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Original:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/opinion/should-we-cancel-aristotle.html
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Should We Cancel Aristotle?
He defended slavery and opposed the notion of human equality. But he is not our enemy.
By Agnes Callard
Ms. Callard is a philosopher and professor.
  • July 21, 2020


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The Greek philosopher Aristotle did not merely condone slavery, he defended it; he did not merely defend it, but defended it as beneficial to the slave. His view was that some people are, by nature, unable to pursue their own good, and best suited to be “living tools” for use by other people: “The slave is a part of the master, a living but separated part of his bodily frame.”
Aristotle’s anti-liberalism does not stop there. He believed that women were incapable of authoritative decision making. And he decreed that manual laborers, despite being neither slaves nor women, were nonetheless prohibited from citizenship or education in his ideal city.
Of course Aristotle is not alone: Kant and Hume made racist comments, Frege made anti-Semitic ones, and Wittgenstein was bracingly upfront about his sexism. Should readers set aside or ignore such remarks, focusing attention on valuable ideas to be found elsewhere in their work?
This pick-and-choose strategy may work in the case of Kant, Hume, Frege and Wittgenstein, on the grounds that their core philosophical contributions are unrelated to their prejudices, but I do not think it applies so well to Aristotle: His inegalitarianism runs deep.


Aristotle thought that the value or worth of a human being — his virtue — was something that he acquired in growing up. It follows that people who can’t (women, slaves) or simply don’t (manual laborers) acquire that virtue have no grounds for demanding equal respect or recognition with those who do.
As I read him, Aristotle not only did not believe in the conception of intrinsic human dignity that grounds our modern commitment to human rights, he has a philosophy that cannot be squared with it. Aristotle’s inegalitarianism is less like Kant and Hume’s racism and more like Descartes’s views on nonhuman animals: The fact that Descartes characterizes nonhuman animals as soulless automata is a direct consequence of his rationalist dualism. His comments on animals cannot be treated as “stray remarks.”


If cancellation is removal from a position of prominence on the basis of an ideological crime, it might appear that there is a case to be made for canceling Aristotle. He has much prominence: Thousands of years after his death, his ethical works continue to be taught as part of the basic philosophy curriculum offered in colleges and universities around the world.
And Aristotle’s mistake was serious enough that he comes off badly even when compared to the various “bad guys” of history who sought to justify the exclusion of certain groups — women, Black people, Jews, gays, atheists — from the sheltering umbrella of human dignity. Because Aristotle went so far as to think there was no umbrella.

Yet I would defend Aristotle, and his place on philosophy syllabuses, by pointing to the benefits of engaging with him. He can help us identify the grounds of our own egalitarian commitments; and his ethical system may capture truths — for instance, about the importance of aiming for extraordinary excellence — that we have yet to incorporate into our own.


And I want to go a step further, and make an even stronger claim on behalf of Aristotle. It is not only that the benefits of reading Aristotle counteract the costs, but that there are no costs. In fact we have no reason at all to cancel Aristotle. Aristotle is simply not our enemy.
I, like Aristotle, am a philosopher, and we philosophers must countenance the possibility of radical disagreement on the most fundamental questions. Philosophers hold up as an ideal the aim of never treating our interlocutor as a hostile combatant. But if someone puts forward views that directly contradict your moral sensibilities, how can you avoid hostility? The answer is to take him literally — which is to say, read his words purely as vehicles for the contents of his beliefs.
There is a kind of speech that it would be a mistake to take literally, because its function is some kind of messaging. Advertising and political oratory are examples of messaging, as is much that falls under the rubric of “making a statement,” like boycotting, protesting or publicly apologizing.
Such words exist to perform some extra-communicative task; in messaging speech, some aim other than truth-seeking is always at play. One way to turn literal speech into messaging is to attach a list of names: a petition is an example of nonliteral speech, because more people believing something does not make it more true.
Whereas literal speech employs systematically truth-directed methods of persuasion — argument and evidence — messaging exerts some kind of nonrational pressure on its recipient. For example, a public apology can often exert social pressure on the injured party to forgive, or at any rate to perform a show of forgiveness. Messaging is often situated within some kind of power struggle. In a highly charged political climate, more and more speech becomes magnetically attracted into messaging; one can hardly say anything without arousing suspicion that one is making a move in the game, one that might call for a countermove.
For example, the words “Black lives matter” and “All lives matter” have been implicated in our political power struggle in such a way as to prevent anyone familiar with that struggle from using, or hearing, them literally. But if an alien from outer space, unfamiliar with this context, came to us and said either phrase, it would be hard to imagine that anyone would find it objectionable; the context in which we now use those phrases would be removed.
 
thats something pretty new. the Positivismusstreit was 50 years ago and some of the people defending science against marxism are still alive.

why is the US losing a battle against the Frankfurt school 60 years after popper BTFOed them?

also anglos shouldnt into philosophy, it always fails on the very basic level.
Because if you factor Popper into anything you admit science doesn't have full authority like it claims and credentialism has to die. US elite(east coast types) have always needed credentials to feel good and superior about themselves. Popper destroys that.
 
thats something pretty new. the Positivismusstreit was 50 years ago and some of the people defending science against marxism are still alive.

why is the US losing a battle against the Frankfurt school 60 years after popper BTFOed them?

also anglos shouldnt into philosophy, it always fails on the very basic level.

