Scotland Bans "Conversion Therapy"

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The Scottish Government has courted controversy with its social policy agenda: sweeping hate crime legislation, and gender recognition changes that undermine women’s rights. But what’s coming down the tracks at Holyrood looks even more troubling. In fact, the next item on the agenda could be one of the most controversial seen since devolution. Following activists’ demands, politicians’ promises and the rowing back on parallel plans by the UK government, the Scottish government is moving towards a ban on so-called ‘conversion practices’.

Some readers might take umbrage with this suggestion. Most of us agree that trying to forcibly change a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity – perhaps through pseudo-scientific quack ‘treatments’ – is wrong, and should be punished. However laws already exist to punish such actions. The plans currently being cooked up have the potential to cross the line into authoritarian enforcement of state values on Scottish people, in ways never before seen by our society.

Last year, the Scottish Government appointed an Expert Advisory Group on Ending Conversion Practices, which issued its final recommendations in October. The group, a coterie of LGBT activists and social progressives, concluded that new ‘measures of criminal law, civil law, and administrative law’ are needed in Scotland to punish ‘conversion practices’. These are defined, very broadly, as: ‘Any act, treatment, or effort…with a specific intent to change, suppress or inhibit someone’s sexual orientation, expression of sexual orientation, gender identity, and/or gender expression.’

‘Intent to cause harm’, or proof that harm has been caused, won’t be necessary under these new plans. In other words, individuals who don’t consciously try to hurt LGBT people, and don’t cause any actual hurt to LGBT people, are within scope. This is not only immediately alarming in itself, but it’s also worth asking: who, exactly, is in sight here? Parents who don’t support a child’s new ‘gender identity’? Faith leaders who cite orthodox teaching on homosexuality when asked by a gay person what the Bible says? Are we seriously talking about criminalising these people in a modern democracy?

I’ve been on the political scene in Scotland long enough to know that’s exactly what we should anticipate. I fought the Hate Crime Bill between 2020 and 2021. It was a blatant attack on free expression, decried in various corners of Scottish society. The recommendations made to ministers on conversion practices are wide open to abuse and don’t appear to take any account of competing rights and beliefs within a pluralistic society. With the Scottish government’s track record of authoritarian policies, and its need to keep up appearances with modish lobbyists, the likelihood of bad legislation is high.

Brighter minds than mine are concerned about what’s coming in this area. This week distinguished human rights lawyer Aidan O’Neill KC produced a withering legal opinion on the Expert Group’s recommendations. He warned that they ‘undoubtedly involve proposals for radical changes in the current law and a marked expansion in the powers of the State’ which make them ‘fundamentally illiberal in intent’.

‘The Scottish authorities are called upon to use the full weight of the State’s coercive powers of expropriation, incarceration and humiliation,’ he said.

Underlining just how seriously Scots stand to be affected by the Expert Group’s recommendations, O’Neill said such a change in law could ‘outlaw all and any religious pastoral care, or parental guidance, or advice or medical or other professional intervention relating to sexual orientation, expression of sexual orientation, gender identity and/or gender expression’ except that approved by the state. In doing so, it would directly affect the ‘mainstream pastoral work of churches, mosques and synagogues and temples’. An open attack on religious liberty, in other words.

The KC also raised the issue of parents, who hold well-founded concerns about a child seeking to live as the opposite sex, being punished. He believes the recommendations as they stand might ‘criminalise parents who lovingly and in good faith and in accordance with their own best judgement and conscience seek to caution their children in relation to any stated intention to embark on “gender affirmatory”/”gender transition” treatment in respect of their currently experienced discomfort or dysphoria’. This will not sit well with mums and dads who are highly concerned about transgender ideology.

Aidan O’Neill’s intervention is based on the very real concern that a ‘brave new world’ is shortly to be envisioned in Scotland; a place where parents, religious believers, and others might be threatened with criminal charges for failing to bow down to the progressive tenets of the Scottish state. A world where the articulation of heterodox views on sexuality and biology are censured and members of the public are encouraged to turn in ideological dissenters who have the ‘wrong views’ on issues of identity. We can only hope ministers won’t take Scotland down this road.


