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Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.
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phase 2 never
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My problem though is.... it serves no purpose. Its just two or three episodes of uncomfortable content just for the sake of wrangling a cheap reaction out of the audience. Very Stephen King-esque in that regard.
It doesn't help that Fem-Dictator (as I will call her) feels like the writer was trying really hard to make her sympathetic or give her pathos and thus just piled on all the shit he could, to the point where it goes too far and gets laughable. Child abuse, daddy issues, Umbrella-esque immoral science.... and possibly even having caught the Magical Crazy Disease!
At that point, they might as well have said she was raped by eleven boys in a sewer, her best friend was killed by a magical clown, her favorite kitten was eaten by a man from Hinamizawa, she's possessed by Satan, and everything she did was at the orders of her neighbor's dog.
Considering that she basically acts like a standard cartoon supervillain by the end anyway, it would've been perfectly okay to have her be exactly that: just someone who was born psycho... or hell just go with ONE of her possible motives, not pile them all up!
I mean maybe they flesh it out a bit, but it honestly just always sounds to me like those are a longer version of a story that just isn't that good in the first place. I'm feeling like ryukishi07 just isn't a great writer--and that the Japanese way is to pad things to hell and back isn't helping.
Ryukishi sure isn't that intelligent. One of the videos a fan showed me was this one which was his commentary on the chapter with the Satoko abuse and the rallying the entire town... and I dunno, maybe its just badly translated, but to me it reads like he really has nothing to impart and falls back on empty, repetitive pleading. Indeed I almost feel like even he isn't sold on his own glurge and internally probably is thinking "yeah actually murder and suicide probably are the right solution, but I can't just say that so I'll make the token attempt."
Like, I can't imagine my issues with Higurashi would just evaporate if I had gone with the more fully fleshed out versions, especially if a lot of the problems still exist. If anything it would probably just piss me off more that I spent more time.
Higurashi also has the same problem a lot of anime do where its really only interesting the first time, when you're hooked by the mystery and having fun speculating and theorizing and headcanoning.... but now I know, and knowing is half the burnout. A rewatch (or going thru in a different medium) seems to me like it would be just waiting for moments to happen, or literally just to learn more lore....
.... But really once the mystery is solved, who fucking cares? These characters are all generic anime archetypes (to the point where Keiichi even dresses like several other anime/video game characters... he even kinda looks like Chris Thorndyke...) with nothing to make them stand out on their own merits or make them people you would want to follow.... and the actual situation presented in the story is, again, actually kinda boring once its explained.
There's just nothing for me to latch onto here. The cast of Lucky Star are likable and distinct enough that I care to hear their meandering conversations. The UFO or Ghost episodes of Unsolved Mysteries present enough intrigue that I might want to research the cases after the episode is over. The situations of Ranma 1/2 are fun enough that I come back and rewatch them occasionally and Rumiko Takahashi can actually write likable characters. Danganronpa had a lot of meat despite being sort of an autistc franchise (or even perhaps because of its autism) although all the spinoffs managed to damper that somewhat.
(I actually almost wrote a thing here comparing Higurashi to Danganronpa but decided against, as this post is already too long).
Higurashi?..... has the initial shock factor and that's it.
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I've been skimming though some Umineko gameplay myself recently to inform my schizo alternative solution theory (my deep dark secret is that I only ever read the manga and that I ragequit around arc 6 because it just got too retarded) and holy fucking shit Ryukishi cannot write prose to save his fucking ass. It's not even that it's too bloated, it's that he can't seem to put those more words than the Bible to good use- he has a big show-don't-tell problem. Like, he'll inform us that "character x looked like they were thinking specific thing y" which is already absurd because you can look pensive or annoyed but you can hardly *look* like you're thinking a specific thing- why not give the character a line of internal monologue, or have them act in a way that demonstrates what they're thinking? You could even use more words that way!
Then despite babbling on about useless shit for paragraphs at some points he becomes oddly terse at others- like I think it was the episode 3 first twilight, you just get like one or two sentences for the crime scenes, which are supposed to be extremely important (and he forgot the boiler room had another door that can't be locked, maybe he woulda remembered to deal with that if he'd actually out the scenes into words). And multiple times he's just said that a character said something without actually writing out their dialogue. It annoys me. He'll just say abstract subjective shit like "Battler had such a pure heart" instead of actually doing something to demonstrate it... He fucks with the narration, switching from first person to third person just randomly. My favorite moment of this I've caught is in ep1 when the cousins are all waking up- Battler starts narrating in first person despite being fast asleep, then a few sentences later it's back to third person.
Point is, dude needs a fucking editor.
Then despite babbling on about useless shit for paragraphs at some points he becomes oddly terse at others- like I think it was the episode 3 first twilight, you just get like one or two sentences for the crime scenes, which are supposed to be extremely important (and he forgot the boiler room had another door that can't be locked, maybe he woulda remembered to deal with that if he'd actually out the scenes into words). And multiple times he's just said that a character said something without actually writing out their dialogue. It annoys me. He'll just say abstract subjective shit like "Battler had such a pure heart" instead of actually doing something to demonstrate it... He fucks with the narration, switching from first person to third person just randomly. My favorite moment of this I've caught is in ep1 when the cousins are all waking up- Battler starts narrating in first person despite being fast asleep, then a few sentences later it's back to third person.
