Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

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I have no interest in running an evil community like the one you kept and continue to defend.
YOU were able to do a much better job keeping minors off the community than you did. The tools were there, gamba sites use 'em, SA used 'em. You didn't and that's on you.

Again, I was not required to go to those lengths by law. The Sanctioned Suicide subreddit was freely available to everyone with no restrictions before it got suspended from Reddit, and it had the same content as the forum.

Children's Internet Protection Act (CIPA)
Enacted in 2000, CIPA requires schools and libraries receiving federal funding to use technology protection measures to block or filter internet access to visual depictions that are obscene, child pornography, or harmful to minors. The law applies to all internet access during use by minors and can be disabled for adults for lawful purposes, such as bona fide research.

Kids' Online Safety Act
This act creates an obligation for online platforms and apps to provide safeguards and tools for parents and children.

Did you even read what you quoted LOL?

CIPA is a requirement for schools and libraries, which SS is neither, and KOSA is not law. It passed in the Senate, but it hasn't passed in the house. Even if passed, KOSA still wouldn't apply to SS as the site is only for those that are over 18.

There's always a first time, innit?

I doubt that any DA would prosecute someone under an untested law unless it was 100% cut and dry. Considering that I did not assist anyone physically, there's really not much they can do, and they would likely lose.

That's their opinion, as remembered and filtered though the evil mind of an incel nigger who thinks it's good to provision depressed teens with suicide handbooks as a way of "helping them", so I don't accept your twisted logic.
You're free to ask any Alabama lawyer questions about the law if you want. I'm not asking you to believe me, but the laws surrounding this situation is pretty clear and the advice that I was given seems pretty clear.
There's legal precedent where people went to prison, for manslaughter, for providing suicidal people with suicide instructions or encouragement; see, Commonwealth v. Carter, the "texting-suicide" case, and State vs. Melchert-Dinkel, both of which you should be familiar with. (You can google them if not.) Both of those people went to prison for merely providing encouragement to CTB (Carter) or explicit instructions (Melchert-Dinkel.) They didn't have to hold the proverbial pillow to be held criminally responsible.

Those cases are under Pennsylvania and Minnesota state law, which wouldn't apply to someone that lives in Alabama. Legal precedent from other states wouldn't even apply as these cases refer to individuals that directly encouraged and coached people to die, something that I personally haven't done.
Yeah you hide between Section 230, just like you hide in your car.

The protections offered by Section 230 is probably the only reason that you're even able to use this site. It's extremely important to the internet in general because most forums or social media sites would not be able to exist without it.

Yet the idea that you can't be responsible for people committing suicide on the forum that explictly encourages them to do that, which is distinctly pro-suicide, and hands out tips to avoid users being prevented from CTB, rings hollow to me.

I hosted a platform for people to speak on. I am not responsible for what other people say and do. If site owners were responsible for everything people did on their site, there would be no social media sites, forums, or chatrooms.

The idea that I should be held personally responsible for everything people do on my website is extremely retarded.
 
Anyone who has anything against free speech does not belong on Kiwifarms
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro lolicon/shotacon.
Please have a seat over there or rethink the mental framework you've adopted from an autism forum
 
Those cases are under Pennsylvania and Minnesota state law, which wouldn't apply to someone that lives in Alabama.
I agree that you've done nothing illegal, but I think you would lose if you tried to fight extradition to a state the 'victim' lived in if some backwater hick court got all fussy about some sadsack faggot dying and wanted to shit all over the constitution to make an example of you.
 
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro lolicon/shotacon.
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro BDSM..
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro rape.
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro trans rights.
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro chinese propaganda.

All of these things are gross, and you should be judged for supporting them, but they should not be illegal to say, post, or promote - Because society is better off with these freaks outing themselves through speech. Because it's important to discuss and critique awful things, and to show examples of negative behavior. Because fiction can and should portray evil people - Even evil people doing evil things and promoting those evil things - without explicitly passing judgement, and instead leaving it for the viewer to figure out.Was Nabokov promoting the sexual abuse of a tween? Was he trying to show how easy it was to sympathize with an irredeemable villain if you only had his side of the story? A hundred years of literary interpretation have not settled on an answer, and that's why we need free speech - Even of awful things you disagree with.

