killed Sonic.
But this is essentially the only good part of the game, considering how someone in the government must be color blind enough to mistake Sonic for Shadow...And the fact that everyone is fighting an giant mutated salamander out of nowhere.
And there's the fact that he almost killed Sonic.
But this is essentially the only good part of the game, considering how someone in the government must be color blind enough to mistake Sonic for Shadow...And the fact that everyone is fighting an giant mutated salamander out of nowhere.
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Him tricking tails into saying it was the fake emerald is the best moment of the whole game, fuck everything else
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SA2 nostalgia is just zlennials coping with the fact that nothing they grew up with is worth having nostalgia over, just like the star wars prequels and the shrek series. They knew that shit was mid on release and barely tolerated it at the time, only becoming palatable in retrospect after culture further nosedived.
I like sonic but I feel like everyone younger than me likes it not because of fun gaming, but because they wanted shadow and one direction to kidnap them in middle school as a sex slave.
I like sonic but I feel like everyone younger than me likes it not because of fun gaming, but because they wanted shadow and one direction to kidnap them in middle school as a sex slave.
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G.U.N. knows who Shadow is, but what are they supposed to tell the public? "We just arrested Shadow the Hedgehog, that bioweapon we commissioned 50 years ago and then killed everyone involved with and lied to everyone about the entire incident afterwards. ...oops, we covered that up, guess we shouldn't have told you that lol"
Sonic is a good scapegoat because he looks close enough, and the color change can be explained with "You know how he turned golden when he saved the city? He just did that to turn black."
What would the average civilian believe? That it's Sonic with a slightly changed appearance (something he proved he could do when he went Super during the high-profile Chaos incident in Station Square which many people surely saw)? Or some entirely new dude that just happens to look just like his super form (but black) and just happens to be after the Chaos Emeralds (something Sonic is already known to have an affinity for)?
As the player, with all the knowledge we have, mixing the two characters up seems silly, but to the average joe in-universe, it seems totally plausible.
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There is also very few beings that size in-universe. It's pretty much our earth, but with a small group of roger rabbit toons, only one of which is well known. Honestly this is less of a plot hole than robotnic fooling knuckles.
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Yeah, but it's also G.U.N.'s fault for not inventing anything that can stop Robotnik from breaking into their top secret base, twice. Or just come up with some better cybersecurity.
It's kind of weird how they stop being relevant halfway through the game, though m
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Really like the scene especially because of Tails' reaction to Sonic presumably being dead where he takes it into his own hands to
Shows a level of character development and is by far one of the best if not the best moments for Tails.
Also, G.U.N. wasn't colorblind, they were just blind, Shadow's silhouette is significantly different enough from Sonic and they should have also recognized it at that.
On the topic of that, something I thought about after the post was made is how Sliver would 100% have Sonic's quail style or a slight variation of it if Shadow was Terios instead, also probably a different color palette.
So kinda like this.
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The reason why they keep mistaking Sonic for Shadow is because the script was made before the game, so in the concept art phase Shadow was a dark blue Hedgehog instead of the red/black colour scheme that we all so easily recognise.
Someone at SEGA probably changed his design because he wasn't too appealing and rather generic (It's just Sonic with a tan), but the script writers didn't change the plot from this point onward, so that's why it's all so weird.
TBFH that would have been cool to have proto-Shadow in the game and then any subsequent Shadow is the new design because reminder that he's supposed to have fucking died in SA1 and yet comes back in every title since then.
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Dude, how you be explaining this to me when you know less about it?
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You literally said this:
Why are you being intentionally retarded?
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The main point is that you explained it yourself and with less depth when I literally already brought it up on the same page.
The only part of your post I think was needed was the point about wanting him to return in a future game, I share the same feeling when it comes to that as well but I'm really not in favor about him being reincorporated in a Surge way tho.
Anyways while I'm here, here's a trailer for a cool (but sadly now canned) Terios SA2 conversion mod.
Update: the mod all of sudden came back to life, the given reason is that "modding tools have gotten better" but also maybe because of a Fnf Sonic mod having a version of Terios (the other design) in it.
But still cool to see the mod being worked on again and it now has support for that Super Sonic mod I brought up a few pages ago in this thread.
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Gameplay of Sonic Origins from the Korean Facebook page