Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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Irotoutoshi-hen (the final Reiwa arc) starts June 20.
 
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Very late: Against just about everyone's input, I watched all of Higurashi: Gou because it was a very rainy day. Man, did that go from "Huh, this could maybe be something" to a big disappointing nothing-burger.

I then had hope because I read old posts indicating that the manga continuation started off promising, but judging from the thread it follows the same path.

It's weird - I feel like once you have readers/watchers "invested" in the core aspect of Higurashi, it'd be very easy to produce stories that would satisfy them: Just make the loops interesting. Make people wonder which domino will be first to fall and why. Keep the ending as it is, just pretend these loops happened before - but it never uses that potential and either completely rehashes the old plots to little effect or goes bonkers off the pretty well established rails, like a bipolar choo choo train.
 
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Bloitzhole said:
Very late: Against just about everyone's input, I watched all of Higurashi: Gou because it was a very rainy day. Man, did that go from "Huh, this could maybe be something" to a big disappointing nothing-burger.

I then had hope because I read old posts indicating that the manga continuation started off promising, but judging from the thread it follows the same path.

It's weird - I feel like once you have readers/watchers "invested" in the core aspect of Higurashi, it'd be very easy to produce stories that would satisfy them: Just make the loops interesting. Make people wonder which domino will be first to fall and why. Keep the ending as it is, just pretend these loops happened before - but it never uses that potential and either completely rehashes the old plots to little effect or goes bonkers off the pretty well established rails, like a bipolar choo choo train.
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Its "onikakushi hen: the anime." You think the plot is going to go somewhere at the end of each episode like they set up. Then it just retells the exact same arc from different perspectives for the whole season.
 
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Hey, rate this autistic in advance but....

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Okay, every time I see that red shirt/green shorts combo Keiichi wears, I swear Keiichi looks just like some other anime/manga/video game character but... I can't place it. My first guesses were Josh from Advance Wars or Chris Thorndyke from Sonic X, but neither are that close a match.

Can someone help me find who my mind wants to compare Keiichi to? Its really kinda bugging me.
 
In all fairness, Keiichi didn't get a sprite until a couple years later with Meakashi-hen in late-2004. Ryukishi probably scrambled to put a design together and came up with Generic Anime Look--which tbh Keiichi had always come off as your typical Generic Anime Protagonist if he was thrown into a murder-mystery plot.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
In all fairness, Keiichi didn't get a sprite until a couple years later with Meakashi-hen in late-2004. Ryukishi probably scrambled to put a design together and came up with Generic Anime Look--which tbh Keiichi had always come off as your typical Generic Anime Protagonist if he was thrown into a murder-mystery plot.
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Yeah, this is probably a lot of the reason I hate Keiichi. Most anime protagonists are some sort of author insert fantasy, but with Keiichi it feels especially over the top and unearned somehow, especially since a lot of what he does in this franchise is just retarded and yet we're supposed to think he's Super Special Awesome.

On that note, one story part I've come to hate is the whole Satoko Abuse thing in the second anime. I've had so many arguments about that, and have come to the uncomfortable realization that most fans don't seem to question the logical or philosophical premises of their favorite fiction at all.

So Satoko is being abused and CPS can't do anything because Satoko won't admit. Keiichi's answer is.... get a bunch of people to swarm with him to their offices to "show how much they care." When that fails, he rallies MORE people....

And like.... this is retarded. Because the problem isn't that CPS doesn't realize how much you care, the problem is Satoko won't admit to the abuse because she's scared of Teppei. Indeed the story proves my point for me: the final turn around comes when Rika finally convinces Satoko to stand up for herself. Satoko, up to this point, didn't even know of the efforts being undertaken on her behalf.

And nobody but me seems to see the issue with this. It's maddening.

And of course, whenever I suggest an alternative way the story could have played out (maybe they find some clever way to get Teppei arrested for some other charge--he's already being saught by the police in this chapter)... or hell, even just act like you're gonna kill the guy even if you have zero intention of following through with it.

But for some reason fans are always like "those would never work!" Even though this arc has Keiichi threatening to kill that old mafia woman (and also has him blatantly insult people, but this being anime this somehow gets people on his side rather than turning them against him).

Probably my favorite comeback is people saying "Wow, you must think child abuse is easy to solve." Its like wow, you guys must think rallying an entire town is easy to do, by that logic. But god the fans of this franchise are retarded.

Sorry for the sperg. I shall accept my autistic ratings.
 
Higurashi Hou "Origin" released today. The discord trannies are probably hard at work translating it if they haven't already.
 
Partway through rereading episode 2 and it's... interesting.
I feel like people unironically stopped thinking once Ryukishi shoved Shkanontrice down our throats as The Solution(tm). Reading through some of this, especially the opening hours of ep2, without just going "oh lol it all just means Shkanontrice, it's been decided already" I come to a few... interesting conclusions. Like I unironically think the solution was originally a bit different and then it got changed at some point to the clusterfuck we all know and love today. I was going to sperg out about this a bit but I don't feel like being that autistic and also I'm lazy. I'll be very interested to see how the episode 2 stageplay is handled- depending on if anything's changed it could be very telling.
 
Here's where you can read the first three chapters of Irotoushi-hen. I thought the first two were good in a way that effectively ruined the first two arcs; why didn't Rika contact the whole club the first time?

Also, the next Meguri chapter has been delayed by two weeks. I'm not sure it's going to be worth the wait.
 
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Here's where you can read the first three chapters of Irotoushi-hen. I thought the first two were good in a way that effectively ruined the first two arcs; why didn't Rika contact the whole club the first time?

Also, the next Meguri chapter has been delayed by two weeks. I'm not sure it's going to be worth the wait.
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So why is Adult Rika being a melodramatic munchie bitch again? She's done nothing but sit in a hospital bed and drown herself in self pity the whole time.
 
So I had a question about Higurashi again:

Why does Rena carry around that huge cleaver, even in arcs where she doesn't go murder-crazy? Is it somehow related to her love of exploring junkyards? Or is this a case where Ryukishi just thought it would be cool/cute for his girl to carry around a weapon and didn't actually put much thought into it?

Got to discussing it with fans again and this is another thing that feels weird to me (and why have I not gotten downvotes despite showing I'm sorta autistically obsessed with an anime I hate)?.... all the mains are written almost like Shonen protagonists, being great fighters or having some impossible skills (Satoko's traps for example) and yet their life struggles are supposed to be believable and down to Earth. It really does give me that feeling of the kind of writing you get from teens who just do whatever they think is cool without really thinking more about it.
 
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Why does Rena carry around that huge cleaver, even in arcs where she doesn't go murder-crazy? Is it somehow related to her love of exploring junkyards?
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Pretty much. It's always uncovered because Rena lost the cover. In the VN, Keiichi even points out that Rena's probably the only person who could walk around with an uncovered nata and not look suspicious.
 
skykiii said:
It really does give me that feeling of the kind of writing you get from teens who just do whatever they think is cool without really thinking more about it.
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That is a pretty good description of a good chunk of Ryukishi's writing, yeah.
 
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