Ryukishi07 megathread / griefing thread - Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, etc.

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Trombonista said:
New Meguri Chapter

Ooishi got offered the Idiot Booze.
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Finishing up Festival-Accompanying arc, and--
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Oh, but she's not a quick learner when it comes to studying, and that's why she hates it? I know she could just do anything else with her life if she just tells Rika straight-up "Nah, I don't want to go to that school", but really?

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Why the fuck didn't we get this storyline? Fuck you, Ryukishi07.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Finishing up Festival-Accompanying arc, and--
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Oh, but she's not a quick learner when it comes to studying, and that's why she hates it? I know she could just do anything else with her life if she just tells Rika straight-up "Nah, I don't want to go to that school", but really?

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Why the fuck didn't we get this storyline? Fuck you, Ryukishi07.
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Higurashi had a definitive ending already. He really pissed away his get out of jail card with the sea of fragments and over a decade of using it better in almost every context than whatever gou/sotsu was.

Feel like the only one who wants to see another trianthology story. Alice demonstrating fragment hopping was more cohesive and interesting than lazy satoko doing anything else than just saying she didnt want to go to St Lucia.
 
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Mexican_Wizard_711 said:
Saying this as a outsider looking in, how do you faggots even like this convoluted bullshit?
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It's always autism.

Though I've lately introduced a non-autistic friend to Higurashi (on Festival-Accompanying now) and he finds it intriguing, and now understands why I love Higurashi so much.
 
Trombonista said:
Even Meguri had to lie to us about Teppei.
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Wait, what's the lie in this case? I don't think there's any actual contradictions here with the manga Tataridamashi, though I'm not convinced that it'll handle the dealings with Ooishi and CWS visiting the Houjou house convincingly, with Teppei's body lying here in full display.

It's funny to think how little Tomato seems to care about Teppei, though, with him being treated as nothing more than a disposable pawn by Satoko.
The Passione writer really seems to be the only one who tries to present Teppei as particularly important, since only the anime turns him an important part of the narrative by making Satoko conflicted about killing him. When Good Guy Teppei appeared in Mei, he came across one of the main antagonists, who immediately started ranting about how disgusted she was to see Satoko's hated uncle act in such a manner, and that whoever set that up must have some incredibly bad taste.
It's like everyone else working on Gou/Sotsu related material thinks the anime was awful and quietly tries to rewrite it in their own work. It's pretty hilarious to see it all happen.
 
R.E.O. Spedwagon said:
I don't think there's any actual contradictions here with the manga Tataridamashi,
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I could have sworn we saw the cops pin down Teppei, though perhaps we are to assume Keiichi's memory is unreliable due to getting his head bashed in later.
 
Trombonista said:
I could have sworn we saw the cops pin down Teppei, though perhaps we are to assume Keiichi's memory is unreliable due to getting his head bashed in later.
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That was shown, but it was part of the story Satoko told Keiichi over the phone, complete with the typical memory/imagination filter the manga uses. It wasn't depicted as being even remotely reliable testimony like the anime did.
 
Oh yeah, that reminds me. Has Meguri touched on Rena's decent into madness through Satoko poking her with H-173, or did it completely ignore that and not bother giving Rina that bullshit "I was raised by a single parent" backstory?
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Oh yeah, that reminds me. Has Meguri touched on Rena's decent into madness through Satoko poking her with H-173, or did it completely ignore that and not bother giving Rina that bullshit "I was raised by a single parent" backstory?
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They gave Rina that story, but made it work by showing her childhood and having her tell the story to Rena.
 
A'ight, now that I finished the Dice-Killing arc on the sound novel, I'm now very confident in saying that yes, Shitsugou is supposed to be an alternate world, the one where Rika didn't ever get hit by Truck-kun and learn about Hanyuu's sin of abusing her god powers to let Rika live, and that she finally got some motherly, mature advice about making her own choices, and learning about how even someone who has sinned can still move on and live life to the fullest. It was the marketing's fault for tricking the audience into thinking Gou was going to be a complete reboot when it should've been open from the start that it's a sequel, albeit not necessarily that of Rei.

