Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

[raider of the lost wifi]

It never got damaged IIRC. The closest it got to being broken was in episode 8 when Lambda was trying to attack it.

Umineko no Naku Koro Ni Chiru - Featherine vs Lamdadelta

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That was the only part where anyone ever tried to attack Featherine IIRC.
I remember it being in Golden Fantasia somewhere where It was mentioned that one time, her memory device was damaged and she literally became someone else entirely. even down to her avatar/the physical level.

Maybe the Device is Featherine in a metaphorical sense? Since she is apparently so ancient she requires it to maintain her own consciousness and depends on it so much. She obviously would not die if it broke, but if the device can fundamentally change who she is on a whim, its obviously a serious weak spot and something I pity about our Beloved Pawn of our Malefactors. All that power and she's basically on life support.

Though her magic is not to be underestimated,

She's not a bad villain and glad she has a more prominent role in the Higurashi reboots than she did in Umineko as more of a side character who was "one and done" for all that talk of being the supreme ultimate witch akin to the Lovecraftian Idiot god vs a main recurring character every episode or two when she Shanghei's Satoko and Rika into her pocket dimension/sea of fragments every time they die.

She could be so much worse considering the garbage coming out these days.

 

[Idiot Asshole]

Not going to go into detail since it's just come out an hour ago but the last half of the new episode is hilariously bad.

Spoiler: Rika is lazy and dumb

 

[HexFag]

God this episode fucking sucked. I was expecting some major twist at the end or some massive revelation at the end to justify having to spend 3 out of the 15 episodes retreading, but they played it completely straight. The grainy filter, often shown in violent scenes towards the end of all the arcs, means jack-shit and Keiichi is a reliable narrator through and through and all of those scenes actually happened. This means the fucking hilarious scene where Rena loses to a fucking clock actually happened while Keiichi ended up completely fine despite literally being in a pool of his blood and getting stabbed multiple times.

I can't believe how much of Sotsu is just reused footage taken from Gou despite it only being the third episode. Do we REALLY need to see Rika dancing for the THIRD fucking time? Do we REALLY need to see the USO DA! scene again? Do we REALLY have to see all of these other reused bullshit scenes from Gou AGAIN but with Satoko doing her little shit smirk like she's fucking Light Yagami? It almost makes you wonder what the point of delaying Sotsu was in the first place. Do we really need answer arcs if the answers are THIS fucking blatant? Is there anybody really THIS dumb that didn't immediately assume that all of this shit happened as soon as Onidamashi ended? I guess Ryukishi is really dumbing it down after the shit he caught for Episode 8 of Umineko from the Japanese audience.

The ending is pure comedy gold though, it completely solidified that Rika is just as incompetent as Battler and proves that the only reason she managed to escape the loops is by complete luck and chance and nothing else. The suicide scene taught me that these little kids are made out of 99% ketchup (or that Passione doesn't know how blood works) and was just as stupid and edgy as it sounds. When Elfen Lied does a better job with bloody stupid messes, you know that you've fucked up.

Call me stupid or optimistic, but I had hoped Sotsu would at least justify Gou's existence or at lest why we had to see the same arcs again in Gou, but never would I have ever thought that it would be THIS pointless and ineffective. What is the point of Sotsu if it's just going to halfassedly rehash Gou which is already a halfassed rehash of the original series? I really do hope that the rest of the other arcs don't spend nearly as much time answering questions that even a toddler can answer already because this is just a boring waste of my time. It'll probably be more of the same though and people will still eat it up.

I'd normally spoiler post but so much of it is just reused animation from Gou that I feel no need to do so.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Literally my face watching this shit.

Literally Ryukishi's face as he watches the life drain from his creation's face as he rapes it into the ground.

How 'bout that symbolism guys. Rena's sin doesn't get forgiven because reasons.

@HexFag honestly summed it up nicely before I could finish the episode, but I also wanna add my quick thoughts. So while I still think it would've been nice to have gotten this instead of the retread from Gou, probably because we already got Gou, it's like Passione/Ryukishi didn't bother trying to keep this in Rena's point-of-view. It was going just fine until Rena is interrogating Keiichi, and it's literally a POV jump which is extremely jarring. You would think she'd see Keiichi in another light like he's turned into a demon, but no, she's still the demon. Which is stupid because we get to see her POV when she's at his house and overhears him, which is something that we really needed, but because they already fucked up prior to this, this really comes off as contrived. They then fuck up again cutting to the flashback of Keiichi approaching Rika about his concerns with Rena and narratively it doesn't make sense to cut back to that because Rena wasn't even there to hear it.

I dunno if I really can say Rika is a dumbass because she must've been under the impression it was the Demoned-Away world all over again, probably never occurred to her she needed to follow Rena around, too. But then you remember the end credits scene of the first episode with her glowy eyes bullshit, and you realize she should've known to have checked in on Rena, but didn't. It really was just sheer dumb luck she killed herself in a lulzy manner before Satoko could get to her, but even then, why'd it still take her forever to follow Rika? She didn't reach the house until it was practically after school. The hell was she doing that whole time?