My few observations of the local academia give me a few guesses for why that happened (of course, I don't know if this was just a regional issue or if it was a nationwide one)
  • One of the heads of one of humanities department was a formerly poor white dude who felt inferior when he got into the academics way back in the 1970s, so he vowed to "open up" the college as much as possible; As a consequence for decades, he advocated for more diversity in the college academics and administration whenever he got the chance. His discipline is now being canceled by the same groups he spent so many decades encouraging. The most horrific part of it is that the whole reason he originally got the cold shoulder from the "old guard" academics which encouraged him to push for diversity in the first place was that they were afraid he would not be able to adapt to the local traditions they had and instead would try to rip them down if he got any power, which of course he did.
  • A more simple problem is the academics all seemed to be afraid to genuinely criticize each other, especially when they said something you could tell the other one thought was dumb; This "forced positivity" seemed to also seep into the classes themselves.
  • Finally, there seemed to be a serious disrespect for any academic sources that were older than a decade; I saw a lot of Professors cite their colleagues' work from a few years back, but if they ever did mention older work in their arguments it was almost always to mock it.
Now again, I don't know if this was just because the college I went to was a shitshow, or if these sorts of problems are nationwide.
 
Some of what the author accuses Aristotle of, such as believing women were below men, was in line with traditional Greek thought at the time. For instance, Ancient Greek women were to be in the home and do domestic duties. This is always a flaw with looking at history from a modern perspective. You need to put what people like Aristotle say in the context of his time period and compare it to other people of his time. By doing that, you get a better idea of how common his beliefs were.
 
Some of what the author accuses Aristotle of, such as believing women were below men, was in line with traditional Greek thought at the time. For instance, Ancient Greek women were to be in the home and do domestic duties. This is always a flaw with looking at history from a modern perspective. You need to put what people like Aristotle say in the context of his time period and compare it to other people of his time. By doing that, you get a better idea of how common his beliefs were.

You think this woman isn't cut from the same cloth as the people tearing down statues lately?

C'mon, this argument (because it's reasonable) is lost on such people.
 
Roman slavery wasn't horrific. Slaves could buy their freedom, and their children would have full roman citizenship as well as the right to run for office.

One particular issue with this was what would happen if children were born in slavery. There was a Roman legal case being fought over such a matter, but it was interrupted by the eruption of Vesuvius.

Slaves could indeed buy their freedom but being granted their freedom did not grant them roman citizenship, nor could they run for any public office without it. Most people earned roman citizenship through birth via parents who were citizens or (post marian reforms) service in the legion (prior to that point only citizens could serve in the legion)

That said the fact that these idiots are trying to cancel someone who has been dead for 2300 years should be a major red flag for the kind of people they are and what their mentality is, and just how far they're willing to go to try to destroy people if they have a reason to
 
We shouldn't erase historical figures because they said things that we found disagreeable alongside the contributions they made to humanity. As someone pointed out, his views reflected the opinions most Grecians held at the time.
 
It makes no sense to talk about "cancelling" Aristotle when he's not even taught anymore. Most of his thought has long since been relegated to "funny stuff people believed back when everyone went around in togas and laurel wreaths".
 
It makes no sense to talk about "cancelling" Aristotle when he's not even taught anymore. Most of his thought has long since been relegated to "funny stuff people believed back when everyone went around in togas and laurel wreaths".
what? old greek ideas are the perfect gateway to the modern ways for german ideas. Kant, Schoppenhauer and Pimmellutscher are so much easyer to understand if you started with ancient people like Aristotle.
 
Despite how dangerously close to #woke Twitter politics this piece gets, I can agree with its statement that despite all his flaws (real or percieved), we shouldn't "cancel" Aristotle. The rest of that jibber-jabber is just meaningless philosophical jargon and doesn't matter to me at all.

Of course, that's assuming that this piece was made in good faith in the first place.
 
what? old greek ideas are the perfect gateway to the modern ways for german ideas. Kant, Schoppenhauer and Pimmellutscher are so much easyer to understand if you started with ancient people like Aristotle.
Yup, that's why "Start with the Greeks" is a thing, but people just take the easy way out and start with 20th century French pedophiles instead.
 
Yup, that's why "Start with the Greeks" is a thing, but people just take the easy way out and start with 20th century French pedophiles instead.
French?that like asking an american about football. you start in greece, go to rome/italy and end in germany.
Kant is still the go to guy for ethics and if you like it abit strange you read Also sprach Zarathustra...
 
French?that like asking an american about football. you start in greece, go to rome/italy and end in germany.
Kant is still the go to guy for ethics and if you like it abit strange you read Also sprach Zarathustra...
Beyond Good and Evil should be read before Also speech Zarathustra imo. Need a firm launching pad before you blast off like that.
 
Beyond Good and Evil should be read before Also speech Zarathustra imo. Need a firm launching pad before you blast off like that.
Its all the ramblings of an insane genius and it makes sense for everyone reading it.
 
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