SJW Art and Extremes

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Something I've noticed about "SJW" artist is that all of them are " nARTcissist" as I like to call them, They basically constantly feel the need to bash critics, even when they sugar coat everything they say,and seems to go off at people or things that "challenge" their art/style. such as tutorials.

Hell I remember an artist on twitter deleted her account/post, because a bunch of Nartcissist decided to scream "I CAN DRAW HOW I WANT" on her tutorial post.

There was also a situation with Lavendertowne a while back, where people went off at her cause of her "Do this not that" art videos.

I will never understand why people get so worked over art tutorials, yeah some are pretty shit at explaining, and give terrible advice, but when it comes to ones that are just giving suggestions and tips,what's there to get mad about,it's not like the creator is holding you hostage and forcing you to draw their way, you can just ignore them.

Speaking as someone who actually likes some "SJW" art, and as fuckhead on this thread, one of the biggest problem with "SJW" art to me is that, IT'S BORING.

Oh someone drew miku saying "trans rights" for 7478474834848378th time, what's new?

Someone made tomboyish character a lesbian with body hair, I totally didn't expect that at all...

"SJW" artist love to preach about diversity, when a ironically they tend to make characters look the same, just blacker and fatter.

Artist like this really need to learn that diversity isn't just a characters' sexuality/gender/race, that's part of it, but diversity also includes a character's personality, their beliefs, what they like and dislike, and even their fucking height and shoe size play a role in making a diverse cast. (Sorry if I sound like some stuck-up insane artsy stoner. I'm just tired.)
 
JeaneJanae said:
Speaking as someone who actually likes some "SJW" art, and as fuckhead on this thread, one of the biggest problem with "SJW" art to me is that, IT'S BORING.

Oh someone drew miku saying "trans rights" for 7478474834848378th time, what's new?

Someone made tomboyish character a lesbian with body hair, I totally didn't expect that at all...

"SJW" artist love to preach about diversity, when a ironically they tend to make characters look the same, just blacker and fatter.
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Does anyone remember when goth and then emo were all the rage? Those styles were all about being "different"... but both goth/emo fashion had very strict stylistic elements and visual tropes, all usually set by popular members of the community or widely consumed media. Usually band members in the case of goth/emo. The upshot is that the people who embraced these styles ended up all looking the same. It happens really often.

SJW art is essentially the same thing, only with a heavier focus on the ideological context. You can be as "different" as you want drawing SJW art, but you can only draw characters who fit into a recognized oppressed minority. Racial, sexual or religious. Emphasis on the "oppressed" part. No one is drawing a character who unironically wears a Star of David on a necklace, after all.

As for the visual part, while on the whole there's a wider choice of style tropes to pick from, it's still all follow-the-leader, even more so than the previous example. You can almost always trace who those eyesores mooched their art style from.

Oh, and the least said about the massive fetishization of negative aspects of characters, the better. Holy fuck, I haven't ever seen group this large that's also so obsessed with romanticizing and sexualizing egomania, narcissism, psychosis, sociopathy or flat-out insanity.
 
Corn Flakes said:
Does anyone remember when goth and then emo were all the rage? Those styles were all about being "different"... but both goth/emo fashion had very strict stylistic elements and visual tropes, all usually set by popular members of the community or widely consumed media. Usually band members in the case of goth/emo. The upshot is that the people who embraced these styles ended up all looking the same. It happens really often.

SJW art is essentially the same thing, only with a heavier focus on the ideological context. You can be as "different" as you want drawing SJW art, but you can only draw characters who fit into a recognized oppressed minority. Racial, sexual or religious. Emphasis on the "oppressed" part. No one is drawing a character who unironically wears a Star of David on a necklace, after all.

As for the visual part, while on the whole there's a wider choice of style tropes to pick from, it's still all follow-the-leader, even more so than the previous example. You can almost always trace who those eyesores mooched their art style from.

Oh, and the least said about the massive fetishization of negative aspects of characters, the better. Holy fuck, I haven't ever seen group this large that's also so obsessed with romanticizing and sexualizing egomania, narcissism, psychosis, sociopathy or flat-out insanity.
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>Goth/Emo

Hey, remember how Tumblr tried to bring back goth/emo or "scenecore" culture only for it to be absolutely cringeworthy?
 
