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It really did a good job of setting up the tension and dread even before I knew what’ I was about to watch
Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.
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It's taking all my willpower to keep from screaming at this episode. Even when you look at it as a comedy, it fucking sucks. So here're my grievances in all its naked glory.
Wait, so when was Satoko able to see Rika's interactions with Hanyuu between fragments?
Whaddya mean you can't believe it? She's killed herself with a knife before, and you definitely saw it happen, stupid bitch.
Wait, what world is this again, the answer arc to Watadamashi-hen, right? Since when does Teppei know when to grovel at Satoko's feet like this? Was he actually granted that ability the last time around, or...?
Ew-ew-ew-ew
What the fuck is she talking about here? If she's talking about jumping back through time to change his prediction, that's a fat lie.
She was probably belittling Teppei to him in person, but why would you even question this? You know exactly how he lives.
Stop trying to make Teppei cute. He's not supposed to be cute.
The stupid shadow makes it look like she put on the wrong shade of eye shadow and makes her look like a hag. Fitting, but still stupid-looking.
But studying's too haaaaaard.
Oh, and it turns out apparently that was a flashback to when she had asked Mion in some other world to teach her how to shoot a gun, and she kept that up for about a year or so. Since when? You're literally pulling shit out of your ass to excuse how Satoko already knows how to handle a gun. It's similar to how in Gou they showed random shit that Satoko and Rika were somehow doing as a way to prove how well-efficient Satoko is at learning new things compared to Rika who apparently now has the same prowess while going on and on about how hard it is to get into a new school and keeping with it.
Bullshit.
No, that's bullshit because that's exactly what happens in Cotton-Drifting. You're literally making shit up just to make an excuse that despite this scene being 1:1 how it went in the sound novel, it's “not the same” because Satoko's looping. Bullshit.
I fucking knew it and I hate this. Apparently artificially inducing Mion to have Hinamizawa Syndrome is the only way for her to ever go batshit insane, even in the name of chaos. Fuck this. Satoko manipulating Shion into doing her bidding is a better turn of events than to go after your club leader just because "Tee hee no one will ever see this coming."
Also stop pushing this narrative, it's long been debunked. I don't care if this Satoko doesn't know about that, it's been proven to be false and Satoko should fucking know this by now from the multiple viewings of Rika's past.
I blame fanfiction for this. There's a famous Higurashi doujin known as the “Limit” chapter about this that tried to pull an insane Mion plot, but still couldn't commit and it was still Shion going insane and reclaiming her name. So while entertaining the thought can make for fun guesses and all, there's a reason why it's only limited to fanfiction because it breaks actual continuity.
How did Mion not realize she was stuck with a needle? Fucking bullshit.
And the worst part is all of this is going to be hand-waved away in the name of "chaos" and witches by both the writing team and the cocksucker fans. That's not clever storytelling, that's actual rape of canonical continuity just to pretend you've always had this planned out.
Wait, so when was Satoko able to see Rika's interactions with Hanyuu between fragments?
Whaddya mean you can't believe it? She's killed herself with a knife before, and you definitely saw it happen, stupid bitch.
Wait, what world is this again, the answer arc to Watadamashi-hen, right? Since when does Teppei know when to grovel at Satoko's feet like this? Was he actually granted that ability the last time around, or...?
Ew-ew-ew-ew
What the fuck is she talking about here? If she's talking about jumping back through time to change his prediction, that's a fat lie.
She was probably belittling Teppei to him in person, but why would you even question this? You know exactly how he lives.
Stop trying to make Teppei cute. He's not supposed to be cute.
The stupid shadow makes it look like she put on the wrong shade of eye shadow and makes her look like a hag. Fitting, but still stupid-looking.
But studying's too haaaaaard.
Oh, and it turns out apparently that was a flashback to when she had asked Mion in some other world to teach her how to shoot a gun, and she kept that up for about a year or so. Since when? You're literally pulling shit out of your ass to excuse how Satoko already knows how to handle a gun. It's similar to how in Gou they showed random shit that Satoko and Rika were somehow doing as a way to prove how well-efficient Satoko is at learning new things compared to Rika who apparently now has the same prowess while going on and on about how hard it is to get into a new school and keeping with it.
Bullshit.
No, that's bullshit because that's exactly what happens in Cotton-Drifting. You're literally making shit up just to make an excuse that despite this scene being 1:1 how it went in the sound novel, it's “not the same” because Satoko's looping. Bullshit.
I fucking knew it and I hate this. Apparently artificially inducing Mion to have Hinamizawa Syndrome is the only way for her to ever go batshit insane, even in the name of chaos. Fuck this. Satoko manipulating Shion into doing her bidding is a better turn of events than to go after your club leader just because "Tee hee no one will ever see this coming."
Also stop pushing this narrative, it's long been debunked. I don't care if this Satoko doesn't know about that, it's been proven to be false and Satoko should fucking know this by now from the multiple viewings of Rika's past.
