Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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Sotsu is out now. I'm going in; if the forum's still up when I do, I'll give my thoughts either as an edit to the post or a separate post.

*inhales deeply*

EDIT:
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Holy fucking shit that was garbage. I am not putting it into spoilers, I'm laying it all bare.

Here's the thing: Had Gou actually started out showing us Rena's point-of-view of what might've been Onikakushi-hen instead of stringing us along with a bait-and-switch of a remake, while I still have issues with how it was presented here, I would've been much more interested from the word "go". Giving us a bait-and-switch of Tsumihoroboshi-hen after learning the true cause of what's been going on is frustrating and perhaps insincere.

But also it's gone to further prove the character assassination is real. It's not just Satoko, either.

Quick "Lol quality" jabs here before I get into what rustled my jimmies:
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Why does Keiichi's mother only wear one earring? That's fucking gay, yo.

Let's look at Rina. Her new design is awful (not that the tube top she's known for wearing is any good, either, but I hate her hair and face here), and her new voice-actress isn't good, either. I don't know who it is, but she's real lifeless.
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Rina also isn't affiliated with Teppei here, which is why the moments leading up to her untimely demise is fucking insane and absolutely disgusting. For one thing, just like Teppei, they're trying to humanize an actual shitty character so we could feel bad for them later.
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This is the only character "development" we get, she is otherwise a literal nobody. There's no badger game, no sense of self-preservation, no other half, nothing. Why should we even care about her interaction with Rena and her father? She's legit not a threat like she was before. If anything, Sotsu is suggesting Rena's dad is just real careless about his money spending when he only spent that much money beforehand because Rina was asking for shit as part of the badger game.

So when Rina dies, she's actually an innocent victim instead of a cunt who tried to off Rena just to get her face smashed in in self-defense. Rena plotted out to kill a woman she had never met, and we're supposed to root or feel sorry for her? Doesn't matter that it's Satoko's fault for making her crazy (Satoko injects her with Hinamizawa Syndrome), and the show can try to play this off as Rena not being in her right mind all it wants, but even before she was injected, she was real suspicious of the woman her father was seeing and having a slow mental breakdown over losing her family again.

The whole point of Rena and Rina is that Rina symbolizes Rena's past coming back to haunt her. After her father was betrayed by his ex-wife, Rena just wants to keep her family small and safe. Rina was a legit threat, but Rena didn't suspect her of anything malicious until she accidentally overheard her and Teppei at the café. In Sotsu, she goes out of her way to try and confront Rina despite never having met her, and when Rina entered the café in which her friend name-dropped her in earshot, Rena doesn't even bother sticking around to hear what the woman had to say. She just decides to leave and plot to kill her.

Rina shows up at the house just to talk, and Rena lures her to the dump where she was going to kill her anyway, and freaked the fuck out when Rina entered her hideout to get out of the rain. And she pursued her in the rain to land the killing blow.

Rena is an actual fucking murderer.

Ryukishi forgot his own fucking moral.

And this is what Satoko had to say as she witnessed the entire thing:
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How does Rena killing an innocent woman make Rika stay in Hinamizawa you stupid fucking bitch?

To sum up my entire feelings on this debacle:
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And I have irrefutable proof all of this is just so Ryukishi can have his sadomasochistic yuri pairing canon:
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This is all what it comes down to in the end. It's going to be praised to hell and back just because lesbians confirmed.

God-fucking-damn it.
 
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Sotsu is out now. I'm going in; if the forum's still up when I do, I'll give my thoughts either as an edit to the post or a separate post.

*inhales deeply*

EDIT:
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Holy fucking shit that was garbage. I am not putting it into spoilers, I'm laying it all bare.

Here's the thing: Had Gou actually started out showing us Rena's point-of-view of what might've been Onikakushi-hen instead of stringing us along with a bait-and-switch of a remake, while I still have issues with how it was presented here, I would've been much more interested from the word "go". Giving us a bait-and-switch of Tsumihoroboshi-hen after learning the true cause of what's been going on is frustrating and perhaps insincere.

But also it's gone to further prove the character assassination is real. It's not just Satoko, either.

Quick "Lol quality" jabs here before I get into what rustled my jimmies:
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Why does Keiichi's mother only wear one earring? That's fucking gay, yo.

Let's look at Rina. Her new design is awful (not that the tube top she's known for wearing is any good, either, but I hate her hair and face here), and her new voice-actress isn't good, either. I don't know who it is, but she's real lifeless.
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Rina also isn't affiliated with Teppei here, which is why the moments leading up to her untimely demise is fucking insane and absolutely disgusting. For one thing, just like Teppei, they're trying to humanize an actual shitty character so we could feel bad for them later.
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This is the only character "development" we get, she is otherwise a literal nobody. There's no badger game, no sense of self-preservation, no other half, nothing. Why should we even care about her interaction with Rena and her father? She's legit not a threat like she was before. If anything, Sotsu is suggesting Rena's dad is just real careless about his money spending when he only spent that much money beforehand because Rina was asking for shit as part of the badger game.

