Scientific Racism

[Internet War Criminal]

I find it hilarious how positive racism is still an acceptable thing but it's the second you veer into negative racism suddenly you are the worst. Racism is racism is racism.

If it's scientific it isn't racist and if it's racist it isn't scientific.

Scientific facts can easily be either exploited as racist material, or derided as a result of racism though.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I'm gonna veer off a bit from genetics and still stay in the "scientific" racism but this one based on crime stats:

In 2009, based on FBI statistics they found that blacks were responsible for 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties. In New York city alone, blacks commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.

Those facts are not racist. Those are just the statistics based on arrests and reported crimes in America.

Hypothetical: I am walking alone in the street late at night. I walk past an asian man between the ages of 18-30 wearing a hoodie and I barely notice him. I walk past a black man between the ages of 18-30 wearing the exact same clothes and I'm primed ready to defend myself in case I get mugged or jumped.

Is that racism, or common sense based on the statistics? Am I assuming that because he's black he will mug me, or am I basing myself on the statistics of the most likely attacker based on my surroundings? Is that 'scientific racism', or is that common sense and I would have reacted that way toward the asian if those crime statistics applied to him instead? Should you never make assumptions based on race to the point where you might potentially put yourself in danger? Should you treat everyone as a potential attacker in case that 82 year old Irish nun is carrying a switchblade and really in need of some jameson and peppermint candies?

 

[Pikimon]

I'm gonna veer off a bit from genetics and still stay in the "scientific" racism but this one based on crime stats:

In 2009, based on FBI statistics they found that blacks were responsible for 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties. In New York city alone, blacks commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.

Those facts are not racist. Those are just the statistics based on arrests and reported crimes in America.

Hypothetical: I am walking alone in the street late at night. I walk past an asian man between the ages of 18-30 wearing a hoodie and I barely notice him. I walk past a black man between the ages of 18-30 wearing the exact same clothes and I'm primed ready to defend myself in case I get mugged or jumped.

Is that racism, or common sense based on the statistics? Am I assuming that because he's black he will mug me, or am I basing myself on the statistics of the most likely attacker based on my surroundings? Is that 'scientific racism', or is that common sense and I would have reacted that way toward the asian if those crime statistics applied to him instead? Should you never make assumptions based on race to the point where you might potentially put yourself in danger? Should you treat everyone as a potential attacker in case that 82 year old Irish nun is carrying a switchblade and really in need of some jameson and peppermint candies?

Fuck it I'll take a stab at this.


Facts:
Out of every 1000 violent crimes only 500 are reported.

• https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

Out of those 500 violent crimes 230 result in arrests.

• https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/clearances

Out of those 230 crimes 115 result in the charges being dropped due to lack of evidence or some type of police or prosecutor malpractice.

• http://www.americanbar.org/content/...al/04winter_openingstatement.authcheckdam.pdf
• http://chicagoreporter.com/charges-dismissed/

Out of those 115 charged who go to court 103 plead guilty 12 plead not guilty.

• http://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/types-cases/criminal-cases

Out of those 12 who plead guilty 4 are found not guilty.

• https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280483947_In_defense_of_unanimous_jury_verdicts_Mistrials_communication_and_strategic_voting

Out of those 111 people in prison 4 of them are later found to be falsely convicted.

• http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2014/04/28/how-many-people-are-wrongly-convicted-researchers-do-the-math/

Out of those 108 people 54 of them are black.

• http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

That doesn’t mean black people commit half the crimes it means black people commit 5% of the crimes and the additional 90% of the crimes we don’t know who commits because the criminal justice system is a failure.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Yeah and if you look at statistics most of the violent crimes who goes unreported to the police happens in poor and minority areas. It's not Madison driving her nissan leaf to starbucks in the suburbs who doesn't report the crime when someone breaks her side window and steals her iMac, it's Tyrone who got jumped by DeCroissante because fuck the police snitching is for bitches.

So those numbers are most likely higher for blacks than the reported ones. It's not like there's a wave of white violence and muggings that's going under-reported.

 

[Pikimon]

Yeah and if you look at statistics most of the violent crimes who goes unreported to the police happens in poor and minority areas.

Actually the common variable in all violent crimes is poverty in general, it's a stronger determining factor than race is:

• Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

It's not Madison driving her nissan leaf to starbucks in the suburbs who doesn't report the crime when someone breaks her side window and steals her iMac, it's Tyrone who got jumped by DeCroissante because fuck the police snitching is for bitches.

So those numbers are most likely higher for blacks than the reported ones. It's not like there's a wave of white violence and muggings that's going under-reported.

