Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[melo]

If it takes "no effort to find" why not show us proof that the claims were repeatedly reported, or were you saving up this claims to beat me over the head with them later?

all it took was googling "aoc robtical" just a few minutes ago. Why did you not consider the first 2 screens evidence of pedophilia?

 

[afounder]

all it took was googling "aoc robtical" just a few minutes ago. Why did you not consider the first 2 screens evidence of pedophilia?

Seemed more like trolling to me, but after you spent time digging it up and provided further evidence, you were correct for once.

 

[melo]

Seemed more like trolling to me, but after you spent time digging it up and provided further evidence, you were correct for once.

You also are the registrant of SS this year, this is in whois records for january (vokl llc). You and/or a proxy tried to hide it after I pointed it out. You repeatedly imply there were no minors on the site, and yet modded and/or kept a suicidal 17 year old as main mod on SS. They were self-described as such in the intro during the beginning of SS.

One of your main mods that you kept, for years, on .is was a very public child rape apologist and pedo, and you claim you can't figure out what is pedophilia or not when it's blatant.

I don't see how goading people to present evidence of this stuff, which was presented, does you favors. I think you just want infamy.

 

[afounder]

You also are the registrant of SS this year, you modded and/or kept a suicidal 17 year old as main mod on SS, one of your main mods was a very public child rape apologist and pedo, and you claim you can't figure out what is pedophilia or not when it's blatant. Good luck with this thread because it's already not a great hill for outsiders to see about you.

I'm glad you came out and said that this whole exercise was just to paint me in a bad light.

You have also repeated claims that I have already addressed. I didn't mod said person on SS and they weren't a "main mod" but yet you repeat the same exact claim with no evidence. You claim that I was the registrant of SS this year with nothing to back it up.

The only claim that has had merit was the one about Robtical, but he was removed months ago from .is, and this is the first time of me hearing about these allegations in the first place. They weren't "previously reported" as you are claiming. The first posts you linked were unclear and didn't really show me what you were claiming.

I'm being honest here, you're the one that's making claims that are not backed by evidence.

 

[melo]

I'm glad you came out and said that this whole exercise was just to paint me in a bad light.

You have also repeated claims that I have already addressed. I didn't mod said person on SS and they weren't a "main mod" but yet you repeat the same exact claim with no evidence. You claim that I was the registrant of SS this year with nothing to back it up.

The only claim that has had merit was the one about Robtical, but he was removed months ago from .is, and this is the first time of me hearing about these allegations in the first place. They weren't "previously reported" as you are claiming. The first posts you linked were unclear and didn't really show me what you were claiming.

I'm being honest here, you're the one that's making claims that are not backed by evidence.

Your response to almost everything is just simple denials unless faced with blatant evidence of pedophilia on your sites. Not exactly a genuis strategy. You made yourself look terrible here without me and even when I didn't post. I think you should try to work on yourself instead.

 

[afounder]

I have no idea how you think this thread is good for you. It doesn't appear to have done you any favors so far, even when I don't post. Quite the opposite. Maybe you think it's like a video game where if your friends react to posts on here and post obvious obfuscation, that you're somehow not clearly a sociopath.

You've made like 4 alts, made claims you couldn't back up. We continuous told you to put up the evidence of said claims, yet you didn't when asked.

Multiple people have blocked you because you continued to make claims without evidence and came back with another new account just to do the same thing.

Frankly, I don't really care if the thread is good or bad for me. I didn't come here for brownie points. I came here because I knew people like you would post claims without evidence and I believed people needed to know the full story instead of getting the bits and pieces that you wanted them to know.

I could say lots about you and make moral judgements, but I think that your posts speak for themselves.

 

[melo]

You've made like 4 alts, made claims you couldn't back up. We continuous told you to put up the evidence of said claims, yet you didn't when asked.

Multiple people have blocked you because you continued to make claims without evidence and came back with another new account just to do the same thing.

Frankly, I don't really care if the thread is good or bad for me. I didn't come here for brownie points. I came here because I knew people like you would post claims without evidence and I believed people needed to know the full story instead of getting the bits and pieces that you wanted them to know.

I could say lots about you and make moral judgements, but I think that your posts speak for themselves.

Bad troll is bad. Good luck because posting here seems to be doing you no favors regardless if I'm present or not.

I think you and the SS moms should stop sniping at each other and handle the situation in a court of law amongst yourselves. Best of luck to both sides, but I'm on the side of moms who lost kids on the site.

