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In 2016, a “troll storm” hit Tanya Gersh, a Jewish wedding planner and real estate agent in Montana. The storm began when Andrew Anglin, the editor of the Neo-Nazi publication The Daily Stormer, published her photo, phone numbers, email addresses, and social media profiles, including one belonging to her young son.

Her phone rang incessantly, and she received death threats at her work email along with hundreds of anti-Semitic messages, including a Photoshopped image of her family superimposed above a Nazi concentration camp.

Gersh’s experience is emblematic of a type of harassment called doxing. Slang for doc-dropping, doxing is the process of making someone’s address, contact information, identity, or other information public, usually in order to intimidate, harass, or incite public outrage. The term dates back to the mid-2000s, but doxing has since become a well-known harassment tactic.

There aren’t clear statistics on how many people have been doxed, but a 2021 report from the Anti-Defamation League estimates 9 percent of Americans have experienced doxing.

The deluge of hate, which lasted months, forced Gersh to scrub her online life. Police sent patrols by her home and work. Her children’s school tightened security. She spoke with the FBI. But the trolling continued. She had panic attacks and says her physical health suffered as a result of the online abuse.

“What they did to me was not harassment. What they did to me was like terrorism. They took away everything that I knew to be my life,” Gersh said.

There is no doubt the doxing caused Gersh extreme harm. And victims of doxing can sometimes use laws against harassment, conspiracy, or cyberstalking to sue people who release their information. But was publishing Gersh’s contact information illegal? Many states are grappling with this question right now.

This year, at least eleven states have passed laws against doxing or strengthened existing cyberstalking laws to include the practice.

The lack of doxing laws is why this did happen to me, and why it has happened to so many people before me.
Tanya Gersh

Three more states, Nebraska, New Jersey, and West Virginia, are currently considering anti-doxing laws. California is considering increasing the penalties for doxing reproductive health care workers.

Even without an anti-doxing law in place in Montana, Gersh, working alongside the Southern Poverty Law Center, successfully sued Anglin for invading her privacy, inflicting emotional distress, and violating Montana’s Anti-Intimidation Act—a law that the “troll storm” incited by Anglin had defied but not one designed specifically to address the doxing that caused it. In 2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Montana adopted the recommendation of a federal magistrate to award Gersh $14 million in damages. She has yet to see the money.

Gersh argues if there had been a law in place that specifically addressed doxing, the storm might not have descended upon her in the first place.

“The lack of the doxing laws is why this did happen to me, and why it has happened to so many people before me,” she said. “I just happened to be the lucky one.”

How Do Anti-Doxing Laws Work?

The doxing laws that have passed, or are under consideration, allow people to hold the doxers accountable for releasing their information and the consequences of doing so.

So far, states have taken three approaches: laws that allow victims to sue doxers, laws that make doxing criminal, and laws that protect certain groups of people, such as health care workers, from online harassment. Each approach has its quirks.

In June, Nevada passed a law allowing doxing victims to pursue civil action if personal information is shared online with the intent of inciting harassment, stalking, or death.

This approach comes with some advantages, says Kendra Albert, a clinical instructor at the Cyberlaw Clinic at Harvard Law School. You don’t need law enforcement or a prosecutor to buy into the fact you’ve been doxed, and the burden of proving you’ve been doxed is lighter than it would be in criminal court.

However, when you’re being doxed by hundreds of people (some of whom may use anonymous accounts), it can be hard to identify just one person to sue.

“These laws are based primarily on the idea that you’re suing one individual, which may not be very helpful if what’s happening is a huge mob of people or multiple people are sharing the information,” Albert said.

Some states have made doxing a crime. In this case a doxer could face jail time or fines if convicted.

Nebraska is considering a bill that would make doxing a misdemeanor, or a felony if someone experiences death, mental anguish, or significant economic injury because of it.

It’s harder to prove a criminal case, but this approach does allow for more robust investigations to take place, said Albert. But that investigative power hinges on law enforcement taking action when people report doxing, or knowing what to do when online harassment does happen. That “has historically been a huge problem,” Albert said.