And again the statistics point a much more nuanced picture.

• Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).
  

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

Because whites usually compose a larger population than blacks in any given city or county, it is statistically more probable to be mugged or assaulted by a white individual than a black one. Not because whites are more likely to be criminals but because they are statistically a bigger portion of the population.

This doesn't however mean that we need to be afraid of every white/black guy we see in the street (since most crimes occur near or in your very own home http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=44) but it does mean that we need to take a certain level of wise caution with any given individual irregardless of race.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Because whites usually compose a larger population than blacks in any given city or county, it is statistically more probable to be mugged or assaulted by a white individual than a black one. Not because whites are more likely to be criminals but because they are statistically a bigger portion of the population.

Then explain that:

In 2009, based on FBI statistics they found that blacks were responsible for 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties. In New York city alone, blacks commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.

How am I more likely to be shot, robbed, murdered or assaulted by a white guy than a black guy in New York or the 74 other biggest counties in the country?

 

[Pikimon]

Then explain that:



How am I more likely to be shot, robbed, murdered or assaulted by a white guy than a black guy in New York or the 74 other biggest counties in the country?

I literally already explained it with my first and second post :-I

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I literally already explained it with my first and second post :-I

If 75% of muggings are done by blacks how am I more likely to be mugged by a white guy? Yeah, there are more white guys than black guys but they also commit way less muggings which means that the chances of getting mugged by a white guys are way smaller than by a black guys. Its not rocket science bro.

 

[Pikimon]

If 75% of muggings are done by blacks how am I more likely to be mugged by a white guy? Yeah, there are more white guys than black guys but they also commit way less muggings which means that the chances of getting mugged by a white guys are way smaller than by a black guys. Its not rocket science bro.

From before:

• Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).
• Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

 

[Enclave Supremacy]

My own perspective, I'm genuinely from the whitest place in England (Redcar and Cleveland, 97.6% White British) and yet the crime stats for things like anti-social behavior, violent crime and burglary are all much higher than the national average on a per-capita basis.

I wonder if the average wage being around 19k (or 24k of your American Dollars), awful schools (like mine which had 5-years of less than 50% leaving with 5 A-C grades) and rampant unemployment in a post-industrial wasteland are more of a factor than race?

 

[Internet War Criminal]

"Rates of violence" means nothing when we are discussing specific crimes with specific statistics. They might include vandalism, misdemeanor battery (like slapping someone) and shit like that. We have no idea what that metric is.

We do know the metric for muggings, that metric is that you're more likely to be mugged by a black guy than a white guy. It's just fucking simple facts how are you not getting that and just quoting statistics that mean nothing?

 

[Pikimon]

"Rates of violence" means nothing when we are discussing specific crimes with specific statistics. They might include vandalism, misdemeanor battery (like slapping someone) and shit like that. We have no idea what that metric is.

We do know the metric for muggings, that metric is that you're more likely to be mugged by a black guy than a white guy. It's just fucking simple facts how are you not getting that and just quoting statistics that mean nothing?

You keep focusing on this one crime instead of overall violent crime (which includes muggings AS IT SAYS IN THE REPORT) because you're cherrypicking shit to support your racism tbh.

It's almost as if you skimmed over my post, read none of the studies, got triggered and threw up autism all over the place.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

You keep focusing on this one crime instead of overall violent crime

Because it's the fucking hypothetical example that I used in order to discuss you reaction to that very thing and whether it's racism or not.

Why the fuck should I care about misdemeanor battery when I asked 'Should I fear more about getting mugged by a black than an asian one' when by all reported statistical measures black people are more likely to mug you than whites and whether it's racism.

How are you not getting this?

Unreported violent crime is just that, unreported so we have no fucking idea how many of them there actually are, or who commits them. What we do know for sure is that, as far as reported crimes go, you are overwhelmingly more likely to get mugged by a black than a white guy in the countries' biggest counties. So, if you are in those counties, is it racism to feel more alarmed when walking alone at night and a black guy comes your way or is it just common sense based on a statistic profile of those committing certain crimes?

Everything you said is completely irrelevant to what I said. It just feels like knee-jerk white-knighting of the noble negro by a well thinking white man who shant let it stand tbh fam.

 

[WW 635]

Socioeconomic status plays a huge role in crime rates, education level and intelligence. It really shouldn't be discounted.

 

[Pikimon]

Because it's the fucking hypothetical example that I used in order to discuss you reaction to that very thing and whether it's racism or not.

Which is included and covered in the statistics.