See, Bernkastel is a selfish witch, one who imposes others to make decisions for her. Satoko's backlash could totally be a result of Bernkastel's choices in not letting her be independent. Unfortunately, the execution is complete shit, and ruins an otherwise-decent idea for a Higurashi plot. Seems like not even the manga has been able to fix that despite how it deviates from the anime.

Even realizing that still gets me pissed off at how bad Ryukishi and Passione bungled Shitsugou. Goddamn.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
A'ight, now that I finished the Dice-Killing arc on the sound novel, I'm now very confident in saying that yes, Shitsugou is supposed to be an alternate world, the one where Rika didn't ever get hit by Truck-kun and learn about Hanyuu's sin of abusing her god powers to let Rika live, and that she finally got some motherly, mature advice about making her own choices, and learning about how even someone who has sinned can still move on and live life to the fullest. It was the marketing's fault for tricking the audience into thinking Gou was going to be a complete reboot when it should've been open from the start that it's a sequel, albeit not necessarily that of Rei.

See, Bernkastel is a selfish witch, one who imposes others to make decisions for her. Satoko's backlash could totally be a result of Bernkastel's choices in not letting her be independent. Unfortunately, the execution is complete shit, and ruins an otherwise-decent idea for a Higurashi plot. Seems like not even the manga has been able to fix that despite how it deviates from the anime.

Even realizing that still gets me pissed off at how bad Ryukishi and Passione bungled Shitsugou. Goddamn.
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This was one of the bigger fuckups of marketing in recent history. He hints at Featherine and pawns in one of his gou interviews but I think it was more of a fuck up of Passione than Ryukishi. Since the Japanese don't do tard wrangling of people who just don't get it. Like western studios used to do.

Kind of sad watching him go to this fedora wearing redditor arc from being an actual VN writer. Yes people get old but what does he really do all day these days besides shitpost as beako during an earthquake and travel?
I liked his older non 07th expansion works with Iwahime, but given his more recent works with Key like "Loopers", which probably are what put him in the position to work on silent hill, he never lost his rambling about pointless details in the environment in excruciating detail or his autistic compulsion to re-introduce pre disaster [place] constantly.

Higurashi's main story could probably be distilled down to a 5-7 hour point and click without losing anything important. While being far more respecting of the reader's time and having DLC or in game unlocks for the various side arcs and spinoffs they made over the years.

I am not too familiar with Umineko but was turned off because of the non japanese fanbase being largely pseudo intellectual discordniggers and trannies doing nothing but spamming bern/lambda memes everywhere

Ciconia's intro was autistic as fuck (jump off a building lol and then ignore gravity because reasons. If they almost his the ground and activated the anchor arm at the last second, then the rest of their body would have hit the ground anyway and be dragged along into the nearest building while still attached to that thing. THE END.) so I never really cared about it. But it still deserves to be finished. He just needs a tard wrangler to cut or rework things like that intro.

It does have some decent scenes later on that I found in videos like the time capsule, but its not worth it to sit through 20+ hours of nothingburger dialog and generic anime screeching to get to.

Trianthology was great and did a much better job at demonstrating fragment travel than higurashi ever did. Alice's constant bitchface never made much sense though and his sci fi story in that work felt more like a part of ciconia than its own little fragment.
 
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Mexican_Wizard_711 said:
Saying this as a outsider looking in, how do you faggots even like this convoluted bullshit?
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So I've played Umineko and Higurashi. Umineko's a really fun mystery story that really gives the player an increasingly fair shot at working out what's going on before dropping its big reveal - and damn, you'll really feel clever for working it out. Higurashi is more of a folk horror with plot twists than a mystery but it does have a fun final episode. Two 8-episode VNs that are way too bloated but otherwise entertaining when they respectively hook you in.

But having read some of this thread, I'm glad I never bothered to look into the side stories or anime or any of that shit cause holy hell what a shitfight Ryukishi's turned it into with all this braindead retconning. It's making me doubt whether he really had any skill at all or if Umineko working out as well as it did was just an insane series of flukes.
 
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