UK GC Twitter are raging today, rightly so.

For a more detailed analysis and bloody vivisection, including naming those on the "Expert Advisory Panel" (zero prizes for guessing the organisations involved):


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If your son comes up to you and says:
"Dad, I'm a girl, I'm going to the doctor's to get hrt!" and you say:
"are you sure, you're only 12, I think this is a terrible idea, at your age it can be really harmful"
your son can get you arrested under this new legislation.
It should've been "you do that and your sister gets to inherit everything because i don't pass my stuff unto eunuchs"
 
Scotland have been acting like niggers for decades, it just gets suppressed on the world news because so many mutts are "muh 1/3838296 Scottish blood". They are complete faggots and have been for all of living memory.

I mean, I knew modern-day Scotland has had its problems - Trainspotting, Glasgow Smiles, Murder Capital of Western Europe, etc. etc. I guess that's why it seems so weird to me - doesn't seem like the sort of environment that would be very hospitable to this sort of ultra-woke gender rainbow nonsense imported wholesale from the US. Unless it's a situation like in San Francisco or something where the government has been hijacked by hyper-progressive nutjobs who spend all their time trying to make misgendering a felony offense while heroin addicts die on the sidewalk literally outside their windows.

Keeping in mind that the sum total of my exposure to current-year Scotland consists of a weekend trip to Edinburgh to see the Tattoo a few years ago, and old episodes of Chewin' the Fat on YouTube. (lol)
 
I mean, I knew modern-day Scotland has had its problems - Trainspotting, Glasgow Smiles, Murder Capital of Western Europe, etc. etc. I guess that's why it seems so weird to me - doesn't seem like the sort of environment that would be very hospitable to this sort of ultra-woke gender rainbow nonsense imported wholesale from the US. Unless it's a situation like in San Francisco or something where the government has been hijacked by hyper-progressive nutjobs who spend all their time trying to make misgendering a felony offense while heroin addicts die on the sidewalk literally outside their windows.

Keeping in mind that the sum total of my exposure to current-year Scotland consists of a weekend trip to Edinburgh to see the Tattoo a few years ago, and old episodes of Chewin' the Fat on YouTube. (lol)
Yeah, you've got it.
There's lots of actual, legitimate problems, a failing education system, a failing NHS, huge rates of unemployment, alcoholism, obesity and addiction, coupled with violence, lack of opportunity and general decline in living standards.
None of this is being addressed however, just lots of virtue signalling and blaming Westminster, even for things that are completely within their control, like education and NHS Scotland, which is entirely separate from NHS England and Wales.
A lot of what's going on is a desperate bid to prove that Scotland is different from England, while sucking up to the EU, Sturgeon really, really enjoys swanning about on the world stage like she's more than just a regional leader.
The dilemma is this, though - the Tories are asleep at the wheel, and have no talent currently in the party to refresh the leadership. Labour are as bad as the SNP, and will likely bring this to the whole of the UK if/when they win the next election. The SNP have gone completely bugfuck insane, as are the Greens, and the Lib Dems are neither one thing or another. There is literally no party or person who I could legitimately feel justified voting for. It's a complete shitshow.
 
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Unless it's a situation like in San Francisco or something where the government has been hijacked by hyper-progressive nutjobs who spend all their time trying to make misgendering a felony offense while heroin addicts die on the sidewalk literally outside their windows.
This is what the Wikipedia entry for scotniggers should say. That's exactly what is happening.
There is literally no party or person who I could legitimately feel justified voting for. It's a completely shitshow.
There's only one way I would vote now. This song explains it.

 
As an American, maybe I'm just out of the loop, but Scotland is the last place on Earth I'd ever have expected to go as full-blown woke as they apparently have in recent years.

