Disaster Shooting at Spokane High School - Probably the IRA

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http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/at-...ng-at-high-school-in-washington-state-report/

At least three people have been hurt in a shooting that took place at the Freeman High School in Spokane, Washington.

Local news station KXLY reports that all Spokane South Hill Schools have been placed on lock down due to the shooting. Police tell the station that at least three people have been hurt, but have not yet revealed those people’s identities or their conditions.

Emergency crews are headed to the school.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/sep/13/shooting-reported-at-freeman-high-school/

Multiple injuries have been reported and a suspect is in custody after a shooting at Freeman High School in Rockford, south of Spokane.

Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich said at the scene that six people were shot, one fatally.

“The shooter is in the backseat of a patrol car right now,” Knezovich said.

Michael Moore, the chief of surgery at Providence Sacred Heart Medical Center, said eight surgery sites were open for the victims. Hospital security and local law enforcement were directing traffic in the area.

“We’re all hands on deck,” said Dr. Jeff Collins, the hospital’s chief physician. “We train for this regularly.”

Dozens of vehicles including a LifeFlight helicopter responded to the scene of the shooting. Parents were seen making anxious phone calls near lines of caution tape at the school. First responders were urging motorists not to use Highway 27 so that ambulances and other vehicles could get through.

A Twitter user named Christina posted a photo of children sitting on the floor of a classroom at about 10:30 a.m. with the caption: “At Freeman elementary currently. I am a junior, evacuated from the high school. At least 4 shots.”

An automated warning that was repeated on law enforcement radio channels said, “Freeman High School. Gunshots or stabbing. Stand back.”

Annie Baxter, whose two daughters attend Freeman Middle School, just across the street from the high school, said in a phone call that children were running into buildings and an alarm was sounding when she pulled up to the school area at about 10:15 a.m. Classes were about to begin because it’s a “late start” day, Baxter said.

“They did a modified lockdown drill yesterday,” she said. “I thought it was weird because they wouldn’t do (a drill) two days in a row.”

Baxter said she was being held in a multipurpose room with about 30 other people in Freeman Elementary School, which is also nearby. She said she was told that at least one person was shot but is expected to survive.

Baxter also said, “I saw someone carrying a gurney into the elementary school but I didn’t know why.”

Spokane Public Schools said on Twitter that all schools in the district “are in full lockdown as a precautionary measure.” An automated phone call also went out to parents of Spokane schools students. Freeman schools are not part of that district.

Cheryl Moser said her son, a freshman at Freeman High School, called her from a classroom on the second floor after hearing shots fired.

“He called me and said, ‘Mom there are gunshots.’ He sounded so scared. I’ve never heard him like that,” Moser said. “You never think about something happening like this at a small school.”

This story is developing.

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They're pretty good about locking up the doors for instance. I'm sure it comes down to whoever's inside that, either a teacher or student, just happens to get that swtich turned on in their heads that starts it.
Whereas over here...
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...Yeah, there's a reason why the jihadis have a pretty high KTD ratio.
 
One thing that a lot of people forget about Columbine, was that Dylan and Eric had actually practiced with their weapons before they carried everything out. That's one of the reasons they had such a high body count.

Proving that their teachers were right: you DO score better on the exam if you study up and do your homework
 
By my count, this is the first (media focused) mass shooting that's taken place since Trump became in office.
 
Before the media trips over itself to chalk it up the Nazis, a reminder they did that with the Columbine shooters who actually turned out to be homicidal anti racists who primarily wanted to murder Christian women, and one was a Jew.

lol the left-wing and right-wing need to stop trying to pawn off angry, confused, and nihilistic psychopaths who just hate everyone like Harris and Klebold on each other. All these articles trying to pin them down as "connected only to the people I dislike" are using selective information and ignoring the full picture.

School shooters like these guys or their worshipers like Randy Stair aren't the same thing as politically motivated terrorists. Was one of them a Jew who hated anti-semites? Likely. Did they target Christians specifically? Probably not lol.

They also believed in a warped social darwinism with them at the top of the pyramid and everyone else below them. This isn't politics, this is narcissism and severe mental illness.
 
lol the left-wing and right-wing need to stop trying to pawn off angry, confused, and nihilistic psychopaths who just hate everyone like Harris and Klebold on each other. All these articles trying to pin them down as "connected only to the people I dislike" are using selective information and ignoring the full picture.

School shooters like these guys or their worshipers like Randy Stair aren't the same thing as politically motivated terrorists. Was one of them a Jew who hated anti-semites? Likely. Did they target Christians specifically? Probably not lol.

