Science Scientists turn CO2 into jet fuel - 100 bucks says this is going to turn out wildly impractical and nothing of value will come of it.

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Researchers may have found a way to reduce the environmental impact of air travel in situations when electric aircraft and alternative fuels aren’t practical. Wired reports that Oxford University scientists have successfully turned CO2 into jet fuel, raising the possibility of conventionally-powered aircraft with net zero emissions.

The technique effectively reverses the process of burning fuel by relying on the organic combustion method. The team heated a mix of citric acid, hydrogen and an iron-manganese-potassium catalyst to turn CO2 into a liquid fuel capable of powering jet aircraft.

The approach is inexpensive, uncomplicated and uses commonplace materials. It’s cheaper than processes used to turn hydrogen and water into fuel.

There are numerous challenges to bringing this to aircraft. The lab method only produced a few grams of fuel — you’d clearly need much more to support even a single flight, let alone an entire fleet. You’d need much more widespread use of carbon capture. And if you want effectively zero emissions, the capture and conversion systems would have to run on clean energy.

The researches are talking with industrial partners, though, and don’t see any major scientific hurdles. It might also be one of the most viable options for fleets. Many of them would have to replace their aircraft to go electric or switch fuel types. This conversion process would let airlines keep their existing aircraft and go carbon neutral until they’re truly ready for eco-friendly propulsion.
 
I never said they were going to run aircraft on electric batteries. I said they were going to use the electrical output of the carrier's reactor to forcibly beat CO2 molecules into splitting apart then joining up with electrolysis'd seawater to make hydrocarbon fuels. Hilariously inefficient, but if anyone could make it work, its the USN, simply because of the military benefits to a lightened logistics chain.
Sorry, my spergout about conversions and energy density wasn't directed towards you. I was referring to the last paragraph in the article.

The whole navy thing is fascinating though. It seems like one of the few circumstances where the positives could outweigh the negatives. Do you know if there was any field trials, or did it never progress beyond r&d speculation?
 
I don't believe they actually did anything with it, last I saw it mentioned as clickbait which was a while back. Just some random third-rate speculation from I believe the Daily Mail. This really isn't a new concept either since back during WW1 and the British blockade the Germans industrialized the Haber process to get ammonia for explosives out of atmospheric nitrogen. That said, the US military does a hell of a lot of high-end R&D and its thanks to them we're going to get some nifty cast, artificial beryl for various uses other than lenses for thermal sensing devices, so I would in fact expect the US military to have set up a small shop somewhere to look into if this is actually feasible since again, a carrier able to supply the whole CBG with fuel is a massive boon to operations.

Reminder that we had nuclear-powered cruisers during the Cold War because we wanted escorts that had just as much endurance as the ship they were supposed to protect. This is the same, but possibly cheaper and a much easier sell to Congress because "muh environment".
 
using the biological waste from the fleet would be more than enough to fuel all aircrafts on a Carrier. for the ships in the group, weight isnt so important there and there are ways to build a circular system with some chemicals. much more efficient than getting co2 from air to fuel synthesis.
Eh. I dunno about that. While an easier task than capturing CO2 from air and water you have all sorts of issues with shifting all that sewage around in the fleet.

And for what? Some fuel for aircraft? The DDGs use gas turbines too. Very thirsty ones. All that turd herding is probably going to net a fleet fuel deficit.
 
That said, the US military does a hell of a lot of high-end R&D and its thanks to them we're going to get some nifty cast, artificial beryl for various uses other than lenses for thermal sensing devices,
What would that be used for?
 
Considering its the next best thing to Star Trek's transparent aluminum? A lot of things. Eyeglasses, high-impact windshields for cars...
 
Everytime there's an article about sucking some resource from the air like, CO2 or water, throw it into the thrash (possible exceptions being oxygen and nitrogen). You need to pump tons of air to get any significant amount extracted from air (CO2 is fucking 0.04% of our atmosphere) and that takes way too much energy. Even though thunderf00t style of videos are really droning here's a couple videos with other projects about collecting CO2 to get other stuff. All have the same problem with horrible energy efficiency.

 
Everytime there's an article about sucking some resource from the air like, CO2 or water, throw it into the thrash (possible exceptions being oxygen and nitrogen). You need to pump tons of air to get any significant amount extracted from air (CO2 is fucking 0.04% of our atmosphere) and that takes way too much energy. Even though thunderf00t style of videos are really droning here's a couple videos with other projects about collecting CO2 to get other stuff. All have the same problem with horrible energy efficiency.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dzq9yPE5Cbohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=9dyOTdHfLNY

Yeah, it's not a good idea unless you have massive quantities of excess energy from wind or nuclear, for example, and the tech to make it efficient even in those cases is still not there yet.
 
Far more efficient to let plants use sunlight and CO2 to create sugars. By the way, do people remember that CO2 is literally plant food?
 
Got any more reading on artificial beryl? Google doesnt give me much when searching that term.
There's not a whole lot on beryl. But sapphire, another aluminum crystal, has synthetic producers all over the place (even screen protectors for your phone.
 
It was a post from our very own @BONE_Buddy where I first saw cast beryl mentioned. Might have been sapphires or rubies instead, not sure precisely what material was mentioned since its been a while. Regardless, the big thing about it was that it could be cast and molded instead of being cut, allowing for production of parts already in the desired shape and ready to be finished down instead of needing to be grown as a giant crystal then cut down to the desired shape before the finishing processes.
 
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