I am a free speech absolutist because faggots and commies will use any restrictions on speech as a cudgel. They will claim your posting of evidence of their degeneracy is against the rules, because rules used to prevent the promotion of antisocial behavior inevitably get abused by those looking to promote said behaviors to silence their critics. "Lollita" itself falls fully into this.

Of course, I'm arguing this in response to a degenerate faggot who's trying to do exactly that, prevent people from seeing awful behavior for what it is by silencing discussion of it, so STFU and get out of our forum, our society, our living ecosystem and physical reality.
 
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro BDSM..
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro rape.
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro trans rights.
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro chinese propaganda.

All of these things are gross, and you should be judged for supporting them, but they should not be illegal to say, post, or promote - Because society is better off with these freaks outing themselves through speech. Because it's important to discuss and critique awful things, and to show examples of negative behavior. Because fiction can and should portray evil people - Even evil people doing evil things and promoting those evil things - without explicitly passing judgement, and instead leaving it for the viewer to figure out.Was Nabokov promoting the sexual abuse of a tween? Was he trying to show how easy it was to sympathize with an irredeemable villain if you only had his side of the story? A hundred years of literary interpretation have not settled on an answer, and that's why we need free speech - Even of awful things you disagree with.

I am a free speech absolutist because faggots and commies will use any restrictions on speech as a cudgel. They will claim your posting of evidence of their degeneracy is against the rules, because rules used to prevent the promotion of antisocial behavior inevitably get abused by those looking to promote said behaviors to silence their critics. "Lollita" itself falls fully into this.

Of course, I'm arguing this in response to a degenerate faggot who's trying to do exactly that, prevent people from seeing awful behavior for what it is by silencing discussion of it, so STFU and get out of our forum, our society, our living ecosystem and physical reality.
Didn't read your essay. Free speech absolutism is for retards who will permit any sort of evil to publicly flourish in exchange for securing the right to say nigger and a future for stalker children
 
Funeral Cry is such a bummer I thought I'd cheer them up so I scraped their rant thread and made em a nice word cloud. Really brightens up the debbie downer attitude.
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New York Times tracked down and verified 40 suicides of people who were SS users, posted a final farewell to the forum, and then IRL died shortly after following one or another of the techniques laid out on you guessed it - SS. That's blood on this asshole's hands. He will answer for it not to us but to God.
Call the New York Times reporting help involve us in World War 2 and World War One as well as help involve us in the war in Iraq which killed over a million people should the New York Times be held accountable for that for existing.
Also no one who's Christian works or ever will work for New York magazine you are gay for doing that.

Some of them vent, some of them post recovery tips, and some (many) of them depression circle jerk their way down the bowl to Hades. I think there's plenty of platforms for the first two and the last one should not exist, if not by free speech laws, or laws that prevent people from "helping" suicides, then from the obvious moral judgement that this is reprehensible and wrong. Like being a drug dealer or an arms dealer or a purveyor of monkey crush videos; I don't accept that consumer demand for this pro-suicide content justifies its existence.
I think plenty of things are reprehensible and wrong sites for discussing how to make drugs sites for bomb making material sites that are literally nothing but a bunch of pictures of people dying or videos of people dying watch people die but fundamentally those things are important to be protected because that's vile speech and it is the most important thing to protect from a free speech perspective.

The only thing that shouldn't be protected speech is literally treason and subversion if you're being funded by a foreign government yes you should 100% be arrested.


You're a retard with a room temp IQ if you seriously believe these things are similar (and fwiw posting bomb making instructions can still get you in trouble, see: fedposting.) You can't see how curating and guiding suicidal people to these "resources" facilitates suicide? Not to mention the community of fellow suicide-chans who will support and cheer people on to death?
Nope spend to the Supreme Court several times you can fully post an entire instructions manual on how to make high grade explosives.

Paladin press never lost a single lawsuit and only shut down after the founder had a massive heart attack maybe it was a stroke can't remember.