Finally, a handful of states have created hyper-targeted doxing laws protecting specific groups. Colorado has made it illegal to dox health care workers. Oklahoma passed a law making doxing police officers a misdemeanor punishable by six months in jail or a $1,000 fine. It’s already a misdemeanor to dox reproductive health care workers or patients in California, but legislators there are now considering a bill that would increase penalties.

There are also similar federal protections making it illegal to share personal information on various classes of federal employees, jurors, and witnesses.

Could Anti-Doxing Laws Be Abused?

Journalists regularly publish private information, like addresses or names. Voters might share a politician’s email address on Twitter. Both of these actions include sharing someone’s identity or contact information—sometimes against that person’s wishes. But they’re also tools to hold the powerful accountable, and concerns have been raised that doxing laws may be used to prevent or prosecute protected First Amendment activities.

The ACLU of Northern California voiced concerns over California’s bill, which would increase penalties for posting photos or personal information for reproductive health care workers and patients, because it could infringe on “protected expressive conduct.” The Northern California branch of the ACLU didn’t respond to a request for comment for this story.

In Nevada, the local ACLU raised objections to an earlier version of the anti-doxing bill that would have made doxing a criminal offense, out of concern that the law could lead to government officials pursuing action against people engaged in protests or freedom of speech.

Any of these laws could be subverted by the powerful.
Ben Schneier, Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society

The Nevada branch of the ACLU didn’t respond to requests for comment for this story. When the law was passed, Holly Welborn, the policy director at the ACLU of Nevada, told The Associated Press, “[The statute] cannot under any circumstances be used by a government official—whether that is a police officer or a legislator—as a tool to punish innocent behavior and constitutionally protected speech.”

The idea that anti-doxing laws could be used to punish whistleblowers is a real concern, said Bruce Schneier, a fellow at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University. “Any of these laws could be subverted by the powerful,” he said.

Lauren Krapf, the technology policy and advocacy counsel for the Anti-Defamation League, argues there are ways to craft anti-doxing laws that don’t harm whistleblowers. Under the proposed Nebraska law, doxing is only illegal if the perpetrator intends to cause harm by releasing information, or accidentally causes harm through recklessness.

“To the extent that these people are publishing information to share facts—and not acting with a level of intent that the information posted will be used to carry out criminal conduct such as death, bodily injury, or stalking—the Nebraska anti-doxing law would not apply,” Krapf said.

Requiring proof of malicious intent or negligence is an attempt to address free speech concerns. But it also opens a backdoor for bad actors to get around these laws. Doxers might attempt to disguise the fact that they intend to harm someone.

When Anglin’s followers doxed Gersh, she says, they tried to walk through this door. They peppered their threats with modifiers like “could” or “should.” Still, the evidence and the harm the doxing had caused her family remained overwhelming enough for a judge to award damages. And in Gersh’s case, it was abundantly clear Anglin and his followers were attempting to harass her.

Still, Gersh remains adamant that an anti-doxing law could have helped stop the troll storm in its tracks, not just because those new laws could lead to damages or even jail time for doxers, but because, in her view, they send a message. “Don’t think, haters, that you can hide behind a computer screen and not be held accountable for your actions,” she said.

 
Yes it should be illegal and stopped. Why? Because I don't want some fat fucking limp-dicked, stinking, unkempt, manlet, incel redditor faggot using cyber space to get his revenge because he's too much of a fucking coward to throw a punch or not be a little, crying, simping, pathetic, thin skinned bitch-arse pussified oxygen thief.

Gimme dem hats. Irony intentional
 
Depends on the individual case.
For example, none of my personal info is online so, if it appears somewhere, that info was stolen and that's a crime.
If you publically post your info online and then get angry when someone is reposting it, you're dumb and are simply facing the consequences of your actions, some of which will never be the same.
 
Anyone who gives a shit what fags say to them online need to just stop having social media.
Care to put your money where your mouth is, faggot? 2200 EST, 05/28/2020, 4210 Wolfetown Rd, Cherokee, NC 28719 Bring as many of your cowardly friends as you want; I'll go to prison, but all of you will go to the morgue.
 