I don't care that we actually got the aftermath of the arc that was relayed to Keiichi in the hospital room, Rena's POV was more important this time around and we didn't get everything. And it's still retarded Keiichi was stabbed all those times only to survive while Rena didn't. Like wut? Were both Keiichi and Rena under Hinamizawa Syndrome, or just Rena through artificial means?

To lighten the mood:

Lol Rena interrupted her dad reading his porno mag in the dark.

Hey wait a minute, Rena was mumbling to herself about saving her dad and Keiichi. If saving Keiichi was to kill him, then she didn't kill her dad in a state of paranoia? I'm serious, what was the whole deal about Rena wanting to save Keiichi if she was always going to kill him anyway for supposedly knowing she buried a body? Did Ryukishi literally forget his own script?

 

[Gensou Hadou]

So when are we getting the Isayama-esque PSA OVA where Ryukishi tells anyone who still likes this (and unfortunately, nobody outside this thread can admit that it sucks) to fuck off #NoRefunds?

 

[HexFag]

So when are we getting the Isayama-esque PSA OVA where Ryukishi tells anyone who still likes this (and unfortunately, nobody outside this thread can admit that it sucks) to fuck off #NoRefunds?

It'll be prepackaged with Ciconia Phase 2: Your Mother Sucks Cocks In Hell right after Umineko Gou finishes airing.

It really was just sheer dumb luck she killed herself in a lulzy manner before Satoko could get to her, but even then, why'd it still take her forever to follow Rika? She didn't reach the house until it was practically after school. The hell was she doing that whole time?

See this is what I was hoping Sotsu would provide. Wouldn't it be much more interesting to see all of the arcs from Satoko's crazed point of view as she tries to justify having her friends kill eachother over and over again? Maybe whatever Tataridamashi-hen's answer arc is will shed some light on that. I think most of the POV changes were just lifted from Gou to help spoonfeed the audience and help them remember. It doesn't justify it in the slightest and I still believe that it should have been Rena's POV the entire time, but it's my best guess. I really can't tell if its Ryukishi or Passione that is responsible for all the fucking spoonfeeding and handholding that this series does in comparison to the others. They both have pretty solid reasons for doing this.

Keiichi in the hospital room

I'm going to be completely honest, I forgot every one of the -damashi arcs ended with Keiichi in the hospital with somebody TELLING him what happened. I'm glad they're using that to its fullest potential by not making the events that actually happened any different than what happened in the first place.

Also this:

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I just skipped through the episode because it's the same shit I remember from a decade ago.
I only watched the last episodes of Gou, so is the point that it's basically an endless loop timeline where both Rika and Satoko are basically chasing each other through the multiverse sabotaging one another's efforts? Because it doesn't really work thematically if Satoko always fucking wins and there's no real conflict since Rika winning ends this charade. Also if the whole point is Rika "abandoing" her village shouldn't she just get out of dodge and live the rest of her life in a city?

Also one thing that always bothered me with endless loop timelines is why die in such a nasty and long way? You'd think tha by nowt if she's going to commit suicide she'd come up with a painless way of dying like poison.

 

[Shaneequa]

This is what happens when you let Yuri-fags write a Higurashi sequel.

Also, does this imply that Rena was also having an episode in the background of the original Onikakushi? Why else would she react so strongly to K1's suspicions?

 

[0x00000C1A]

Yet another episode about nothing

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

This YouTuber did a scene by scene comparison between Gou and Sotsu. One of the scenes broke continuity.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Also, does this imply that Rena was also having an episode in the background of the original Onikakushi?

If it's implying that, it kills continuity because no, Rena wasn't having an episode during Onikakushi, it was all Keiichi. Gou and Sotsu seem to rely on the same out-of-context misunderstanding that went on in the original, except now characters (who do have actual knowledge of what's going on) aren't sticking around for the full picture and instead coming to premature conclusions to kill everyone in their way because "I reject your reality and substitute my own".

https://youtube.com/watch?v=S8361P5ba7I
This YouTuber did a scene by scene comparison between Gou and Sotsu. One of the scenes broke continuity.

I fucking thought so. The scene of the shot of Satoko's reflection in Sotsu came off as a way to tell the audience "SEE SEEEEEEE IT'S ALL A TRAPPU" and it's irritating, meanwhile they completely forgot everyone's positions and timing just so they can do a "clever" reveal now that the audience knows Satoko's faking it.

Never mind that at the end of Cat-Deceiving that she revealed her hand as a looper when Rika was about to pull the same "trick" again. Which she didn't expect to begin with, she was just going through the motions. It's so manipulative.

 

[don't tred on snek]

"The Assassination of Higurashi by the Coward Ryukishi07" is finding new and creative ways to dissapoint me and my expectations weren't high to begin with

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

The mental image of Rika killing herself after Keiichi was murdered by Rena, as well as Satoko slicing herself with a knife to be with Rika makes me thankful that I can just say with confidence that the 2006-2007 versions of the anime were still the best to me.

