Something about Girls and DnD

[Steinercard]

(throwing a fit about having a "girl" at the table, you used to just be able to pull that person aside and tell them to stop being a faggot. Jumping down someone's throat for not having 600 pages of rules memorized, etc.).

Probably revealing myself as "that guy" but I must say I've never had great experiences from girls being invited to game groups. In principle I'm not opposed to it but every time a girl has come into my groups they've promptly ruined it with some kind of petulant drama. In a group of lads we can fart and curse. Make crude jokes and so on. I understand needing to be polite amongst strangers but these groups are my friends. I can let my guard down. Never found a woman who can just accept we make dirty jokes and like to actually have fun without any weird high school drama. If it was just me on my own making the jokes I'd shut up but these are groups of my friends with similar interests and a similar sense of humour. The girls have always ALWAYS been the Critical Role types. They have no interest in playing a systems driven game. Hell, any game tbh. They want the story they heard about on You Tube. And even more so than any bloke they WILL argue with the DM when they don't get their own way. No matter how much I explain to them we're playing b/x OSR style stuff. And it's cool if you don't understand what that means we can explain as we go on. They want to "fix" groups to be about them and their issues. Never just assimilate into what we like and expect members of our group to be. So yes. I ended up being That Guy and having a blanket "no girls allowed" rule. My piece of mind has never been better. I've been able to get a group up to 6 months play time. Which I haven't been able to do for years. It's bliss. We're all cool. No drama. Highly recommended. Thots begone.

Critical Role does annoy me more as time goes on as I like OSR and what pen and paper RPGs are capable of. CR is just some actors not giving a toss about the rules playing characters that are not allowed to die because the fans will get upset. They don't need Dungeons and Dragons, they should just call the show "Who's sword is it anyway?" and put a disclaimer at the front of each episode that it's just acting (and it's probably scripted).

Has there ever been a time when a roll was critical on that show?

Took it right out of my mouth. I've been drawn to the OSR stuff recently due it empowering the DM and dialing back the power levels. I'm not completely a spiteful DM. But I enable my players to experience the full force of the consequences of their actions. They either learn not to rush through the trap filled dungeon or they keep dying until they do. I don't have to spring anything on them. But I won't fudge their roles and resurrect them when I feel like it. I enforce the rules fairly and unbiasedly.

Oh god, Critical Role. Even Matt Mercer has publicly apologized for what has basically been dubbed "the matt mercer effect". It's probably one of the worst things to happen on any sort of scale over the years in TTRPGs. Suddenly everyone thinks they're some grand voice actor or master of improv, they all believe they're the main protagonist(one of these types will try and hog the spotlight at your table, or multiple of them will just fight over it), constantly want to just throw disruptive banter out as if your group has been playing for a couple of years but you're still on session 2. Will try to correct the DM and players about how the CR people do things. These are also the same sort of people who will show up with a 5 page backstory containing epic tales of adventure, who need to be reminded that we aren't playing their backstory and that they're still level 1.

Matt never apologized. He just acknowledged the issue exists without addressing the actual disease itself. He just gave some limp answer "well every GM plays the game differently". That's not the issue and he knows it. It's that his show has purposefully warped the perceptions of what DnD is in order to present it as less of a game so more people wouldn't be intimidated by it. He simplfied it for entertainment purposes because actual DnD is autistic as fuck and that scares normalfags away. Actual lets plays of DnD are boring as fuck because DnD is meant to be PLAYED, oddly enough. Not watched. The big issue with Matt Mercer is just how fucking disingenuous that asshole is. People here should know that those who go on about how nice they are publicly are not actually nice. They just want praise for BEING nice. And when they can't get it they won't be nice. Matt knows more about the Mercer effect then he lets on. But he also knows that his audience are invested in his illusion of DnD. If he were to just go "this is a reality tv show loosely based on DnD and is not representative of a real game." he'd lose a lot of his audience. Because he sold this as DnD to them. That's what they understand it to be. That's what they obnoxiously want everyone else to do.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Matt never apologized. He just acknowledged the issue exists without addressing the actual disease itself. The big issue with Matt Mercer is just how fucking disingenuous that asshole is.

He radiates douche energy.

No one knew who Matt was before Felicia Day gave him a platform. This is like crack cocaine to him.

 

[UnKillFill]

Why exactly do you think Matt Mercer owes you an apology? How is it his fault that you invited a retarded faggot to your table?

 

[p1138]

Why exactly do you think Matt Mercer owes you an apology? How is it his fault that you invited a retarded faggot to your table?