I find it funny that people get all up in arms about this site existing yet people say the same things about the farms neither sanctioned suicide or the farms are responsible for people committing actions in real life they make those actions on their own and they are responsible for themselves.

So I'll take people seriously about sanctioned suicide when every single New York Times journalist who advocated for the war in Iraq hangs themselves or is publicly executed for lying to the American people and leading to the death of nearly 1,000,000 people and over 5000 Americans I'm not gonna hold my breath that's never gonna happen
 
I doubt that any DA would prosecute someone under an untested law unless it was 100% cut and dry. Considering that I did not assist anyone physically, there's really not much they can do, and they would likely lose.
Spoken like a real nigger. "I haven't yet been charged so I didn't do anything illegal, and they never charged anyone under that law yet anyhow" is very thin ice on which to skate. There's already laws on the books that could get you in serious trouble, and most of the reason your chickens have yet to come back to roost is the relative obscurity of Sanctioned Suicide and the jurisdictional rat-king it presents: you have two admins, one of whom lives abroad, the site, hosted abroad, victims, many of whom lived abroad, and users inciting suicide residing in diverse unknown areas. But I don't think that these deliberate actions you took to frustrate a potential prosecution means you're innocent.

Again, I was not required to go to those lengths by law. The Sanctioned Suicide subreddit was freely available to everyone with no restrictions before it got suspended from Reddit, and it had the same content as the forum.
Says you. Fucking risky business IMO, but you're a true nigger who doesn't care until you go to booking I guess. The fact that you were assessing prospie accounts for true suicidality but not making them age-verify for real, not just a stupid lil CAPTCHA checkbox, is profoundly retarded on your part.

All of these things are gross, and you should be judged for supporting them, but they should not be illegal to say, post, or promote - Because society is better off with these freaks outing themselves through speech. Because it's important to discuss and critique awful things, and to show examples of negative behavior. Because fiction can and should portray evil people - Even evil people doing evil things and promoting those evil things - without explicitly passing judgement, and instead leaving it for the viewer to figure out.Was Nabokov promoting the sexual abuse of a tween? Was he trying to show how easy it was to sympathize with an irredeemable villain if you only had his side of the story? A hundred years of literary interpretation have not settled on an answer, and that's why we need free speech - Even of awful things you disagree with.

I am a free speech absolutist because faggots and commies will use any restrictions on speech as a cudgel. They will claim your posting of evidence of their degeneracy is against the rules, because rules used to prevent the promotion of antisocial behavior inevitably get abused by those looking to promote said behaviors to silence their critics. "Lollita" itself falls fully into this.

Of course, I'm arguing this in response to a degenerate faggot who's trying to do exactly that, prevent people from seeing awful behavior for what it is by silencing discussion of it, so STFU and get out of our forum, our society, our living ecosystem and physical reality.
I'm not really against just plain offensive content, porn content, etc. Controversial novels are not what I'm MATI about. My problem is that SS's content has notably ended with real people dead, and this is basically the purpose of the community. Acts of protected speech shouldn't result in deaths, and something's gone wrong if they do.
If you are a (((free speech absolutist))) you are inherently pro lolicon/shotacon.
Please have a seat over there or rethink the mental framework you've adopted from an autism forum
Lolicon and shotacon also seem a bridge too far for me.

You're free to ask any Alabama lawyer questions about the law if you want. I'm not asking you to believe me, but the laws surrounding this situation is pretty clear and the advice that I was given seems pretty clear.
I will. Thanks for the tip. (Though my lawfag friends already told me so.)

Those cases are under Pennsylvania and Minnesota state law,
MASSACHUSETTS and MN state law, nigger. Get it right or you look like a moron.

The protections offered by Section 230 is probably the only reason that you're even able to use this site. It's extremely important to the internet in general because most forums or social media sites would not be able to exist without it.
Yeah and I still think you're abusing Section 230 for reasons I already explained. You've deliberately avoided the fact that you curate the community so it's suicidal people making other suicidal people more suicidal, banning any users who might lighten the mood or suggest to your flock of suicidal people that their lives have potential for improvement. That's where I think the "I'm just a neutral admin, I have nothing to do with this" don't pass the sniff test.