So when Rina dies, she's actually an innocent victim instead of a cunt who tried to off Rena just to get her face smashed in in self-defense. Rena plotted out to kill a woman she had never met, and we're supposed to root or feel sorry for her? Doesn't matter that it's Satoko's fault for making her crazy (Satoko injects her with Hinamizawa Syndrome), and the show can try to play this off as Rena not being in her right mind all it wants, but even before she was injected, she was real suspicious of the woman her father was seeing and having a slow mental breakdown over losing her family again.

The whole point of Rena and Rina is that Rina symbolizes Rena's past coming back to haunt her. After her father was betrayed by his ex-wife, Rena just wants to keep her family small and safe. Rina was a legit threat, but Rena didn't suspect her of anything malicious until she accidentally overheard her and Teppei at the café. In Sotsu, she goes out of her way to try and confront Rina despite never having met her, and when Rina entered the café in which her friend name-dropped her in earshot, Rena doesn't even bother sticking around to hear what the woman had to say. She just decides to leave and plot to kill her.

Rina shows up at the house just to talk, and Rena lures her to the dump where she was going to kill her anyway, and freaked the fuck out when Rina entered her hideout to get out of the rain. And she pursued her in the rain to land the killing blow.

Rena is an actual fucking murderer.

Ryukishi forgot his own fucking moral.

And this is what Satoko had to say as she witnessed the entire thing:
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How does Rena killing an innocent woman make Rika stay in Hinamizawa you stupid fucking bitch?

To sum up my entire feelings on this debacle:
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And I have irrefutable proof all of this is just so Ryukishi can have his sadomasochistic yuri pairing canon:
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This is all what it comes down to in the end. It's going to be praised to hell and back just because lesbians confirmed.

God-fucking-damn it.
Pretty much this, I don't get why they try to whitewash the villains of the show. Also why the fuck did Rina visit Rena and wear the sluttiest outfit possible. Like holy shit, if one of the neighbors had seen her being with Rena they might have kicked the family out of the village.

I also still don't get how the time travel works. I thought it was just going to a random parallel universe, but the show seems to imply that there is only one timeline, otherwise Satoko is just brutalising some Rika she didn't meet.
 
God, the way Ryukishi makes an abuse victim evil and her abusers good is sickening.

That is, it would be if the anime community wasn't pozzed to hell and back and cared about more than just lesbians and ZOMFG THIS IS CONNECTED TO UMINEKO YOU GUYS!!! CONNECTIONS REVEALED!! RYUKISHI PLANNED THIS ALL ALONG!!!
 
God, the way Ryukishi makes an abuse victim evil and her abusers good is sickening.

That is, it would be if the anime community wasn't pozzed to hell and back and cared about more than just lesbians and ZOMFG THIS IS CONNECTED TO UMINEKO YOU GUYS!!! CONNECTIONS REVEALED!! RYUKISHI PLANNED THIS ALL ALONG!!!
It doesn't help that the justification for them turning good is that they'll wind up dead otherwise. Being kind to others solely due to self preservation is in some ways more sickening.

Taking convoluted continuity between works was once the favourite pasttime of autists. I don't know what popularized it, but I'd place my bet on fnaf.
 
Not only is Sotsu a Higurashi Kai retread, it's a Gou retread! Pretty pointless pair of two episodes especially since Sotsu is only 15 episodes instead of 24. Other than that, I have nothing to say that haven't been said already. The OP and ED are alright minus the DBZ shounen shit wtf was that. I'm really curious if the Japanese even like this or not.

In other news I'm sure nobody cares about, the Gou manga made it to Nekodamashi-hen and it's pretty different from the TV version of it. It's a shame since the art for the manga is amazing and makes the most of the new designs, but it has to be used towards Sotsu/Gou. I can't find a translated version of it anywhere so I hope you know moonrunes.
 
The OP and ED are alright
I forgot to mention it in my post, but I'm honestly not feeling the OP and ED this time around. I don't think it has anything to do with the visuals not being striking like before or the like, I think the songs just don't feel like they belong to the long line-up of Higurashi themes. Gou is trash, but the OP and EDs actually slapped even without accompanying visuals ("Irregular Entropy" is an intense song), meanwhile "Analogy" and "Missing Promise" sound lifeless. Maybe the fuller versions are better, but I haven't gone searching for them just yet because I just don't care to.
 
I never thought I'd see the day when Teppei, Rina and Takano are legitimately more sympathetic characters than Rika, Rena or Satoko but here we are.