Were actual pray-away-the-gay camps and conversion therapy and such ever even a thing in the UK? I always thought that was mostly an American religious right phenomenon.
50% of American's understanding of the Scottish comes from the movie Braveheart.
The other 50% is based on Groundskeeper Willie from the Simpsons.

That leaves 0% of Americans having an understanding of what Scotland is actually like and I'd say that's a fair statement.
 
More insidious wordplay being used to change society. "Conversion therapy" is the new catch-all that the progressives want to use to make it illegal for you to do anything but go full send with your child's transition to their groomed identity, because "affirmative care" is the new standard of care. Words have meaning, words matter. Change the meaning of words and you can shape how society functions. Just look at how an unarmed boomer protest enabled by the cops is an "insurrection" and a 6'+ dude with long hair is a "woman".
 
I mean, I knew modern-day Scotland has had its problems - Trainspotting, Glasgow Smiles, Murder Capital of Western Europe, etc. etc. I guess that's why it seems so weird to me - doesn't seem like the sort of environment that would be very hospitable to this sort of ultra-woke gender rainbow nonsense imported wholesale from the US. Unless it's a situation like in San Francisco or something where the government has been hijacked by hyper-progressive nutjobs who spend all their time trying to make misgendering a felony offense while heroin addicts die on the sidewalk literally outside their windows.

Keeping in mind that the sum total of my exposure to current-year Scotland consists of a weekend trip to Edinburgh to see the Tattoo a few years ago, and old episodes of Chewin' the Fat on YouTube. (lol)
The situation isn’t grass roots organic. Scotland has been targeted, like other smaller and irrelevant countries that are associated with larger blocs in order to be a wedge to get these laws through in the countries that matter. So for example Malta was targeted and has some really progressive laws and now they’re being used as a wedge for the EU (look how progressive little Malta is! You bigots are so behind!) Scotland is the same wedge aimed at England. The Scots parliament is much easier to infiltrate than Westminster is and a LOT of money and institutional marching has been thrown at it in order to do this. They’ve exploited the current political climate of defining themselves in opposition to England as well, but make no mistake, HUGE amounts of money and pressure have gone into this. The push to do this is mainly in the Anglo sphere - small countries like NZ and Scotland are easy to subvert and can then be used as a wrecking bar to get these laws in where they really want them which is Eu, Uk and USA.
 
Good, glad to see the place of my ancestors hasnt completely lost its mind. Also with all the research coming out that trooning out greatly increases your chances of getting dementia. How stastainable is that? Let the garbage float back of the England and be done with it.
 
The situation isn’t grass roots organic. Scotland has been targeted, like other smaller and irrelevant countries that are associated with larger blocs in order to be a wedge to get these laws through in the countries that matter. So for example Malta was targeted and has some really progressive laws and now they’re being used as a wedge for the EU (look how progressive little Malta is! You bigots are so behind!) Scotland is the same wedge aimed at England. The Scots parliament is much easier to infiltrate than Westminster is and a LOT of money and institutional marching has been thrown at it in order to do this. They’ve exploited the current political climate of defining themselves in opposition to England as well, but make no mistake, HUGE amounts of money and pressure have gone into this. The push to do this is mainly in the Anglo sphere - small countries like NZ and Scotland are easy to subvert and can then be used as a wrecking bar to get these laws in where they really want them which is Eu, Uk and USA.

Ah okay. I was wondering why in recent years I'd be reading the news and out of fucking nowhere Scotland is passing some insane laws that makes Canada look moderate. Thanks for the explanation.
 
50% of American's understanding of the Scottish comes from the movie Braveheart.
The other 50% is based on Groundskeeper Willie from the Simpsons.

That leaves 0% of Americans having an understanding of what Scotland is actually like and I'd say that's a fair statement.
Yeah, lucky for them. That misconception means that there's at least someone out there that actually likes Scotland.