They also believed in a warped social darwinism with them at the top of the pyramid and everyone else below them. This isn't politics, this is narcissism and severe mental illness.
Pretty sure politically motivated terrorism can and does manifest in school shootings (not every one or even a majority might be), so do mental illnesses. I'd be surprised if anyone who committed mass murder was undiagnosable with one or more pathologies. But the two aren't mutually exclusive
 
Fuck, I hope no one's dead, even the shooter. I want the little cunt to tell everyone in his own words why he did it and for everybody to fucking laugh at him. Then he can spend the rest of his miserable life in prison as a butt boy for Bubba.
 
who cares about what their fucking name is. that just gives the guy notability. asshole's name shouldnt be announced until they get the electric chair.
You're right, I forgot he's still alive, and that's usually what these azzhatz want
 
Pretty sure politically motivated terrorism can and does manifest in school shootings (not every one or even a majority might be), so do mental illnesses. I'd be surprised if anyone who committed mass murder was undiagnosable with one or more pathologies. But the two aren't mutually exclusive

Evil KKK member Dylann Roof was a high school dropout who was arrested for drug possession and described by his friends as being a drug abuser. I don't think reading crime stats on Stormfront turned him into a violent destructive person, all it did was give him a target for unleashing his hatred on the world at something.

He had nothing going for him in his life besides an upcoming trial, no job prospects, and likely no money to afford the drugs he was addicted to (he was arrested for possession of an opiate replacement pill suboxone, usually used for tapering opiate addicts down and not very recreational). He knew shooting up a place as sacred as a church would make him famous, so he did it.
 
Pretty sure politically motivated terrorism can and does manifest in school shootings (not every one or even a majority might be), so do mental illnesses. I'd be surprised if anyone who committed mass murder was undiagnosable with one or more pathologies. But the two aren't mutually exclusive

I never said it was impossible for school shootings to be political terrorism (the leftist extremist group Symbionese Liberation Army has done school shooting as terror back in the 70s) but what we think of as the prototypical "School Shooters" based on the Columbine Killers model has nothing to do with politics and making it a political issue is dumb.
 
has nothing to do with politics and making it a political issue is dumb.

Not only dumb, but extremists like The Young Turds actively wish they can group their political opponents in with mass murderers because they're sick, hateful people.

See: TYT's coverage of the San Bernadino Mass Shooting, where Cenk prematurely described the "terrorists" as white Christians and blamed the NRA in an insane screaming rant when it turned out to be radical Islamic Terrorists, one of them from Saudi Arabia.
 
I would add Lucas Werner as an option in the poll, but he already would fit under "insane". He's been offline for a couple of months now, most likely in an asylum. But a small part of me wouldn't be surprised if he spent all of this time planning a shooting spree.
 
Yeah, the Columbine kids were asshole edgelords who took shit way too far. From what I recall they did express racist views, however they weren't members of any white supremacist organization and I do wonder if they truly believed that stuff or were just saying it because it was edgy. They had gay tendencies? Wtf sources is that site using, the tumblr Columbine fandom?

As far as this shooting goes given the small fatality count I'm betting it was workplace or domestic violence taken to the workplace, like that one school shooting committed by a black dude a while back (the main person targeted was his ex who was a teacher at the school and he'd been stalking and harassing for some time leading up to the shooting IIRC).
 
I never said it was impossible for school shootings to be political terrorism (the leftist extremist group Symbionese Liberation Army has done school shooting as terror back in the 70s) but what we think of as the prototypical "School Shooters" based on the Columbine Killers model has nothing to do with politics and making it a political issue is dumb.
I think when people who kill (whether it be out right murder, in self defense, when they choose to go to war) state their motivation for doing so, they're probably being earnest. I don't think they're insincere when they say it was fueled by hatred, or they thought their lives were in danger, or they thought they were fighting for good. Is it the only reason they followed through with it (minus self defense)? No. Most sane, emotionally stable people could not be persuaded to murder even after immersing themselves into particularly edgy and radical rhetoric. There's a psychology behind things like boot camps and military training that'll enable people to survive the trauma of doing these kinds of things, and many times when the person isn't highly disassociative in the first place (think APD, sociopath, psychopath) it still leads to suicide and PTSD after (even people who've killed in self defense experience a lot of psychological trauma/depression/anxiety). Whether a person is disassociative or not probably doesn't change what made them think this was the right thing to do.

Evil KKK member Dylann Roof was a high school dropout who was arrested for drug possession and described by his friends as being a drug abuser. I don't think reading crime stats on Stormfront turned him into a violent destructive person, all it did was give him a target for unleashing his hatred on the world at something.

He had nothing going for him in his life besides an upcoming trial, no job prospects, and likely no money to afford the drugs he was addicted to (he was arrested for possession of an opiate replacement pill suboxone, usually used for tapering opiate addicts down and not very recreational). He knew shooting up a place as sacred as a church would make him famous, so he did it.
See above, I agree with everything you've said. It's not sane, emotionally well adjusted people who can be so flippantly radicalized.

eta: just added some specifics
 
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It's not sane, emotionally adjusted people who can be so flippantly radicalized.