No idea. Apparently other people playing D&D differently is a huge problem, assuming it isn't a case of having someone at your own table with an unreasonable expectation when they could simply go find one of many groups that will happily spend all day in a circle jerk pretending to be on Critical Role. Fact is, expectations of DMs and players has always been an issue and sometimes it isn't made clear. Keeping this on topic with Spoony, even in his original version of the Jedi story the DM tried to make it clear to spoony what sort of game it was and Spoony didn't listen. What happened? He left the game(reasonable), and people probably just moved on without him(also reasonable), since he clearly was a problem at the table.

 

[ShimmyHolmes]

Why exactly do you think Matt Mercer owes you an apology? How is it his fault that you invited a retarded faggot to your table?

Because apparently it's easier to blame the person who raised the bar than the people who fail to reach it, make an ass of themselves in the process, and drag others down with them. See also: thin privilege.

 

[p1138]

Probably revealing myself as "that guy" but I must say I've never had great experiences from girls being invited to game groups. In principle I'm not opposed to it but every time a girl has come into my groups they've promptly ruined it with some kind of petulant drama. In a group of lads we can fart and curse. Make crude jokes and so on. I understand needing to be polite amongst strangers but these groups are my friends. I can let my guard down. Never found a woman who can just accept we make dirty jokes and like to actually have fun without any weird high school drama. If it was just me on my own making the jokes I'd shut up but these are groups of my friends with similar interests and a similar sense of humour. The girls have always ALWAYS been the Critical Role types. They have no interest in playing a systems driven game. Hell, any game tbh. They want the story they heard about on You Tube. And even more so than any bloke they WILL argue with the DM when they don't get their own way. No matter how much I explain to them we're playing b/x OSR style stuff. And it's cool if you don't understand what that means we can explain as we go on. They want to "fix" groups to be about them and their issues. Never just assimilate into what we like and expect members of our group to be. So yes. I ended up being That Guy and having a blanket "no girls allowed" rule. My piece of mind has never been better. I've been able to get a group up to 6 months play time. Which I haven't been able to do for years. It's bliss. We're all cool. No drama. Highly recommended. Thots begone.

If you just haven't found a woman willing to play and isn't just wanting to copy CR, that's understandable. Doesn't mean they're all terrible by default. However wanting to sit around ripping ass at the table...

Took it right out of my mouth. I've been drawn to the OSR stuff recently due it empowering the DM and dialing back the power levels. I'm not completely a spiteful DM. But I enable my players to experience the full force of the consequences of their actions. They either learn not to rush through the trap filled dungeon or they keep dying until they do. I don't have to spring anything on them. But I won't fudge their roles and resurrect them when I feel like it. I enforce the rules fairly and unbiasedly.

Fudging rolls and keeping players alive isn't really a version thing. Hell, I'd actually say 5e is massive dip in player power level compared to high level 2e, 3.5e, and pf1e. That being said, if your group wants to play OSR, great. Your group can do that, other groups can do other things. Now if you tell a person trying to join your group that you play OSR and give them the description just now, and they throw a tard fit because 3 sessions in their player is dead, you don't do enough voices, and Matt Mercer would supposedly do something different, then yeah they're the shithead.

Matt never apologized. He just acknowledged the issue exists without addressing the actual disease itself. He just gave some limp answer "well every GM plays the game differently". That's not the issue and he knows it. It's that his show has purposefully warped the perceptions of what DnD is in order to present it as less of a game so more people wouldn't be intimidated by it. He simplfied it for entertainment purposes because actual DnD is autistic as fuck and that scares normalfags away. Actual lets plays of DnD are boring as fuck because DnD is meant to be PLAYED, oddly enough. Not watched. The big issue with Matt Mercer is just how fucking disingenuous that asshole is. People here should know that those who go on about how nice they are publicly are not actually nice. They just want praise for BEING nice. And when they can't get it they won't be nice. Matt knows more about the Mercer effect then he lets on. But he also knows that his audience are invested in his illusion of DnD. If he were to just go "this is a reality tv show loosely based on DnD and is not representative of a real game." he'd lose a lot of his audience. Because he sold this as DnD to them. That's what they understand it to be. That's what they obnoxiously want everyone else to do.

Yes, every DM is different. There are many different styles and ways of playing D&D. The idea that your way is somehow correct and anyone else's is bad or wrong, is pretty much the exact same issue as the idiot CR fanboys, just flipped in the other direction. As far as getting exposure from that hag Felicia Day who ruins basically every show she's ever been on, and wanting to keep the gravy train going, sure why not. It's not as if Matt Mercer invented LARPing or the idea of even at a table people acting like improv theater weirdos. As far as how nice he is publicly vs how he might be privately... so what? You've basically described any public figure that has even a modicum of actual charisma. The guy might be a complete douche in his private life, that doesn't have anything to do with D&D. As far as simplifying it, 5e already did that and lo and behold it finally "blew up" with the rest of nerd culture becoming mainstream.

