Severe Weather outbreaks

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
Worse than that. The parts that didn't experience total slabbing experienced zero damage, not even light damage. Any damage they did experience was likely just from debris which is mental. I've never seen a tornado do something like this.
Me neither, I'm glad you posted it here. There's no transition at all from EF5 damage to the undamaged property an acre away to the right. The grass and plants immediately in the back are untouched without a hint of ground scouring or wind rowing, but what's really remarkable is that tree in front of the house.

It doesn't even have appreciable leaf loss on the branches immediately next to the EF5 damage. If you've got any of the soundings or other data prior to the tornado I'd like to check that out.
 
Me neither, I'm glad you posted it here. There's no transition at all from EF5 damage to the undamaged property an acre away to the right. The grass and plants immediately in the back are untouched without a hint of ground scouring or wind rowing, but what's really remarkable is that tree in front of the house.

It doesn't even have appreciable leaf loss on the branches immediately next to the EF5 damage. If you've got any of the soundings or other data prior to the tornado I'd like to check that out.
Yeah, that tree really stood out to me. That'll probably make an EF5 rating impossible considering what the NWS is like, but there's some extreme tree damage elsewhere and more slabbed homes, so who knows. Wind rowing was very much present it seems, however, with debris completely swept off of the foundations. The debris seemed to have been relocated towards near the center of the core judging from aerial videos, and then wind rowed very far and potentially granulated to an extent. However, someone who has surveyed for NWS Norman recently did mention that the damage he was seeing from images was possibly EF5, so that's some food for thought.

I don't have any observed soundings from the area but I could probably find some proximity soundings. I do know the environment was extremely volatile, mesoanalysis showed STP of 6-7 with some very strong instability and wind shear at that time and throughout most of the day. Not sure why the tornado threat didn't persist for very long, though.
 
Prescott Iowa got the most impressive tornado I think I've ever seen, ever.

Dekker.Vance youtube channel, 2 minute 13 second video
Reed Timmer intercepts HUGE MULTI VORTICES TORNADO that DESTROYS WINDMILL in Prescott Iowa
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kw6hXQ_7ZoI
Full Stream if anyone is interested. But holy shit. I've never seen a tornado like that ever before, ever.
Coincidentally the very first video I ever seen on YouTube was a Reed Timmer video about a multiple vortex tornado back in 2007 in Manitoba.
 
DOW RECORDED WINDSPEEDS OF 250-290MPH 44M ABOVE GROUND LEVEL INSIDE GREENFIELD. I AM NOT FUCKING JOKING.
1716395571411.png
 
Very good candidate for an EF5 Tornado for sure.
Oh for sure. NWS Des Moines is very good at surveying tornadoes, if not a bit trigger happy. Apparently a tornado they rated EF4 in 2013 was controversial because some people say it was only an EF3, so I see an EF5 rating being completely possible for this one since they aren't completely unreasonable in their surveys.
 
Yeah, that tree really stood out to me. That'll probably make an EF5 rating impossible considering what the NWS is like, but there's some extreme tree damage elsewhere and more slabbed homes, so who knows.
True. I can't see how they could argue a slabbed house with an anchored sill plate being ripped out and the washers from the bolts removed on top of it is not clear EF5 damage. Maybe the partial basement in the back increased the ability of winds to lift and loosen the plate, but still.
Wind rowing was very much present it seems, however, with debris completely swept off of the foundations.
Right, I forgot the angle we're viewing it from and was only thinking of the damage that starts in the upper left.

The debris seemed to have been relocated towards near the center of the core judging from aerial videos, and then wind rowed very far and potentially granulated to an extent. However, someone who has surveyed for NWS Norman recently did mention that the damage he was seeing from images was possibly EF5, so that's some food for thought.
I think this is why we need to monitor wind speeds as the primary method of intensity. Undercounting significant tornadoes could have serious consequences given how many people are moving into areas where these types of tornadoes can occur frequently.

I don't have any observed soundings from the area but I could probably find some proximity soundings. I do know the environment was extremely volatile, mesoanalysis showed STP of 6-7 with some very strong instability and wind shear at that time and throughout most of the day. Not sure why the tornado threat didn't persist for very long, though.
Maybe whatever caused this unusual damage pattern had a similar effect on the overall tornado threat, it's just so strange. I'll have to read up some more on the situation.
 
I think this is why we need to monitor wind speeds as the primary method of intensity.
I disagree. We should have a consistent way of measuring tornado intensity, and damage is the most consistent method. The EF scale is also considered moreso a damage scale rather than a windspeed scale, it's just that the damage is correlated to estimated windspeeds. DOWs only measure a tiny fraction of total tornadoes so we'd have to be "lucky" to have a tornado rated based off of mobile radar measurements.
The reason why we can do it for hurricanes is because they're massive and last for several days or weeks, and we have better ways to estimate their intensity, unlike tornadoes.
 
I disagree. We should have a consistent way of measuring tornado intensity, and damage is the most consistent method. The EF scale is also considered moreso a damage scale rather than a windspeed scale, it's just that the damage is correlated to estimated windspeeds. DOWs only measure a tiny fraction of total tornadoes so we'd have to be "lucky" to have a tornado rated based off of mobile radar measurements.
The reason why we can do it for hurricanes is because they're massive and last for several days or weeks, and we have better ways to estimate their intensity, unlike tornadoes.
That's a good point. It'd be impossible to get that data in a lot of cases and damage assessments avoid any measurement inaccuracy with wind speeds. Plus it could lead to people being less cautious if a tornado is weak...an EF1 can still kill you in the wrong circumstances.
 