Corn Flakes said:
Does anyone remember when goth and then emo were all the rage? Those styles were all about being "different"... but both goth/emo fashion had very strict stylistic elements and visual tropes, all usually set by popular members of the community or widely consumed media. Usually band members in the case of goth/emo. The upshot is that the people who embraced these styles ended up all looking the same. It happens really often.

SJW art is essentially the same thing, only with a heavier focus on the ideological context. You can be as "different" as you want drawing SJW art, but you can only draw characters who fit into a recognized oppressed minority. Racial, sexual or religious. Emphasis on the "oppressed" part. No one is drawing a character who unironically wears a Star of David on a necklace, after all.

As for the visual part, while on the whole there's a wider choice of style tropes to pick from, it's still all follow-the-leader, even more so than the previous example. You can almost always trace who those eyesores mooched their art style from.

Oh, and the least said about the massive fetishization of negative aspects of characters, the better. Holy fuck, I haven't ever seen group this large that's also so obsessed with romanticizing and sexualizing egomania, narcissism, psychosis, sociopathy or flat-out insanity.
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At least with goth and emo culture, it was more about fashion and appearance, as well as occasionally making statement, for some, and MOST people didn't take themselves too seriously, so it was mostly harmless.

Really a lot of "SJW" art could be fixed if the artist in question went outside their comforts zones or even tried style replication.

With "SJW" artist it seems like some of them may actually be genuine narcissist trying to disguise their kinks as "progressive".

I've said it before and I'll say it, again don't care what kinda fucked up kinky shit you're into so long as you don't try and disguise it as ProgressiveTM *Cough* Rory,Dobson *Cough*

It also seems like some have genuine meltdowns and breakdowns when confronted with critique, WHICH IS NOT HEALTHY, trust me I know, or even try to completely ruin those better than them.

I remember a while back there was an artist on tumblr who painted a really cool image of a girl at an arcade only to be met with accusations of tracing, with little to no proof mind you, and i even heard a rumor that some people went as far as claiming they were a pedo, all cause this person painted a good looking image, WTF is wrong with these loons
 
Yukari Yakumo said:
>Goth/Emo

Hey, remember how Tumblr tried to bring back goth/emo or "scenecore" culture only for it to be absolutely cringeworthy?
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Pepperidge Farm remembers!

And that's another thing,

SJW art is, like most "counterculture" art, mostly transformative. A lot of SJW output is just taking things that already exist and modifying them to fit their A E S T H E T H I C S. Be it lazy "X says trans rights!" memes, or slightly more involved "redesigns" that invariably involve either emasculating/masculinizing (if male/female, respectively), genderbending, racebending, or at the very least politicizing the character in some way (Sailor Moon as a punk lesbian feminist was mentioned earlier in the thread).

What little original content there is tends to come in two forms: either they just machinegun new OCs out onto their blogs and galleries, each usually as shallow as just their gender, sexual preference, and precisely one identifying characteristic; or massively focusing on a single self-insert character in a story where every other character is an one-dimensional idealized caricature.

Basically, if you want quality original content, look elsewhere. What little technically competent art SJWs produce then becomes completely mired in political posturing. Worse still, artists who fall into SJWness tend to lose quality during their conversion. Tatsuya Ishida, from Sinfest, had a very well-defined and crisp style at the start. But as his webcomic became more and more "woke" and the characters degenerated into one-dimensional versions of their original concept, his style devolved into something very blobby and soft, with much less detail than his pre-wokening comics.

Seriously, Social Justice art: not even once.
 
Corn Flakes said:
Pepperidge Farm remembers!

And that's another thing,

SJW art is, like most "counterculture" art, mostly transformative. A lot of SJW output is just taking things that already exist and modifying them to fit their A E S T H E T H I C S. Be it lazy "X says trans rights!" memes, or slightly more involved "redesigns" that invariably involve either emasculating/masculinizing (if male/female, respectively), genderbending, racebending, or at the very least politicizing the character in some way (Sailor Moon as a punk lesbian feminist was mentioned earlier in the thread).