Point is, dude needs a fucking editor.
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"Bay-ah-tree-chay" is the Italian pronunciation of the name.
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Did anyone ever participate in that "I tried to sing (you)" event Ryukishi hosted?
@Horribadger
IIRC he was rejected by whatever japanese playwright agencies he applied to for that very reason before writing higurashi with several iterations. He still rambles for paragraphs and never gets to the point.
The retarded fandom of discordniggers and redditors doesn't help either. There is no discussion with these test tube grown hivemind freaks. There is only the random permaban.
@Horribadger
IIRC he was rejected by whatever japanese playwright agencies he applied to for that very reason before writing higurashi with several iterations. He still rambles for paragraphs and never gets to the point.
The retarded fandom of discordniggers and redditors doesn't help either. There is no discussion with these test tube grown hivemind freaks. There is only the random permaban.
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You go on Ryukishi's wikipedia page and like the first thing it says is this:
Which is just astoundingly on-brand. I'm firmly in the camp that BT is responsible for Higurashi being as good as it is, that his influence began slipping during the first half of Umineko... and of course his death during ep5's production just fucking nuked the entire thing. Rest in power man.
As for discussion, I've been hanging out in the /jp/ 07th threads and they're... not much better. Just instead of tranny schizos you get... whatever the fuck those threads have. I keep offering to start up discussions but apparently nobody wants to talk about all the plot holes in Umineko
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BT had to have been the only real quality control 07thexpansion ever had. The games are completely different than the manga and anime adaptations and his death also coincided with the loss of relevance his stories had other the years. Didn't hear about 07thexpansion again until 2020.
Think he just sold the rights to several different companies since he hasn't made any contributions to the story in a while and Entergram does a much better job at writing and presentation than he ever did. Most of his staff also work there now. If phase 2 happens its going to come from them since they also remastered Umineko and bundled the fighting game with it.
The console versions of Hou are getting a DLC with a beach episode and an original sprite toggle.
The /jp/ threads are run by tranny janny schizos running spambots from their private discord server called "Kizuna". Its a futile effort to continue posting there.
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Autistic correction: Kizuna doesn't do shit that I've noticed. I know because I'm in there. I don't pay that much attention to them but mostly they just bitch at each other, same as the threads but with a different set of schizos. They're just a boogeyman for the threads because lolshitcord.
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Haven't been there for years now. They were the most vocal ones spamming "Rika vs Shitoko" schizoposts at any given point to drown out any discussion from what I remember being in that server. Their random "bitching at each other" is exactly what they spam 24/7 in the /jp/ thread.
The only real discussion about higurashi on 4chan that I had was somehow on /a/ when it had threads up thanks to Sotsu. I have no idea what the hell that inside joke of a thread is on /jp/ and am glad I dropped all of that manufactured insanity when I did.
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New Meguri chapter. Is it just me or are we getting some derpy faces from Rika?
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Who the hell is BT? Surely you're not suggesting his quality control was handled by Bittorrent.
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Idiot Asshole
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It's almost impossible to discuss Higurashi on 4chan at all nowadays. I've ventured to the /jp/ threads a couple of times and I guess it's good to know that they weren't always as awful as whatever the fuck they are now, but that doesn't stop the fact that they're now just unending slapfighting waifu spam. /a/'s threads are hit-or-miss because they're sometimes exactly the same but then you get a thread that flies under the radar and actual humans who actually like the series can discuss it. Apparently /v/ can have good threads as well still but I avoid that board like the plague.
BT was Ryukishi's only friend; he actually wrote, designed and coded literally everything while Ryu sat in the corner jacking off to that one naked Satoko sprite. He died in 2009 during Umineko's release so Ryu had to take over and ended up turning it into complete meta-narrative garbage.
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> Ryu coming up with dumber and dumber shit, smashing Rozen Maiden into Tsukihime/Type-Moon while BT quietly despairs
Yeah this is definitely how Umineko was made
lmao if only
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I have a feeling this is how the Passione anime was written.
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So basically Ryukishi07 is in a Bob Kane/Bill Finger situation?
(for non-capeshit fans: Bob Kane gets credit for inventing Batman, but it was actually Finger who developed the idea into something more distinct than "bat-themed crime fighter." I could also have made a George Lucas comparison).
(for non-capeshit fans: Bob Kane gets credit for inventing Batman, but it was actually Finger who developed the idea into something more distinct than "bat-themed crime fighter." I could also have made a George Lucas comparison).
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I've recently seen it suggested that BT was like the editorial team keeping George Lucas from shitting Star Wars up with his nutty ideas... Sotsugou is the Holiday Special.
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Trianthology was ok and more like infinities with the several different VN short stories and art styles it had.