 

[afounder]

Bad troll is bad. Good luck because posting here seems to be doing you no favors regardless if I'm present or not.

Nothing I said was "trolling".

I don't really give a shit about what you think about my posts here or not. I post here because I want to post, and if some journo wants to take it and put it into their article, then so be it.

I think you and the SS moms should stop sniping at each other and handle the situation in a court of law amongst yourselves. Best of luck to both sides, but I'm on the side of moms who lost kids on the site.

Why do you think they're going the shaming route via the news media? If there was a legal path in the first place, they would have taken that.

In court, they would lose. That's why they're using the media to try to shame me and contacting law enforcement hoping that they'll do something. In some cases, such as Lee, by posting my address, picture, and direct death threats.

The fact is that the site is 100% legal and haven't broken any laws. The information on the site is available in other places and even on Wikipedia. Trying to hold me responsible for deaths that weren't my fault won't go down well in court. They know that they wouldn't prevail in a court case or get us arrested for a crime, so they resort to harassing me and Diego instead.

 

[PPEcel]

I think you and the SS moms should stop sniping at each other and handle the situation in a court of law amongst yourselves. Best of luck to both sides, but I'm on the side of moms who lost kids on the site.

The statute of limitations has already passed for almost half the moms that regularly harass @afounder. Now why is that?

There's no situation to handle.

 

[dick brain]

@melo I do not have time to go through this slapfight to piece together what exactly you're advocating.

Do you believe the site is subject to first amendment protections? If not, on what grounds?
Out of curiosity, are you American, or is your position informed by different legal and healthcare systems? Do you believe an individual has a right to die?

 

[suspended animation]

Melo has spent the past several pages moral grandstanding over incels discussing age of consent laws, meanwhile freely admitting to sexually exploiting vulnerable mentally ill women:



By his own words we can tell he does not believe these ftm are men and that he would not be attracted to them if they had mannish features (he will only sleep with them if they are pre-T.) However we all know those poor women only slept with him under the illusion that he accepted them as gay men.

But the guy that runs an online forum is supposedly the piece of shit here?!

 

[Bioniclelover]

This whole thread devolved into basically random newfags joining just to accuse @afounder over the course of dozens of pages of random shit that he may or may not have not done and how this somehow makes him literally Hitler or something. Great quality discussion you got there.

 

[Elena's Shirt]

Him Posting my address (link via whatthreewords app to avoid breaking twitter's rules on doxing):

W3W is a known location-specifying site. Surely that would still fall under "or other identifying information related to locations" - as info such as GPS is also included in the Ts & Cs

In the UK that user would also be in breach of the

Protection from Harassment Act (1997) s 1:

1 Prohibition of harassment.
(1)A person must not pursue a course of conduct—
(a)which amounts to harassment of another, and
(b)which he knows or ought to know amounts to harassment of the other.
(2)For the purposes of this section, the person whose course of conduct is in question ought to know that it amounts to harassment of another if a reasonable person in possession of the same information would think the course of conduct amounted to harassment of the other.

Along with The Computer Misuse Act

So both Twitter/X Ts & Cs and UK laws are being broken

 

[Stan]

I’m gonna be really honest mate

SS really shouldn’t exist. For awhile I felt this community (KF) was bad enough, and I don’t think you guys actually want your lolcows to die. (That would be a somber luau.) Suicide is an impulsive decision and I dare say 95% of people who choose it, shouldn’t have. Encouraging these people to buy NaNO2 and stock up on inert gas and other methods puts them one stupid, impulsive decision from death.

I hope this place got flushed and if it does I would be happy to buy the domain and gift it to an actual suicide hotline.

 

[Elena's Shirt]

I’m gonna be really honest mate

SS really shouldn’t exist. For awhile I felt this community (KF) was bad enough, and I don’t think you guys actually want your lolcows to die. (That would be a somber luau.) Suicide is an impulsive decision and I dare say 95% of people who choose it, shouldn’t have. Encouraging these people to buy NaNO2 and stock up on inert gas and other methods puts them one stupid, impulsive decision from death.

I hope this place got flushed and if it does I would be happy to buy the domain and gift it to an actual suicide hotline.

Data does not support that claim

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26653582/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4965648/

These articles show that perhaps 50% of attempts are impulsive but conversely in general impulsve attempts are carried out with less suicidal intent, so methods will be less lethal. Lethal methods either generally take more planning or the need to overcome higher levels of survival instinct; something more unlikely if intent is lower.