A couple of points:
-the bit where Rena tries to choke Rina who then uses a makeshift weapon to get her off her was an obvious call back to Tsumihoroboshi/Atonement where their roles are reversed. Just to solidify that Rena and Rina are comparable people.
-Rina was literally Rina in name only, I mean @Kari Kamiya already pointed out how they carved out 90% of her character, but if they replaced her with a random woman there would have been literally no difference. Actually there would have been, because then they wouldn't be changing an already established character.
-Rina tripping, falling and lying down just to let Rena kill her was cliched trite in the extreme. Imagine doing the "girl falls down and gets murdered by the killer" horror movie routine in 2021. I'm surprised they didn't have a line where she says she twisted her ankle just to complete the cliche.
-comparing Rena here to Shion in Meakashi is very eye opening:hah: with the gulf in quality as to how their journeys are handled.
-finally, as of this week Rena is OFFICIALLY the laughing maniacal yandere that casual fans thought she was ten years ago.

I can't wait for Ryukishi07 to shovel more dirt on top of his only good work's corpse next week.
 
In other news I'm sure nobody cares about, the Gou manga made it to Nekodamashi-hen and it's pretty different from the TV version of it.
Seeing a different world where Shion actually tortured Rika like she wanted is exactly something I was hoping for in Gou, in that we'd get to see those worlds that had been previously implied. Too fucking bad Ryukishi just wanted to literally torture Rika for the lulz, continuity be damned.
 
Sotsu is out now. I'm going in; if the forum's still up when I do, I'll give my thoughts either as an edit to the post or a separate post.

*inhales deeply*

EDIT:
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Holy fucking shit that was garbage. I am not putting it into spoilers, I'm laying it all bare.

Here's the thing: Had Gou actually started out showing us Rena's point-of-view of what might've been Onikakushi-hen instead of stringing us along with a bait-and-switch of a remake, while I still have issues with how it was presented here, I would've been much more interested from the word "go". Giving us a bait-and-switch of Tsumihoroboshi-hen after learning the true cause of what's been going on is frustrating and perhaps insincere.

But also it's gone to further prove the character assassination is real. It's not just Satoko, either.

Quick "Lol quality" jabs here before I get into what rustled my jimmies:
View attachment 2308786
View attachment 2308790
Why does Keiichi's mother only wear one earring? That's fucking gay, yo.

Let's look at Rina. Her new design is awful (not that the tube top she's known for wearing is any good, either, but I hate her hair and face here), and her new voice-actress isn't good, either. I don't know who it is, but she's real lifeless.
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Rina also isn't affiliated with Teppei here, which is why the moments leading up to her untimely demise is fucking insane and absolutely disgusting. For one thing, just like Teppei, they're trying to humanize an actual shitty character so we could feel bad for them later.
View attachment 2308789
This is the only character "development" we get, she is otherwise a literal nobody. There's no badger game, no sense of self-preservation, no other half, nothing. Why should we even care about her interaction with Rena and her father? She's legit not a threat like she was before. If anything, Sotsu is suggesting Rena's dad is just real careless about his money spending when he only spent that much money beforehand because Rina was asking for shit as part of the badger game.

So when Rina dies, she's actually an innocent victim instead of a cunt who tried to off Rena just to get her face smashed in in self-defense. Rena plotted out to kill a woman she had never met, and we're supposed to root or feel sorry for her? Doesn't matter that it's Satoko's fault for making her crazy (Satoko injects her with Hinamizawa Syndrome), and the show can try to play this off as Rena not being in her right mind all it wants, but even before she was injected, she was real suspicious of the woman her father was seeing and having a slow mental breakdown over losing her family again.

The whole point of Rena and Rina is that Rina symbolizes Rena's past coming back to haunt her. After her father was betrayed by his ex-wife, Rena just wants to keep her family small and safe. Rina was a legit threat, but Rena didn't suspect her of anything malicious until she accidentally overheard her and Teppei at the café. In Sotsu, she goes out of her way to try and confront Rina despite never having met her, and when Rina entered the café in which her friend name-dropped her in earshot, Rena doesn't even bother sticking around to hear what the woman had to say. She just decides to leave and plot to kill her.

Rina shows up at the house just to talk, and Rena lures her to the dump where she was going to kill her anyway, and freaked the fuck out when Rina entered her hideout to get out of the rain. And she pursued her in the rain to land the killing blow.

Rena is an actual fucking murderer.

Ryukishi forgot his own fucking moral.

And this is what Satoko had to say as she witnessed the entire thing:
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How does Rena killing an innocent woman make Rika stay in Hinamizawa you stupid fucking bitch?