Not for nothing: THE FUCK is your sleep schedule like? You live in central time and you post at like 4 in the morning.
Can you just go see a therapist already? You're obviously mentally ill and whatever you're doing isn't helping.
 
You've deliberately avoided the fact that you curate the community so it's suicidal people making other suicidal people more suicidal, banning any users who might lighten the mood or suggest to your flock of suicidal people that their lives have potential for improvement.
Yes if only they let folks sign up to post 'Hey cheer up buddy it'll be okay' all these lives could have been saved.
 
So we've got some random guy owning a site shitflinging with a "journalist" because said "journalist" can't stop harrassing him, even tough SS has nothing to do with any member's suicide, because for the love of god, those who offed themselves were gonna do it anyways whether said site existed, someone here (the "journalist") just needs a scapegoat, so it's either SS or kiwifarms.
Bullshit. I'm not reacting to any of the other shitflinging here because my mind isn't fully made up on this, but I can say this much so far: Of course retards, who need such a website were NOT going to off themselves. You can just, well, I wont say it, but there's very important arteries right where your hands connect to the lower arm... anybody who can't go through with that is not killing himself, except - as with guns and people killing each other - the method is convenient and dissociated (i.e. very quick). There's also lots of mentions how people have encouraged each other - it's stupid to go legalese and regulatory on this, because they all did it themselves in the end. It's even less complicated and involved as it is with troons kids or MAID - where somebody else actually mutilates or kills the willing victims, but it IS damnable and if encouragement happened, that's ought to be punished. As for just putting the information out and providing the platform: I'm undecided on that.
Maybe, in a perfect world, anything more than having a website - let's call it "Hazardous Materials" - discussing very dangerous rube goldstein contraptions and dangerous household chemicals in a faux context like accident prevention"Oh, better look out for that!", should be illegal, but that's just too far fetched. Even punishing encouragement is a slippery slope were we could end with what normal people would read as harsh insults becoming manslaughter tier court cases - not sure I'm even in on that.
MAID and troon doctors should def. be behind bars, tho. They're actually maiming and killing other people than themselves, I don't care if willing or not - should be illegal and what happens it's clearly definable without going on a witch hunt.
 
Yes if only they let folks sign up to post 'Hey cheer up buddy it'll be okay' all these lives could have been saved.
And huffing farts on SaSu is so very empowering for the mental health of people who go there, I'm sure.

It's like opposite day every day over there. The "trolls" are people giving out suicide hotline #s and telling you your life has meaning and the potential to improve, and the legitimate users tell each other to KYS constantly and talk about how awesome suicide is and how therapists, psychiatrists, support networks can't help. (The meds "never help" because they're shit on taking them consistently and SaSu would tell them it's useless anyway. The therapy can't help if you don't want to change, and SaSu encourages users not to really participate.) That kind of rumination and fatalistic thinking is a common symptom of depression, not evidence of some secret blackpill truth.

And now I'm wondering why SaSu today is demanding users give them their real IP at signup, ain't that fishy as hell. Why would they want this?

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You were required by law to keep minors from accessing your site and you didn't bother. You felt the public good of letting minors have unrestricted access to suicide manuals and suicide encouragement was more important. You reckless, negligent piece of shit
There is no foolproof way to prove everyone is 18 or older, it just isn't technlogically feasible.

Something Awful successfully gatekept minors off their forum by charging a nominal registration fee requiring the use of a credit card. That would have been easy for you to implement. Even an "unbanked" pariah site like Kiwi Farms can do this by requiring a payment in crypto.
Kiwifarms does not require payment for use lolwut? Underage termites have fallen out of the wall before plenty of times, but they are banned upon discovery (usually by self admittance).
 
And huffing farts on SaSu is so very empowering for the mental health of people who go there, I'm sure.
It looks like a community for very depressed suicidal people. It's probably an awful place for them to wallow in, but I don't understand why it chaps your ass so much that depressed people are allowed to have a place to talk to each other without risking involuntary psyche holds or being constantly bothered by anonymous randoms who just want to use them as a cumrag for their own saviour complex by giving them amazing, life-changing advice like "Maybe you should go to therapy" or "But what about the people you'll make sad if you die".