As long as there are not regulated right to die options websites like SS will exist and they have done since the dawn of the Internet.

 

[AnOminous]

LMAO is this really what you do all day? Digging through years of posts to find some sort of gotcha? What even is the point? Congrats you figured out that he changed his mind on something, I guess changing your opinion in light of new information is a completely alien concept to you.

I haven't changed my opinion on the specific issue of the sodium nitrite method. I'm not a fan of it. Also, this clown (who I have blocked anyway for absolute retardation) can't seem to tell the difference between discussing suicide methods and actually directly selling someone sodium nitrite with the express purpose of assisting them in committing suicide with it.

They're two different things.

It's legal to sell sodium nitrtite.

It's legal to discuss the sodium nitrite method and how to do it, and even to list potential sources of it.

It is NOT legal to sell it for the express purpose of assisting a suicide in most jurisdictions.

And if you both sell it and advocate the method, you would be muddying the waters and potentially stepping into liability. You would have a hard time claiming you didn't know why people were buying it.

It's not a difficult distinction to understand for anyone who isn't mentally retarded.

Encouraging these people to buy NaNO2 and stock up on inert gas and other methods puts them one stupid, impulsive decision from death.

Actually the only positive I can think of for that method (other than that it is relatively accessible or at least was) is that it takes several steps to carry out which would take a considerable amount of preparation and persistence. You'd easily have hours to back out of it. Anyone who actually goes through with this method intended to.

I personally think suicide should be reserved for either terminal illness or extremely painful and incurable conditions, like refractory trigeminal neuralgia, that effectively reduce quality of life to nothing.

I'd rather see a system where anyone who actually wants to end their life can seek help without immediately being involuntarily confined, with some kind of gatekeeping to avoid someone killing themselves from some treatable mental condition, especially when it's one that itself causes delusional thinking so someone is making a bad decision because their brain isn't working.

But we don't have that. We have the terrible system we have now.

And ultimately it's up to the individual. It's not like we can actually stop someone from doing it. Or talking about it, unless forcibly shutting down suicidal people's only outlet is somehow humane and not sadistic and fascist.

And what if we did? Are we going to go to every library with a copy of Derek Humphry's Final Exit and make a big bonfire? Where does this end?

 

[afounder]

I’m gonna be really honest mate

SS really shouldn’t exist. For awhile I felt this community (KF) was bad enough, and I don’t think you guys actually want your lolcows to die. (That would be a somber luau.) Suicide is an impulsive decision and I dare say 95% of people who choose it, shouldn’t have. Encouraging these people to buy NaNO2 and stock up on inert gas and other methods puts them one stupid, impulsive decision from death.

In a perfect world, SS really wouldn't need to exist, but in a world that treats the suicidal like criminals and only seeks to medicate them or involuntarily commit them against their will, it has its place. Mental health awareness is good, but the way that we treat people that have mental health problems is very bad. The stigma alone can leave you chastised and even outcasted from many friend groups or jobs. You can't be a lawyer or doctor if you have certain mental struggles or issues.

As for suicide being an "impulsive" decision. I would say that is not always the case and there's a few studies out there that say otherwise. I think some people that has come to the forum find comfort in knowing that there is a way out if things go south, so that keeps them living; Compared to a suicide hotline which have very long wait times, doesn't provide actual meaningful assistance or an open ear, or will just call law enforcement on you to get you involuntarily committed.

I hope this place got flushed and if it does I would be happy to buy the domain and gift it to an actual suicide hotline.

The site being taken down will not stop suicide in any meaningful sense, if that's what you're hoping for.

There are countless books with methods that are described on the website and people have been buying those books for years on Amazon or from any other major retailer. One could also go to Wikipedia or other sites online to find "methods". All the forum does is provide a place for people to talk and vent anonymously, which I think is infinitely more helpful than a suicide hotline alone.

While your post is well meaning and sincere, I just don't believe that shutting down the site would bring any meaningful benefits.

 

[Star Platinum]

gift it to an actual suicide hotline.

yeah because those are oh so helpful and valuable

 

[Stan]

yeah because those are oh so helpful and valuable

I mean, if you want to get better they are. If you want to die, did you really need a forum instructable to show you how to overdose on meat curing salt?

 

[Star Platinum]

I mean, if you want to get better they are. If you want to die, did you really need a forum instructable to show you how to overdose on meat curing salt?

no, they aren't. they operate like a pajeet tech support call center for mental illness.