If it weren't for the Americans romanticizing their ancestors' homelands, nobody would have anything nice to say about Europe.
 
Good, glad to see the place of my ancestors hasnt completely lost its mind. Also with all the research coming out that trooning out greatly increases your chances of getting dementia. How stastainable is that? Let the garbage float back of the England and be done with it.
Like most of the people involved are surviving to that late in life.

I asked an Alzheimer's charity last time they came chasing me for cash what their thoughts were about that and if they planned to campaign to increase awareness about it. The horrified expressions made it easy to decide they were getting none of my cash.
 
The situation isn’t grass roots organic. Scotland has been targeted, like other smaller and irrelevant countries that are associated with larger blocs in order to be a wedge to get these laws through in the countries that matter. So for example Malta was targeted and has some really progressive laws and now they’re being used as a wedge for the EU (look how progressive little Malta is! You bigots are so behind!) Scotland is the same wedge aimed at England. The Scots parliament is much easier to infiltrate than Westminster is and a LOT of money and institutional marching has been thrown at it in order to do this. They’ve exploited the current political climate of defining themselves in opposition to England as well, but make no mistake, HUGE amounts of money and pressure have gone into this. The push to do this is mainly in the Anglo sphere - small countries like NZ and Scotland are easy to subvert and can then be used as a wrecking bar to get these laws in where they really want them which is Eu, Uk and USA.
Funny thing about Malta: it's only progressive in the gender sphere. A male can declare himself a woman and that's that, but God forbid if you are an actual woman with pregnancy complications that require a medically necessary abortion. There are no exceptions whatsoever in Maltese abortion law (only just last month did they allow medical exemptions), so if you are dying on the table they straight up let you die. But if you say you're the opposite sex, you get special treatment.
Ah okay. I was wondering why in recent years I'd be reading the news and out of fucking nowhere Scotland is passing some insane laws that makes Canada look moderate. Thanks for the explanation.
No, Canada has this exact law. It's called Bill C-6, and was enshrined into law at all levels of government. There was absolutely no debate at any chamber, because once they saw 'conversion therapy' they went ahead and banned it. This means that if you do not actively transition your child, the government can legally come and take them away and trans them for you. So kids who feel if they are the opposite sex can demand hormones and the government will be at their backs.

Scotland is a country where the dude who wrote the hate speech laws openly complained that Scotland 'had too many white people'. It was natural this shit would be pushed next.
 
50% of American's understanding of the Scottish comes from the movie Braveheart.
The other 50% is based on Groundskeeper Willie from the Simpsons.

That leaves 0% of Americans having an understanding of what Scotland is actually like and I'd say that's a fair statement.
I don't know. Groundskeeper Willie hating everyone and everything including cursing his fellow Scots for ruining his homeland seems like a good description of the modern Scotsman: constantly yelling about how terrible things are but doing nothing to fix them or just actively making them worse while not even pretending you're offering a solution.
Scotland is a country where the dude who wrote the hate speech laws openly complained that Scotland 'had too many white people'. It was natural this shit would be pushed next.
Well, you know, to quote Groundskeeper Willie: "Damn Scotsmen! They rooined Scotland!"
 
More insidious wordplay being used to change society. "Conversion therapy" is the new catch-all that the progressives want to use to make it illegal for you to do anything but go full send with your child's transition to their groomed identity, because "affirmative care" is the new standard of care. Words have meaning, words matter. Change the meaning of words and you can shape how society functions. Just look at how an unarmed boomer protest enabled by the cops is an "insurrection" and a 6'+ dude with long hair is a "woman".
I could said their so-called "affirmative care" is a form of "conversion therapy".
 
I could said their so-called "affirmative care" is a form of "conversion therapy".
A convert to [non-straight group] whether by butchery or sodomy is a true and honest member of [non-straight group], any attempt to undo or block this is worse than hitler conversion therapy.
 
"Affirmation" and LGBT propaganda is conversion therapy as we all know, but groomers keep winning.
 
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