What little original content there is tends to come in two forms: either they just machinegun new OCs out onto their blogs and galleries, each usually as shallow as just their gender, sexual preference, and precisely one identifying characteristic; or massively focusing on a single self-insert character in a story where every other character is an one-dimensional idealized caricature.

Basically, if you want quality original content, look elsewhere. What little technically competent art SJWs produce then becomes completely mired in political posturing. Worse still, artists who fall into SJWness tend to lose quality during their conversion. Tatsuya Ishida, from Sinfest, had a very well-defined and crisp style at the start. But as his webcomic became more and more "woke" and the characters degenerated into one-dimensional versions of their original concept, his style devolved into something very blobby and soft, with much less detail than his pre-wokening comics.

Seriously, Social Justice art: not even once.
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Can you show us Tatsuya’s art for reference?
And I definitely agree with everything you said. These artists are the worst! They deserve a lesson from us kiwis.
 
FluffyTehFennekin said:
Can you show us Tatsuya’s art for reference?
And I definitely agree with everything you said. These artists are the worst! They deserve a lesson from us kiwis.
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Can't be assed to go looking through his archives for the exact point he started sliding down the slope, particularly since the original main character of the comic, Slick, was completely buried by the political shift but I wanted to use him as an example of just how the guy's style gradually shifted.

March 11th, 2006: Slick is sleazy but he has some depth to him. That was always the point of the character, he had hidden depths he refused to recognize. Note that Slick still had detail on his hair.
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January 4th, 2008: Slick is not a complete retard yet. The details on his character design are starting to vanish.
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January 12th, 2010: Notice that Slick, who was already pretty short and chibi-like, became even more so.
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May 22nd, 2013: all non-woke male characters in the comic are now complete idiots. The stark monochromatic look of the comic has been softened further.
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(Skipping a few years because this comic has been going on for way too long and finding comics featuring Slick becomes increasingly more difficult...)

April 25th, 2020: lines are very thin, shapes are very soft, there's no solid black color anywhere, all detail is implied. Slick is now a full caricature of the "cis-white male enemy".
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You could argue that this is merely the result of the guy's style evolving over time. And, partially, it is. But Ishida has been a professional artist for a very long time. His style was already very well set in the first few years of the comic. This isn't just art evolution due to the artist improving, the art became secondary to the political message he was trying to get across.

MOTI? Sure. Art-sperging? Absolutely. SJW artists piss me off sometimes because you can clearly see that some of them have the potential to create very high-quality art, but they hobble themselves by sticking with that soft, squishy and spineless art style. Sinfest in particular annoys me because I was witness to that fall in real time way back. It was a fun, well-drawn, highly subversive comic that took shots at everybody (the now-ultrafeminist can-do-no-wrong character Monique started out as hypocritical and flawed as everybody else). And now it's just heavy-handed political commentary and SocJus BS.
 
Corn Flakes said:
SJW artists piss me off sometimes because you can clearly see that some of them have the potential to create very high-quality art, but they hobble themselves by sticking with that soft, squishy and spineless art style.
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That's what saddens me the most about Rory. I actually like her shape language and how solid, angular, and/or chunky everyone/thing is. It reminds me of a sort of early 2000s influence, where the geometry of a character exaggerates the pose. Like Clone High kind of stuff. But then she's horny on main for FtM bimbos and forces this intense political bent in her artwork that hinders it. She could've been a good artist, but chooses to give people bumblebee faces and wasp waists instead. :\
 
Chromeo said:
That's what saddens me the most about Rory. I actually like her shape language and how solid, angular, and/or chunky everyone/thing is. It reminds me of a sort of early 2000s influence, where the geometry of a character exaggerates the pose. Like Clone High kind of stuff. But then she's horny on main for FtM bimbos and forces this intense political bent in her artwork that hinders it. She could've been a good artist, but chooses to give people bumblebee faces and wasp waists instead. :\
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The problem is that the himbos are hardly male-looking anyway. Not to mention what she did to Tony Stark by making him look like a sleazy fatso who looks like he smells. (Speaking of that, I'm surprised that B.O. hasn't become a staple trait in SJW art. It would be an attempt to give the patrachy a good middle finger by rejecting their cleanliness standards.)
 