I blame fanfiction for this. There's a famous Higurashi doujin known as the “Limit” chapter about this that tried to pull an insane Mion plot, but still couldn't commit and it was still Shion going insane and reclaiming her name. So while entertaining the thought can make for fun guesses and all, there's a reason why it's only limited to fanfiction because it breaks actual continuity.
How did Mion not realize she was stuck with a needle? Fucking bullshit.
And the worst part is all of this is going to be hand-waved away in the name of "chaos" and witches by both the writing team and the cocksucker fans. That's not clever storytelling, that's actual rape of canonical continuity just to pretend you've always had this planned out.
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Aren't loops supposed to have those butterfly effects in them? Or is Satoko so op that everything that can happen to convenience her does despite billion factors changing each loop. She's also shit at hiding her loops to the point Rika needs to be insane to not have noticed.
It also seems like Satoko brutalizes her friends for no real reason out of boredom. Great character building.
It also seems like Satoko brutalizes her friends for no real reason out of boredom. Great character building.
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Every timeline where Satoko killed herself after failing to open the suitcase is a timeline where she did nothing to keep the sword of plot advancement out of Rika's hands. Too bad that, since Hanyuu an hero'd, the only way for Rika to get to one of those timelines is plot convenience.
People will still swallow this up-- they already are-- because "ZOMFG!!! THIS WAS CONNECTED TO UMINEKO THE WHOLE TIME!!! RYUKISHI IS DA MASTERMIND!!!"
People will still swallow this up-- they already are-- because "ZOMFG!!! THIS WAS CONNECTED TO UMINEKO THE WHOLE TIME!!! RYUKISHI IS DA MASTERMIND!!!"
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My favorite part of the new episode was where they cut away from Satoko actually injecting Mion because they knew there was no way they could make Satoko attacking Mion from behind with a syringe in broad daylight in public look plausible.
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Someone on MAL suggested she mixed it in Mion's drink when she wasn't looking 'cause they had the same drinks, but like I don't think ingesting the Hinamizawa parasite will work the same way as injecting it into the bloodstream.
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She means that in order to bet on the right horse again, she would have to witness the horse winning and then off herself and restart for no real benefit to herself, so she uses this excuse as a way to get teppei out of the pony show.
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It sounds like she might've done it at least once before since apparently she "knew" which horse would win. Unless she's been keeping tabs on the horse track all this time, it's either a complete luck of the draw, or she had snapped back to another loop to tell Teppei which horse to bet on.
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I know people in here are talking about Sotsu, but quick question on a different subject - anyone in here have experience with the Umineko fan project? I'm trying to get it set up, but these zip files aren't unzipping like a normal multi-part. Did I just fuck something up along the line?
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Just take the installation from nyaa.si, the process for setting up Umineko Project is a pain in the ass and not worth the effort that it takes to just get it from nyaa.
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Yo, thanks a ton, I'd never heard of that website before. It's pretty great.
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God, we're only a third of the way into Sotsu...
So this is why Mion had to be forcibly injected with Hinamizawa Syndrome, so she could get mad at Keiichi for “two-timing” her because her sister is a well-known flirt teasing the two of them. She knows this, but she's being forced to twist things because reasons. This moment, of course, goes right out the window at the end of the episode, as she thinks Keiichi is being victimized by her own sister, a known flirt, when she overhears Shion talking to Keiichi on the phone about having gone into the storehouse.
But doesn't Mion canonically actually not really know anything about the true meaning behind Oyashiro's curse? Her grandmother is raising her to be the head of the family and therefore telling her all the secrets, so isn't she actually aware that the curse isn't what people believe it to be, they're just keeping face? Why would she suddenly think about tearing down the tradition just to save Keiichi?
At this point, the only in-character thing about her is that she actually was horrified she strangled her sister to death. Her zapping Oryo to death (in her sleep, no less, and yes she's dead since they showed her stop breathing after getting zapped) to get answers out of her is literally retarded given her age and medical ailments. Mion should know this. Even with her approaching level 5, she's still one of the calmest paranoids around.
Everything about this face and the way Satoko says it makes it look like she's playing a “got'cha” with Mion when it's really not. It never was. Whether anyone actually said anything about Keiichi disappearing with Shion or not, it wouldn't have actually mattered since Shion was known to be at the Festival that night anyway since she was in the area since the day before.
Who the fuck are you? Were Tomitake and Takano asking someone to borrow their car to go to the clinic or what? If they were just going to steal a truck anyway why bother asking some rando about it? And since it was mentioned they were going to the clinic, why didn't Ooishi go question Irie? Because they never made it... why?
Episode otherwise could've been interesting since for the most part it wasn't all recycled Gou footage, but it;'s still lazy and porous.