1716475472041.png
1716475480851.png

1716475513269.png

1716475527218.png
1716475550367.png

I think we have a conclusive EF5 here. This is absolutely horrific damage only comparable to other EF5 tornadoes.
 
View attachment 6013271View attachment 6013273
View attachment 6013277
View attachment 6013278View attachment 6013280
I think we have a conclusive EF5 here. This is absolutely horrific damage only comparable to other EF5 tornadoes.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lKEo4ekistM
100% EF5. That is definitely a well-anchored foundation with bolts of that size and depth and it snapped a windmill in half! Thank God that other house had a basement even if it was exposed, it looks like it avoided a lot of debris entering the basement itself.

Unless that tree had very light-colored bark and I can't see it well, that's one of the most cleanly debarked trees I've seen in tornado damage footage. Some trees like pines can lose their bark with lower intensity winds due to the nature of the wood but that's no pine.
 
Unless that tree had very light-colored bark and I can't see it well, that's one of the most cleanly debarked trees I've seen in tornado damage footage.
I'm a bit skeptical because the limbs are still completely intact yet seemingly debarked too. However, some bark appears to still remain which may show that the tornado did in fact debark that tree. Regardless, I think the damage to the homes and especially anchor bolts is the most impressive damage. Bending anchor bolts at a 90 degree angle in a few seconds requires an incredibly strong tornado to do.
NWS Des Moines is very good at surveying and doesn't underrate, so I think an EF5 rating is not only possible, but even likely at this point.
 
I'm a bit skeptical because the limbs are still completely intact yet seemingly debarked too. However, some bark appears to still remain which may show that the tornado did in fact debark that tree. Regardless, I think the damage to the homes and especially anchor bolts is the most impressive damage. Bending anchor bolts at a 90 degree angle in a few seconds requires an incredibly strong tornado to do.
NWS Des Moines is very good at surveying and doesn't underrate, so I think an EF5 rating is not only possible, but even likely at this point.
It does depend a lot on the type of tree, some have very weak bark or branches that can snap more easily vs. others. Those young pines can be debarked with an EF3.

In any case, that foundation is what really sells me on EF5. The only more extreme damage indicators I can think of are well-anchored bolts being removed from the foundation and slabs being dislodged and swept away. The only time I've ever heard of that happening was Guin in 1974.
 
Remember how May 6th had an absolutely ridiculous parameter space, despite not many tornadoes occurring?
Saturday is back for vengeance for basically the same areas.
This time it's looking even worse.
1716484997380.png

Models are already painting an incredibly concerning picture for Oklahoma in particular, with CAPE values ranging from 5,000 to over 7,000 j/kg and a crap ton of shear/helicity to accompany it, with up to (and possibly over) 500 m2/s2 of 0-1km SRH. Subtle forcing should exist and a discrete storm mode should be maintained throughout the entire event, which would likely start around nighttime. Some uncertainties still remain, particularly regarding mid-level moisture and a strong capping inversion that the NAM is portraying, although typically the NAM shows more capping and less moisture than what's observed.
From what I've seen, chasers and meteorologists are already ruling out a linear mode for Saturday, which means that they won't congeal into a line of storms like what happened on May 6th. The only potential "failure mode" is storms not initiating to begin with, which is certainly not impossible, but it seems unlikely considering the NAM's biases.
We'll get a better picture once more models come into range, which should be around this evening.
South Kansas, and likely parts of north Texas, will also likely experience a similar threat, albeit less intense and/or less likely to occur.

But that's not all.

Sunday also looks incredibly concerning, this time over parts of the Midwest, Great Lakes and Ohio Valley, such as Indiana, south Wisconsin, Missouri, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, Arkansas, and possibly even as far back west as far eastern Oklahoma and Kansas, and as far south as north Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia. A very, very broad risk area for this day. There's much more uncertainty for this day, but models do show a very volatile environment, especially for the area, with CAPE values ranging from 3,000 to 4,000 j/kg and 0-1km SRH values ranging from 300 to possibly over 400 m2/s2. A discrete mode appears more likely, but since it's an extra day further out, and the NAM is barely in range, we're still not too certain.

The SPC has outlined an Enhanced/30% risk for significant severe weather for both of these days, with a larger Slight/15% risk in the surrounding areas.
1716485689565.png
1716485698525.png

Hopefully models aren't correct about these days, because this could lead to a seriously devastating, potentially historic, severe weather and/or tornado outbreak for the outlined regions.
 
Looking at these pictures. This has definitely got to be an EF5 here. There's no way it can't be anymore. Like how I am on edge with forest fires in Canada with it's potential to be devastating, Americans are on edge with the Tornadoes that just seem to have the potential to be extremely devastating. Might as well add Tornadoes to that list especially after Didsbury's EF4.
 
Hopefully models aren't correct about these days, because this could lead to a seriously devastating, potentially historic, severe weather and/or tornado outbreak for the outlined regions.
My local news meteorologist has been repeating how rare it is to see an enhanced risk four-five days out.

Is the caution solely because of the models? It being a holiday weekend, a lot of people could get caught out in severe weather.
 
Back
Top Bottom