No one sane ruins their life with a murder of another person. The tradeoff simply isn't worth it.

Most people murder in temporary bouts of insanity, but the ones that pre-meditate murder are truly fucked in the head. It's why we do and must punish pre-meditated murder much more harshly: these people have a much, much lower chance of rehabilitation.

Instead of these people getting help before they commit horrible acts, they usually just get prescribed SSRIs.

Did you know? James Holmes threatened his school therapist's life over text messages after he stopped going to his sessions. She went to the police and showed them threats against her personal safety and the police said, "well, too bad, we're not going to arrest him until he hurts someone."

A few weeks later he hurt a lot of people in a movie theater.
 
I think when people who kill (whether it be out right murder, in self defense, when they choose to go to war) state their motivation for doing so, they're probably being earnest. I don't think they're insincere when they say it was fueled by hatred, or they thought their lives were in danger, or they thought they were fighting for good. Is it the only reason they followed through with it? No. Most sane, emotionally stable people could not be persuaded to murder even after immersing themselves into particularly edgy and radical rhetoric. There's a psychology behind things like boot camps and military training that'll enable people to survive the trauma of doing these kinds of things, and many times when the person isn't highly disassociative in the first place (think ADP, sociopath, psychopath, or they are extremely desperate) it still leads to suicide and PTSD after. Whether a person is disassociative or not probably doesn't change what made them think this was the right thing to do.

You aren't even saying anything I particularly disagree with at this point, as the psychological analysis here is quite sound and backed up by many case studies and a lot of evidence. I think our disagreement doesn't go any further past how we and the sources we've studied view a specific incident (The Columbine High Massacre) and the perpetrators opinions and political leanings.

Though until the full tapes are revealed (as only some of their writings and video footage have ever gone public) we'll both be largely operating under ignorance. They didn't have the same technology that Randy Stair did to leave his manifesto and suicide tapes in their full form for all to see on the internet.

The picture I've seen paints Harris and Klebold as having no real political affiliation other than "edgy, powerful symbols" that can include a mishmash of completely contradictory statements including "I hate racists" and "I love Hitler and the KKK".

Though in the end of things no matter the white noise surrounding it the main kernel of what they were saying the whole time is still there and is still the main motive. "We hate the world and just want it to burn and make it's inhabitants bow to us".
 
Thats the real problem for me. If someone decides to chimp out at school, youre basically a sitting duck and you have to hide and hope the faggot doesnt find you, till the police arrives.
Thats why a bproof vest is the second best thing to have, if you cant have a gun at all times.
The great thing about concealed weapons is you can conceal them even if do-gooders say you can't have them in their super-safe Gun-Free Zones. Not legally, perhaps, but I'll bet you wouldn't care if a shooter started firing at you.

No one sane ruins their life with a murder of another person. The tradeoff simply isn't worth it.

Most people murder in temporary bouts of insanity, but the ones that pre-meditate murder are truly fucked in the head. It's why we do and must punish pre-meditated murder much more harshly: these people have a much, much lower chance of rehabilitation.

Instead of these people getting help before they commit horrible acts, they usually just get prescribed SSRIs.

Did you know? James Holmes threatened his school therapist's life over text messages after he stopped going to his sessions. She went to the police and showed them threats against her personal safety and the police said, "well, too bad, we're not going to arrest him until he hurts someone."

A few weeks later he hurt a lot of people in a movie theater.

Is that true, though? We have this automatic narrative in the west that everyone who commits murder is "crazy," but I have my doubts. I think it makes us feel better by distancing the act from the rest of us. "Normal people could never do that, only crazy people." If that's true, why is the insanity defense so rarely successful in court?

I'm sympathetic with mental health professionals who are stuck in the position of trying to predict the future. We're an overly litigious society and labeling someone a danger who hasn't proven that is probably a good way to get sued.

I'm not in favor of involuntary institutionalization, or at least making that easy to achieve, because I know eventually it will be twisted and used against innocent people. I'm not sure they're an answer to this question that will please everyone. We may just have to accept we live in a world with more than zero danger.

The medication angle is an interesting one, though. A lot of these mass shooters are later revealed to have been on meds for mental problems. How likely are we to get studies exploring a possible link between their behavior and the medications? Not very.
 
Just read that the kid was watching school shooting documentaries and was being "bullied"

Autism meltdown confirmed?

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He said the alleged gunman sent him photographs of a school shooting documentary he'd been watching recently but that he never imagined he would ever commit such violence.

'I was thinking that maybe it wasn't my friend but then I had an idea it was all the documentaries he's been watching and thinking he sent me a picture on Snapchat when we were talking and it was a documentary and I was like: "There's no way he could do this! Now I'm thinking he might actually have gone through with it.'
 
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