Why the fuck should I care about misdemeanor battery when I asked 'Should I fear more about getting mugged by a black than an asian one' when by all reported statistical measures black people are more likely to mug you than whites and whether it's racism.

Because you can't pick and choose which crimes to represent a claim with if you don't provide the full context without being statistically dishonest?

Unreported violent crime is just that, unreported so we have no fucking idea how many of them there actually are, or who commits them.

From the BJS

"Based on survey responses for the years 2006 to 2010, the BJS report estimates that 52% of all violent crimes, or an annual average of 3.38 million incidents, go unreported every year, including 211,000 sexual assaults and 507,000 aggravated assaults. From 1994 to 2010, the percentage of serious violent crime—rape or sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated assault—that was not reported to police declined from 50% to 42%.

Why do so many violent crime victims fail to report the incident? Personal issues and concerns about the criminal justice system dominated the reasons, according to the report. Asked for their most important reason for not reporting, 52% gave personal reasons, including that they “dealt with it in another way/personal matter” (34%) and “not important enough to victim to report” (18%).

Concerns about the criminal justice system itself were most important to 39%, including those who believed that the police would not or could not help (16%) and those who feared reprisal or getting the offender in trouble (13%). The share of unreported violent crimes not reported for police-related reasons has increased over the years, driven by a jump in the share of victims who believe that the police would not think the crime was important enough to address, from 5% in 2005 to 12% in 2010. Those victims who said the police would be ineffective or inefficient went from 2% in 2005 to 4% in 2010, as did those who thought the police would be biased (from 1% in 2005 to 3% in 2010)."

What we do know for sure is that, as far as reported crimes go, you are overwhelmingly more likely to get mugged by a black than a white guy in the countries' biggest counties.?

Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000). This is true down the board, the only common factor violent crime has (including mugging) is poverty. While the percentage of crime among the African American community is high, when taking into account economic levels, it matches white populations relatively neatly. However because white populations are much, much larger than black populations, The statistical fact is that you’re more likely to be a victim of a white perpetrator than a black one just because there are so many more whites in the population

Everything you said is completely irrelevant to what I said. It just feels like knee-jerk white-knighting of the noble negro by a well thinking white man who shant let it stand tbh fam.

Not white, but thanks for assuming.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Which is included and covered in the statistics.

Which are fucking irrelevant to my hypothetical question which is specifically about muggings specifically in those cities where blacks commit more crimes than whites.

Because you can't pick and choose which crimes to represent a claim with if you don't provide the full context without being statistically dishonest?

I want to bash my head against a wall. This is all obfuscation that is absolutely irrelevant to the question I asked:

In 2009, based on FBI statistics they found that blacks were responsible for 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties. In New York city alone, blacks commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.

Those facts are not racist. Those are just the statistics based on arrests and reported crimes in America.

Hypothetical: I am walking alone in the street late at night. I walk past an asian man between the ages of 18-30 wearing a hoodie and I barely notice him. I walk past a black man between the ages of 18-30 wearing the exact same clothes and I'm primed ready to defend myself in case I get mugged or jumped.

Is that racism, or common sense based on the statistics? Am I assuming that because he's black he will mug me, or am I basing myself on the statistics of the most likely attacker based on my surroundings? Is that 'scientific racism', or is that common sense and I would have reacted that way toward the asian if those crime statistics applied to him instead? Should you never make assumptions based on race to the point where you might potentially put yourself in danger? Should you treat everyone as a potential attacker in case that 82 year old Irish nun is carrying a switchblade and really in need of some jameson and peppermint candies?


Everything you are saying about unreported crime and overall rate of poverty with whites all over america re:all violent crimes has fuck all to do with what I asked and what I'm specifically discussing.

Are you doing this on purpose? How are you not getting this?

Spoiler

:autism:

 

[Male Idiot]

It is a two fold problem, caused by poverty and "gangsta" culture. I'm using the word culture in the most general sense.

When you mix poverty with a value system that approves of crime, you get criminals. Whites just don't do it as much because there is no "gangster" culture for them to nurture it even more.

 

[KingGeedorah]

Whites just don't do it as much because there is no "gangster" culture for them to nurture it even more.

Yeah man, white people never had a gangster culture that led people into a life of crime...

 

[Pikimon]

Yeah man, white people never had a gangster culture that led people into a life of crime...

Let's be more contemporary.

 

[KingGeedorah]

Let's be more contemporary.

Jay Geis grew up it looks like. It's a shame he couldn't finish his PPG comic, but collecting small arms is a close second to things I imagined him doing.