You ever notice how leftists always manage to leave parts of the story out? Why did the trolls focus on Tanya Gersh? The article seems to suggest they just picked her out of a phonebook.
 
Depends on the individual case.
For example, none of my personal info is online so, if it appears somewhere, that info was stolen and that's a crime.
If you publically post your info online and then get angry when someone is reposting it, you're dumb and are simply facing the consequences of your actions, some of which will never be the same.
Just because it's not online doesn't mean it's stolen if someone posts it.

Is going to a local property records office and pulling public registrations and then uploading them stolen? I don't think so. The only thing that's illegal I think would be disseminating the info with intent to harm or incite harm.
 
The doxing laws that have passed, or are under consideration, allow people to hold the doxers accountable for releasing their information and the consequences of doing so.
Define “releasing the information”, because most of the time, the person themself is the “doxer”, we just collect, verify, collate and attribute it to the right person.

Also, if the issue is with people sending threats, or harrassment or calling jobs to get people fired, then deal with the outcomes, not with the doxing. I agree that people shouldn’t be at risk pf getting fired for saying something stupid on the internet - but since most of the people having their jobs harassed are the evil alt-righters, you know they’ll never make that illegal.
 
Depends on the intention.

If someone is saying they're A and there are public pictures of them being B, then go ahead: the intention is proving they are lying with publicly available information. What others do with this information is not your responsibility.

But if you post that info with the sole purpose of causing others to go after someone ("Twitter, do your thing"), then it should be a crime. We've seen many cases of Twitter users openly and specifically asking others to harass people and cause them trouble at work, home, or school only for their opinions. This should be illegal.
 
Just because it's not online doesn't mean it's stolen if someone posts it.

Is going to a local property records office and pulling public registrations and then uploading them stolen? I don't think so. The only thing that's illegal I think would be disseminating the info with intent to harm or incite harm.
Yeah, like what happens if you notice a public figure and post a selfie with them and it turns out you just outed their home town? Does that land you in the gulags?

Unless you have to break a law to get the info, doxing shouldn't be illegal.
 
Care to put your money where your mouth is, faggot? 2200 EST, 05/28/2020, 4210 Wolfetown Rd, Cherokee, NC 28719 Bring as many of your cowardly friends as you want; I'll go to prison, but all of you will go to the morgue.
11216 Burton St, Sugar Creek Missouri. I’ll beat that toothless hoosier ass. They ain’t gonna give you no marlboros when you go to jail.
 
Seems this was about the extortion story where people felt like she was extorting Richard Spencer's mom to force her to sell her property for less. I'm not sure if anyone has put forth evidence those claims were wrong, instead they're complaining there was backlash. It's retarded to go around trying to harass people for the hell of it, but I'm not sure how you'd craft a law against someone reporting what you genuinely did. Since there's no libel that appears to be committed the only annoying parts that you could theoretically ban would be posting her contact information.

Then the article even defends the idea of a double standard, where journos can post contact information on those they deem powerful, while ignoring what the reason was Gersh got reported on.
Journalists regularly publish private information, like addresses or names. Voters might share a politician’s email address on Twitter. Both of these actions include sharing someone’s identity or contact information—sometimes against that person’s wishes. But they’re also tools to hold the powerful accountable, and concerns have been raised that doxing laws may be used to prevent or prosecute protected First Amendment activities.
Richard Spencer is a jackass, but they're essentially defending someone here that wanted to harass his family for being related to him.

Something more realistic to make illegal would be libel. For instance Tommy Robinson had an incident that got resolved relatively recently. He had initially posted some video of a Syrian kid who was getting bullied and said something like the kid had been harassing girls in the school. He was completely wrong, but didn't retract his claims and many of his supporters thought he was fighting the good fight against those would be Muslim rape gang members. I think the parents of one of those girls that had been harassed even came out and said how Tommy got the wrong kid.