As somebody who's only read like, two pages back, you seem to be bouncing pretty quickly from complaint to complaint, from the legality, to the morality of suicide, to lack of therapeutic value of their discourse, to 'they're not requiring enough identifying information' to 'they're requiring too much identifying information', and put together like that it makes all of your complaints ring untrue, with the real problem circling back to a simple old-fashioned 'I don't agree with them and therefore I don't like that they're allowed to exist', which, yeah, is a phenomenally shortsighted attitude to come from a longstanding Kiwi Farms enjoyer.

It's really nobody's place to be telling the sadsack faggots they can't have their sadsack faggot forum.
 
Something Awful successfully gatekept minors off their forum by charging a nominal registration fee requiring the use of a credit card. That would have been easy for you to implement. Even an "unbanked" pariah site like Kiwi Farms can do this by requiring a payment in crypto.
Many ways to get crypto avoid KYC laws meaning that minors are more likely to pass age verification with crypto, not less.
And now I'm wondering why SaSu today is demanding users give them their real IP at signup, ain't that fishy as hell. Why would they want this?

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If you can't trust SaSu with your IP address then why are you asking people to trust them with their credit card information?
 
There is no foolproof way to prove everyone is 18 or older, it just isn't technlogically feasible.
Yeah I'm sure it's literally impossible, it's not like there's gamba sites that have to do this to a high degree of accuracy and a whole industry of 3rd party age verification so web businesses like gamba can operate at scale without storing a bunch of user data.
Kiwifarms does not require payment for use lolwut? Underage termites have fallen out of the wall before plenty of times, but they are banned upon discovery (usually by self admittance).
It probably wasn't intentional that SA ended up being mostly inaccessible to minors, but when Lowtax put the :tenbux: policy into place, it had the knock-on effect that you needed to possess a credit card to sign up. Which minors tend not to have.

It looks like a community for very depressed suicidal people. It's probably an awful place for them to wallow in, but I don't understand why it chaps your ass so much that depressed people are allowed to have a place to talk to each other without risking involuntary psyche holds or being constantly bothered by anonymous randoms who just want to use them as a cumrag for their own saviour complex by giving them amazing, life-changing advice like "Maybe you should go to therapy" or "But what about the people you'll make sad if you die".

As somebody who's only read like, two pages back, you seem to be bouncing pretty quickly from complaint to complaint, from the legality, to the morality of suicide, to lack of therapeutic value of their discourse, to 'they're not requiring enough identifying information' to 'they're requiring too much identifying information', and put together like that it makes all of your complaints ring untrue, with the real problem circling back to a simple old-fashioned 'I don't agree with them and therefore I don't like that they're allowed to exist', which, yeah, is a phenomenally shortsighted attitude to come from a longstanding Kiwi Farms enjoyer.

It's really nobody's place to be telling the sadsack faggots they can't have their sadsack faggot forum.
I know, it's a kaleidoscope of rotten things and I keep getting distracted by other rotten things. I am chapped about the community cause I can sympathize with SI, cause I've experienced it. It's like having tunnel vision, you're all wrapped up in your depression, the pain is overwhelming, etc. etc. and so oftentimes you try to glaze up a depressed person and they just blow you off, like an incel getting mad at his mom's advice.

What chaps my ass isn't the part where depressed people go to a depression community and post about their troubles and wallow and feel hopeless. There's plenty of communities like that, r/suicidewatch and r/depression come to mind. It's absolutely within one's 1A to vent and share dark thoughts, even if they're disturbing. The manuals, the death watches, and the provision of super specific guidance on how to CTB ("Here's the agent, here's the Amazon link, here's the ancillary stuff you'll need, and here's the dosing schedule") are IMO what sets SaSu apart from any other depression peer support community. And unfortunately, that seems to be the hill these people want to die on (bad pun.)

to 'they're not requiring enough identifying information' to 'they're requiring too much identifying information',
That's not what I was getting at when I asked why they're collecting IPs. I figure they're doing it to bounce journalists or other parties whose reasons for visiting are not wallowing and self-destruction. (Open to other explanations, I just find it very odd.)

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