 

[plattschwanz]

Reading all this autistic sperging about tabletop RPGs makes me glad I only ever played skirmish wargames.

 

[p1138]

Reading all this autistic sperging about tabletop RPGs makes me glad I only ever played skirmish wargames.

I've seen people unironically ree while playing wargames, you're not in much better company in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Steinercard]

Why exactly do you think Matt Mercer owes you an apology? How is it his fault that you invited a retarded faggot to your table?

He could just say "hey, I'm sorry my weird reality show is warping people's perceptions. We aren't playing real DnD guys. Please stop demanding other GMs cater to the warped perceptions we give you." It's that easy but he won't because money. And frankily his way of doing things is not my way. I don't like it. If others want to do that, that's on them. Whether I like it or not shouldn't mean anything to them. But I can still voice my opinion on a public forum.

No idea. Apparently other people playing D&D differently is a huge problem, assuming it isn't a case of having someone at your own table with an unreasonable expectation when they could simply go find one of many groups that will happily spend all day in a circle jerk pretending to be on Critical Role. Fact is, expectations of DMs and players has always been an issue and sometimes it isn't made clear. Keeping this on topic with Spoony, even in his original version of the Jedi story the DM tried to make it clear to spoony what sort of game it was and Spoony didn't listen. What happened? He left the game(reasonable), and people probably just moved on without him(also reasonable), since he clearly was a problem at the table.

Through your oddly passive aggresive holyer than thou bullshit ( on Kiwi farms of all places, fuck off. We all retards here.) I missed the part when I said my way was better than others. I like the OSR mentality. But I never said my way was better. I don't care how others play DnD but I do care when people come into my games demanding I change it for them. I have a good group, we have a good atmosphere that I like. I wouldn't demand others change. But don't ask me to. I thought I made that clear when I first started moaning about Spoony doing just that.

 

[UnKillFill]

He could just say "hey, I'm sorry my weird reality show is warping people's perceptions. We aren't playing real DnD guys. Please stop demanding other GMs cater to the warped perceptions we give you."

I've already talked shit about Mercer elsewhere on the forums. I have some issues with the guy, but what you apparently want from him is pretty much exactly what he said in the response @p1138 quoted a few posts back. He just didn't say "sorry" because he literally didn't do anything that he needed to apologize for. If somebody comes to your table and acts shitty, then that's on them. If you let them stay, then it's on you.

And frankily his way of doing things is not my way.

And your way of doing things isn't his way. It seems to me that if he owes you an apology for that then you owe him one as well.

I don't like it. If others want to do that, that's on them. Whether I like it or not shouldn't mean anything to them. But I can still voice my opinion on a public forum.

Literally nobody said you couldn't. I was just asking why you think he owes you an apology. And for the record, you didn't answer my question.

 

[p1138]

He could just say "hey, I'm sorry my weird reality show is warping people's perceptions. We aren't playing real DnD guys. Please stop demanding other GMs cater to the warped perceptions we give you." It's that easy but he won't because money. And frankily his way of doing things is not my way. I don't like it. If others want to do that, that's on them. Whether I like it or not shouldn't mean anything to them. But I can still voice my opinion on a public forum.


Through your oddly passive aggresive holyer than thou bullshit ( on Kiwi farms of all places, fuck off. We all retards here.) I missed the part when I said my way was better than others. I like the OSR mentality. But I never said my way was better. I don't care how others play DnD but I do care when people come into my games demanding I change it for them. I have a good group, we have a good atmosphere that I like. I wouldn't demand others change. But don't ask me to. I thought I made that clear when I first started moaning about Spoony doing just that.

When you bitch moan and complain about one way to play, then sit there and prop up your way to play... when nobody asked you about it, yeah that's still trying to prop up your own way. There's nothing "holier than thou" about it. You're sitting there ranting about Matt Mercer, and bringing up OSR for no damn reason. Not complaining about someone else's way of playing?

It's that his show has purposefully warped the perceptions of what DnD is in order to present it as less of a game so more people wouldn't be intimidated by it. He simplfied it for entertainment purposes because actual DnD is autistic as fuck and that scares normalfags away. Actual lets plays of DnD are boring as fuck because DnD is meant to be PLAYED, oddly enough. Not watched.

I never demanded you play differently, or cater to me at your table. I said you could do whatever you want. Just like Matt Mercer can do whatever he wants. If you want to sit there with your friends smelling like you've shit yourselves for hours because apparently ripping ass is just the thing to do, then go for it.