To sum up my entire feelings on this debacle:
View attachment 2308791

And I have irrefutable proof all of this is just so Ryukishi can have his sadomasochistic yuri pairing canon:
View attachment 2308891
This is all what it comes down to in the end. It's going to be praised to hell and back just because lesbians confirmed.

God-fucking-damn it.
Thanks, I'm NEVER GOING TO VIEW "Sotsu". I know DEEN's animation, especially in "Umineko's" titty jiggling at a table randomly wasn't the best but goddamn!
Rika x Satoko wasn't going to be sadomasochistic until Ryukishi made Satoko evil so she could be Lambdadelta. Actually, I think Ryukishi made Satoko evil and Lambdadelta because that would pair her with Rika Bernkastel.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bern/Lambadelta's relationship was also sadomasochistic before in Umineko.
 
It is, but Lambadelta is supposed to represent Takano, not Satoko.
I know that completely...and a candy bowl (Sadly read TVTROPES.ORG)

I just don't get Satoko replacing Takano as she has another expy in Rose Gun Days....Ryuukishi007 must be high on drugs or farts fumes since Satoko would've used the Witch Powers to save Satoshi/herself....not coerce Rika? Why didn't Ryuukishi007 make Satoko a Witch....despite her having no connection to Oyashiro-Sama/Hanyuu?!
.....another Kiwi stated it would mean a redesign for Lambda...and they have little in common despite marginal looks and smugness.
 
Jesus Rina got butchered in more ways than one, what the fuck was that? You're not supposed to sympathize with this bitch or Teppei. Let shitty characters be shitty. Plus way to turn Rena into a typical crazy killer.

Ryukishi is pushing the Bern/Lambda parallels so hard it's painful. Takano may as well not exist anymore.
 

After it’s all said and done, even on the second episode, this fan watched it and now likes Rena.

Even while spelling her name wrong in the title :story:
 
I know that completely...and a candy bowl (Sadly read TVTROPES.ORG)

I just don't get Satoko replacing Takano as she has another expy in Rose Gun Days....Ryuukishi007 must be high on drugs or farts fumes since Satoko would've used the Witch Powers to save Satoshi/herself....not coerce Rika? Why didn't Ryuukishi007 make Satoko a Witch....despite her having no connection to Oyashiro-Sama/Hanyuu?!
.....another Kiwi stated it would mean a redesign for Lambda...and they have little in common despite marginal looks and smugness.

They had a pretty good villain with Takano. Maybe they will have Featherine be the new villain going from the OP of Gou?

Found it interesting that Her design reminds me of a Hellspawn from Spawn with that ringed device looking like the front horns of this and her obvious gigantism towering over any people she meets with that creepy smile in the OP of Gou and the fact that these creatures can also assume human form, a minor inconvenience at worst im sure for Featherine.:
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I wonder if Ryukishi was a fan of "Spawn" and found a way to have a fan reference to it since it did predate Higurashi by about a decade.


I like Sotsu so far since it actually has a moving plot compared to Gou. Despite it being mostly a retelling of the original story so far.

Still found it hilarious how someone is able to sleep through being injected by a needle and have more than enough time for said person to have a fucking monologue and not even have to worry about disposing of the syringe, just throw that shit in the room's trash can right where anyone can see it and walk out. :story:
 
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tfw when the loli yuri guro episode dub is superior because Satoko's english va doesn't sound like a fucking pack a day smoker with a tracheotomy.
I have no idea what's wrong with Mika Kanai, if she actually is a smoker well into her 50s and it shows, or if she's actually super uninterested in being Satoko (or is uninterested in this iteration of Satoko) and is just phoning it in. 'Cause she used to sound cute--and still kinda can because she's actually the official voice of Eevee in Japanese.

Maybe the toll of voice-acting is getting to her. She's been in the industry for about thirty years now (maybe earlier, but I think the earliest roles she's had were all in 1992).
 
I have no idea what's wrong with Mika Kanai, if she actually is a smoker well into her 50s and it shows, or if she's actually super uninterested in being Satoko (or is uninterested in this iteration of Satoko) and is just phoning it in. 'Cause she used to sound cute--and still kinda can because she's actually the official voice of Eevee in Japanese.

Maybe the toll of voice-acting is getting to her. She's been in the industry for about thirty years now (maybe earlier, but I think the earliest roles she's had were all in 1992).
She have a lot of screaming roles? That'll fuck your voice up.
 
Did they ever show what happened when Featherine's horn device got damaged? I remember reading that she changed forms because of it and basically her entire previous identity was erased.
 
Did they ever show what happened when Featherine's horn device got damaged? I remember reading that she changed forms because of it and basically her entire previous identity was erased.
It never got damaged IIRC. The closest it got to being broken was in episode 8 when Lambda was trying to attack it.
 
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