So this is why Mion had to be forcibly injected with Hinamizawa Syndrome, so she could get mad at Keiichi for “two-timing” her because her sister is a well-known flirt teasing the two of them. She knows this, but she's being forced to twist things because reasons. This moment, of course, goes right out the window at the end of the episode, as she thinks Keiichi is being victimized by her own sister, a known flirt, when she overhears Shion talking to Keiichi on the phone about having gone into the storehouse.
But doesn't Mion canonically actually not really know anything about the true meaning behind Oyashiro's curse? Her grandmother is raising her to be the head of the family and therefore telling her all the secrets, so isn't she actually aware that the curse isn't what people believe it to be, they're just keeping face? Why would she suddenly think about tearing down the tradition just to save Keiichi?
At this point, the only in-character thing about her is that she actually was horrified she strangled her sister to death. Her zapping Oryo to death (in her sleep, no less, and yes she's dead since they showed her stop breathing after getting zapped) to get answers out of her is literally retarded given her age and medical ailments. Mion should know this. Even with her approaching level 5, she's still one of the calmest paranoids around.
Everything about this face and the way Satoko says it makes it look like she's playing a “got'cha” with Mion when it's really not. It never was. Whether anyone actually said anything about Keiichi disappearing with Shion or not, it wouldn't have actually mattered since Shion was known to be at the Festival that night anyway since she was in the area since the day before.
Who the fuck are you? Were Tomitake and Takano asking someone to borrow their car to go to the clinic or what? If they were just going to steal a truck anyway why bother asking some rando about it? And since it was mentioned they were going to the clinic, why didn't Ooishi go question Irie? Because they never made it... why?
Episode otherwise could've been interesting since for the most part it wasn't all recycled Gou footage, but it;'s still lazy and porous.
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I'll admit that I wasn't expecting Shion to cry and run off when Mion confronts her in a spooky voice. Isn't she supposed to be the strong twin? What a twist!
Also do you like Rika's Watanagashi dance? Because she does the Watanagashi dance in Sotsugyou, and it looks very pretty. I hope you like it because Passione can't stop reusing it every second episode!
Also do you like Rika's Watanagashi dance? Because she does the Watanagashi dance in Sotsugyou, and it looks very pretty. I hope you like it because Passione can't stop reusing it every second episode!
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She was freaked out in Eye-Opening when Mion caught her eavesdropping outside of Oryo's bedroom the night of Watanagashi (was like 3 AM, but it was about the time when Mion learned of Tomitake and Miyo's deaths). Mion can be scary when she gets serious, Shion is just scarier due to her yandere status and that she's more susceptible to Hinamizawa Syndrome.
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I just don't get what it is all building up to. You'd think breaking Rika would just be repeating the same loops considering how hard it was to break out the first time, at most Satoko would need to fuck her over slightly at the finish line.
Instead it's just an overly elaborate series of events (that if anything are varied enough to get Rika hopeful that there's any change) and Satoko being sus as shit, pretty much yelling she knows what's going to happen.
And let's say Rika gives up, what then? Does Satoko tell her she was the one to mind break her and then offer her she'll get her out if Rika doesn't leave Himanizawa ever? What exactly binding Rika to that deal rather than break the loop and gore Satoko afterwards?
Instead it's just an overly elaborate series of events (that if anything are varied enough to get Rika hopeful that there's any change) and Satoko being sus as shit, pretty much yelling she knows what's going to happen.
And let's say Rika gives up, what then? Does Satoko tell her she was the one to mind break her and then offer her she'll get her out if Rika doesn't leave Himanizawa ever? What exactly binding Rika to that deal rather than break the loop and gore Satoko afterwards?
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it felt out of character because no one would willingly turn a weapon on a close family member like that immediately. She did nothing to warrant threatening to immediately taze her over except getting close and acting a bit spooky. She didn't even have a weapon.
Shion was pretty autistic at the end of Episode 5 of sotsu where she is now acting like a schizoid psychopath instead of an L5 crazed maniac and tazes her grandmother's throat and then demands she talk. It was pretty bad.
Was even more funny that she didn't give a shit and slept through it al the way to the brief end of the episode just like how she got jabbed in the ass by satoko with L5 in the first place and did not feel it. Must run in the family.
The fanbase seems to have a consensus that not even Ryuukishi knows what he is building up to at this point. would be neat if he commits to the umineko fanfiction and connects all of his works through featherine and the sea of fragments, but that seems to be incredibly optimistic at this point since they are literally just remaking Gou but from different POV at this point.
EDIT: found a better video to illustrate this:
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The "answer arcs" are supposed to start giving answers, but I'm just as confused as before. I have no idea where this story is going, and not in a good way. What's even the point of this? What is Ryukishi trying to say here? "Your enjoyment of Higurashi is bad and you should feel bad"?
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I'd argue its the opposite. Sotsu fails as a set of answer arcs not because it doesn't answer anything, but because the answers to all of these arcs so far is that the arcs were played completely straight with no nuance or differences from the arcs from Gou. They are less "answer arcs" and more "reiteration arcs"