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Love your characters!!
Your art is amazing!!

And yes, I totally agree with what you said earlier. These artists are the most self-centered beasts that ever walked the earth. It will only be long till they all commit seppuku.
 
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JeaneJanae said:
Speaking as someone who actually likes some "SJW" art, and as fuckhead on this thread, one of the biggest problem with "SJW" art to me is that, IT'S BORING.

Oh someone drew miku saying "trans rights" for 7478474834848378th time, what's new?

Someone made tomboyish character a lesbian with body hair, I totally didn't expect that at all...

"SJW" artist love to preach about diversity, when a ironically they tend to make characters look the same, just blacker and fatter.

Artist like this really need to learn that diversity isn't just a characters' sexuality/gender/race, that's part of it, but diversity also includes a character's personality, their beliefs, what they like and dislike, and even their fucking height and shoe size play a role in making a diverse cast. (Sorry if I sound like some stuck-up insane artsy stoner. I'm just tired.) [/SPOILER]
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I only have one big problem with the SJW/Tumblr art styles and it's the regression your art skills goes trough when you use some of it's tropes, like: exaggerated features while claiming it's realistic (most commonly with noses and body types), adding unnecessary/undesirable features (most people have body hair and stretchmarks no need to add them, unless you are going for ACTUAL realism but when it comes to the Tumblr/SJW artsyle most of the time they are distracting and they scream insecurities), most of them don't use reference for drawing, refusing any criticism, mimicking other Tumlr/SJW artist's style to the point that they are almost identical and more.
No big "powerleveling" here, just put the spoiler here so people can skip it if not interested in this lol.

I also liked to use some typical SJW art tropes at first cause it seemed like a lot of fun drawing them but the more and more I drew with those tropes I realized how much my art regressed because of it. Never looking up references, drawing things that look barely human, adapting a lot of CalArt's/SU tropes, always trying to find a way to make things easier to draw (while failing miserably)... it doesn't help your art skills. I only realized I that fucked up big time is when I tried to get back into drawing realistically. Since then I learned how to utilize those tropes better, to try to look up references, not to follow the "popular" art trend (like the dreaded "CalArts/SU" styles) and to look at my art with a more critical eye (but because of this I don't share my artworks if it's not up to my somewhat high standards). My art skills are still not as good as before I drew with these tropes but I am trying to climb back up there. (Wanted to share some old art for reference but nah.)

Otherwise I don't really care about the kind of diversity they are trying to push for because the end of the day Miku with a trans flag, is just a Miku with a trans flag and other popular characters saying "[-insert something here-] rights!" or other dumb stuff won't change the kind of people's mind you want to change (if anything they'll probably dislike the these people even more).

JeaneJanae said:
I've said it before and I'll say it, again don't care what kinda fucked up kinky shit you're into so long as you don't try and disguise it as ProgressiveTM *Cough* Rory,Dobson *Cough*
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Or this threads new "favorite" lolcow, DestinytoMoon.

JeaneJanae said:
i even heard a rumor that some people went as far as claiming they were a pedo, all cause this person painted a good looking image, WTF is wrong with these loons.
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The pedo allegations on Tumblr and other sites really need to stop, especially if you don't have concrete evidence. There is a new pedo allegations every week on that hellsite which doesn't really help with it's already bad image. And you can get called a pedo for the most miniscule thing, for example: there was a Russian artist who drew a female face (mind you, it was just a female face from what I know of so nothing sexual or anything) and they were basically called a pedo and reported because of it. (This happened on DeviantArt btw.)
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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but if you are the one with the kind of mentality that would string the words "a 13 year old that wants to suck your dick" together when looking at a piece of art maybe, only maybe, the problem does not fall on the artist's hands.

Edit, because I had to check this person's gallery:
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https://www.deviantart.com/ep7/art/2019-819267064 - (Archive)
 
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