At least they did however stay true to the source material when Rena and Keiichi were shown in cold blood trying to battle each other with sharp silverware.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

So everyone forgot the loopers change the timeline ever so slightly every time they loop?

Rika said there were some worlds that were exactly identical except for the game club, but if that's directed at me stating about the shot of Satoko's reflection, no, it's not a different loop. It's the actual loop as shown in Gou.

ending in some weird pity fest where Rena was not arrested for attempted murder for some reason

She actually was taken away by the police which is why she wasn't killed in the Hinamizawa disaster and lived with survivor's guilt well into adulthood.

 

[Antarctic Hellbeast]

Rika said there were some worlds that were exactly identical except for the game club, but if that's directed at me stating about the shot of Satoko's reflection, no, it's not a different loop. It's the actual loop as shown in Gou.


She actually was taken away by the police which is why she wasn't killed in the Hinamizawa disaster and lived with survivor's guilt well into adulthood.

nah was not a shot at you. Gou really was that bad where it was an entire season of nothing happening in each episode and then hyping it up at the very end of each episode, like something interesting is going to happen in the next episode, and then its the same bullshit as the last episode. For the entire season until at least the St. Lucia arc where Satoko literally becomes a danger to everyone around her with a sudden case of the yandere over Rika.

Was nice to see Featherine, but the whole sea of fragments thing was the only decent part of the entire thing.
Mei retcons that out btw and Rena only sees her sister because of some time travel shit. She canonically dies in the disaster according to Gou and Mei.

Had also assumed the disaster meant the open rebellion at the Dam a few decades before keiichi even moved there as what they mean by the hinamizawa disaster according to the magazines rena was tying up and Keiichi read about early on.

 

[Gensou Hadou]

Come to think of it, does Satoko mention Satoshi, like, at all? When and why did she stop caring about him?

Also, people at Passione had to animate 10 straight minutes of Satoko gruesomely disembowling Rika, on top of dealing with corona and lockdown stress and typical anime industry overwork. Would "a crime against humanity" be too exaggerated?

 

[Kiwisee]

These YuriFags are really making me miss the DEEN era of Higurashi fans, who were mostly in their own corner of the internet trying to piece the lore together (since the VNs weren’t translated yet and we legit had no clue what was really going on). The animation and art style may look dated as hell, but it’s still charming enough to give us a decent juxtaposition between cuteness and horror.

I already hated the “vegetable oil spilled on characters” style of shading when I first saw the PVs. I wasn’t able to put my finger on why exactly I disliked it, but now I can say with confidence that the expressions characters make are less dynamic than the ones DEEN gave us. There’s a reason why the Shion laughing maniacally became iconic; and Passione can’t recreate that.

Comparing the ladder scene really illustrates my point better:

I still get low key nervous for Keiichi in the 2006 version... but I don’t feel anything from Gou.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I wasn’t able to put my finger on why exactly I disliked it, but now I can say with confidence that the expressions characters make are less dynamic than the ones DEEN gave us. There’s a reason why the Shion laughing maniacally became iconic; and Passione can’t recreate that.

Comparing the ladder scene really illustrates my point better:

Most definitely. DEEN utilized actual hard shadows to accentuate the characters' decent into madness, while Passione just tosses on a filter and calls it a day. I didn't mind the ladder scene in Gou, but prolonged staring revealed it was just the equivalent of rapidly shuffling two layers back-and-forth, while DEEN's was on an obvious loop as the camera slowly zoomed in. Only real objection I have to the scene is Satsuki Yukino didn't sound like she was ever going to raise her voice, not unlike Megan Hollingshed (she was the best performance in the dub FWIW), but that's just personal preference.

 

[Shaneequa]

Seriously though, no Worldend Dominator and Rosa Musou? That song plus reading that bit of Ep2 at 3 in the morning? The anime and manga can never reproduce that.

The Umineko anime did have a rendition of Worldend Dominator but it was like 15 seconds long.

I watched the anime before reading the VN and then read the manga last, I think that's the best way to experience it, tbh. That way the anime grabs your interest with its themes and aesthetics, the VN gives u the soundtrack, and the manga spells out the answers in a way anyone can understand.

I wonder if someone could go through the manga and add "play track #" notices where a song would play in the VN

I barely remember Higurashi anime, but was Satoko always so dead set on Rika? I remember them being more like childhood friends than life partners.

Well neither of them had gone through puberty before so its not beyond the realm of possibility that they were lezzies and just never had the sexual maturity to realize it.

Kinzo's not into dudes, what the fuck is Genji freaking out about if Yasu is a boy?

Genji and Kinzo were butt-buddies during the war, thats why Ronove is so flamboyantly camp and kept hitting on Battler. I think Genji assumed that Kinzo would fuck anything regardless of their gender.

Rena is an actual fucking murderer.

There's that one console arc where she and Keiichi murder Mion cause she figured out that they (and Shion in this instance) killed Teppei. It was p brutal

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The saddest thing about the Umineko VN is that we don't see Erika with a pirate hat.