Thanks to Tommy's bullshit, a kid got harassed a fuck ton by people feeling they were on some righteous crusade. It was something that didn't need to happen for any reason and Tommy got his day in court. In Tommy's case, he got shut down because the UK has tougher libel laws, which is something the US could likely use to help shut down a lot of harassment campaigns that are largely built upon false claims.
 
Seems this was about the extortion story where people felt like she was extorting Richard Spencer's mom to force her to sell her property for less. I'm not sure if anyone has put forth evidence those claims were wrong, instead they're complaining there was backlash. It's retarded to go around trying to harass people for the hell of it, but I'm not sure how you'd craft a law against someone reporting what you genuinely did. Since there's no libel that appears to be committed the only annoying parts that you could theoretically ban would be posting her contact information.

Then the article even defends the idea of a double standard, where journos can post contact information on those they deem powerful, while ignoring what the reason was Gersh got reported on.

Richard Spencer is a jackass, but they're essentially defending someone here that wanted to harass his family for being related to him.

Something more realistic to make illegal would be libel. For instance Tommy Robinson had an incident that got resolved relatively recently. He had initially posted some video of a Syrian kid who was getting bullied and said something like the kid had been harassing girls in the school. He was completely wrong, but didn't retract his claims and many of his supporters thought he was fighting the good fight against those would be Muslim rape gang members. I think the parents of one of those girls that had been harassed even came out and said how Tommy got the wrong kid.

Thanks to Tommy's bullshit, a kid got harassed a fuck ton by people feeling they were on some righteous crusade. It was something that didn't need to happen for any reason and Tommy got his day in court. In Tommy's case, he got shut down because the UK has tougher libel laws, which is something the US could likely use to help shut down a lot of harassment campaigns that are largely built upon false claims.
In an environment where apologies or retracting claims are dealt with as a new avenue for attack, it really isn't strange that people don't do it anymore. Besides the criminal liabilities of apologising, once you've basicly been tortured as tommy robinson has for wanting justice for child rapists, it does fundamentally change who and what you are.
 
In an environment where apologies or retracting claims are dealt with as a new avenue for attack, it really isn't strange that people don't do it anymore. Besides the criminal liabilities of apologising, once you've basicly been tortured as tommy robinson has for wanting justice for child rapists, it does fundamentally change who and what you are.
I'm not intimately aware of British law, but I'm not sure clarifying a story about a kid getting bullied would've made the libel case against him worse. Reading the judgement, it sounds like they judge libel claims based on the general 'context' of what videos/information came from Tommy on the story, in which case a clarification would sound like it'd help clear things up for him and give him protection from the libel claims.

Regardless, this is the same guy that imperiled a court case involving a rapist because he wanted to defy a court ordered media blackout, which actually gave a guy convicted an excuse to file an appeal that hopefully won't go anywhere. So a lot of his actions seem more ego driven than him trying to do genuine work to get justice for child rapists. Which may also be why he didn't want to back down from his claims publicly about the school kid which resulted in the libel suit.
 
Regardless, this is the same guy that imperiled a court case involving a rapist because he wanted to defy a court ordered media blackout, which actually gave a guy convicted an excuse to file an appeal that hopefully won't go anywhere. So a lot of his actions seem more ego driven than him trying to do genuine work to get justice for child rapists. Which may also be why he didn't want to back down from his claims publicly about the school kid which resulted in the libel suit.
Look I'm not in the habit of defending mossad assets, but just perhaps, the UK is starting to build up a bigger precedence of letting all manner of child rapists off, and in media even going so far as to call these paki rape gangs "asian grooming gangs". Perhaps media blackouts are not about justice at all. Certainly silence didn't help the thousands of girls of rotherham, where some dads even got locked up for trying to report this to the police, before the story finally broke after years.

Maybe in that context, filming the child rapists is an attempt at justice. Maybe, like so many others, the guy will get off the way Saville did, regardless of Robinson's actions. Maybe the blackout itself is something that one should worry about in these kind of things. Maybe they're designed to prevent the kind of things like when a population the size of Antwerp protested across Belgium when it was clear there was fuckery going on in the Dutroux case.

Or maybe I should just trust the independant to do the thinking for me, instead.
 
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