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Yeah that's a good way to say it. The writers really don't know what abuse is like and are writing a watered down version of what they think they're writing. It's a very complex thing to write in a story and Miles and co. really aren't up to the task.


Yeap. I also would like to add that what Weiss is complaining about regarding her home life, especially in her songs, doesn't match what's happening in the show.

Song:
"I am the loneliest of all"

Show:
Actually she had a supporting big sister and cool butler that pampered her. Then she has the rest of Team RWBY AND JNPR as friends. So the show tries to fix it by saying "it was a different kind of loneliness." How?

Song:

"Amazing how you conquered me. Chained me in servility"

Show:

Actually Jaques. let her go to a school in a whole other kingdom, and do whatever as long as it didn't affect his business or reputation. He only put her in her place after she made an embarrassing scene attacking people in a party.

Song:

"Enemies surround me but The worst appear as friends Liars and pretenders
Only seek to reach their ends."

Show:

Who? All her friends have been nothing but loving and supportive.


It just seems like the songs, and Weiss dialogue, are describing a completely different character. I am still 2 volumes behind, but I just don't see it.
 
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Yeap. I also would like to add that what Weiss is complaining about regarding her home life, especially in her songs, doesn't match what's happening in the show.

Song:
"I am the loneliest of all"

Show:
Actually she had a supporting big sister and cool butler that pampered her. Then she has the rest of Team RWBY AND JNPR as friends. So the show tries to fix it by saying "it was a different kind of loneliness." How?

Song:

"Amazing how you conquered me. Chained me in servility"

Show:

Actually Jaques. let her go to a school in a whole other kingdom, and do whatever as long as it didn't affect his business or reputation. He only put her in her place after she made an embarrassing scene attacking people in a party.

Song:

"Enemies surround me but The worst appear as friends Liars and pretenders
Only seek to reach their ends."

Show:

Who? All her friends have been nothing but loving and supportive.


It just seems like the songs, and Weiss dialogue, are describing a completely different character. I am still 2 volumes behind, but I just don't see it.
Honestly what I’m getting from this is that Weiss would be famous on Tumblr and Twitter and commies.
 
Honestly what I’m getting from this is that Weiss would be famous on Tumblr and Twitter and commies.
I’d say that’s more Blake. She’s just like them if you examine her character.


My point with Jacques was that we're supposed to see him as this extremely horrid irredeemable villain, but they failed to write him in a way that comes across as bad as how they tell us we're supposed to feel about him. I find Jacques to be more annoying and dull than anything. I mean am I supposed to take him cutting Weiss's credit card off after she stops taking his calls and slapping her in Volume 4 as proof that he's completely evil? Yet Winter slaps Weiss twice in Volume 3 yet we're supposed to like her. And so much of Jacques' crimes have been told rather than shown, and the closest we got to seeing how it directly affected anyone was the SDC branding on Adam's face, which comes out of left field then he dies right after that making the entire reveal pointless cause they didn't want us to sympathize with Adam. They should have gone the full 9 yards to portray Jacques as the scummy abusive dickwad we're supposed to see him as. It reminds me of how Raiko was written in Legend of Korra, where we're supposed to see him as this slimy politician but he actually makes sound decisions like not wanting Korra to start a war or being mad his city is being destroyed because of her.


Yeah that's a good way to say it. The writers really don't know what abuse is like and are writing a watered down version of what they think they're writing. It's a very complex thing to write in a story and Miles and co. really aren't up to the task.
It’s almost like the show was never supposed to have as deep of a story as it currently has. Or to put it in another way, Monty may have been a well of ideas, but he had a real weakness when it came to putting those ideas in and executing practice. And the idea of Maidens was actually one of the last ones he ever had.
 
My point with Jacques was that we're supposed to see him as this extremely horrid irredeemable villain, but they failed to write him in a way that comes across as bad as how they tell us we're supposed to feel about him. I find Jacques to be more annoying and dull than anything. I mean am I supposed to take him cutting Weiss's credit card off after she stops taking his calls and slapping her in Volume 4 as proof that he's completely evil? Yet Winter slaps Weiss twice in Volume 3 yet we're supposed to like her. And so much of Jacques' crimes have been told rather than shown, and the closest we got to seeing how it directly affected anyone was the SDC branding on Adam's face, which comes out of left field then he dies right after that making the entire reveal pointless cause they didn't want us to sympathize with Adam. They should have gone the full 9 yards to portray Jacques as the scummy abusive dickwad we're supposed to see him as. It reminds me of how Raiko was written in Legend of Korra, where we're supposed to see him as this slimy politician but he actually makes sound decisions like not wanting Korra to start a war or being mad his city is being destroyed because of her.


Yeah that's a good way to say it. The writers really don't know what abuse is like and are writing a watered down version of what they think they're writing. It's a very complex thing to write in a story and Miles and co. really aren't up to the task.

Both of the examples here are cases of Overly Protag Centric Writing. Especially Korra.

Both Jacques and Raiko are the stuffy killjoy adults getting in the way of Korra's/Weiss' fun. We're supposed to side with Weiss and Korra in whatever they do. No matter if they do nice acts like attack a guest at a party or leave portals open without consulting any of Republic City's or the rest of the world's current leadership besides one man.

Jacques is supposed to be abusive and a Le Monopoly Man caricature. Problem is that the biggest examples of this are restricted to outside show sources (see the already mentioned manga) or don't come off how they're supposed to (like Jacques apparently being waycis against faunus despite how from all evidence he doesn't treat the humans in Mantle notably better than faunus). And there's the point that Winter has no problem slapping Weiss around yet we're supposed to approve her since Weiss does.

Raiko is supposed to be an obstructive politico who puts his PR above doing "what's right." Except Korra's petulant and does charming plans like plot to start a world war. They try to make him look like some coward for surrendering to Kuvira instead of fighting to the death. And the comics have him as more or less Trump who loses an election to a woman married to a war profiteer who also worked under Kuvira (pandering to his hatedom) aka Zhu Li (who's now Hillary Clinton).
 
Yeap. I also would like to add that what Weiss is complaining about regarding her home life, especially in her songs, doesn't match what's happening in the show.

Song:
"I am the loneliest of all"

Show:
Actually she had a supporting big sister and cool butler that pampered her. Then she has the rest of Team RWBY AND JNPR as friends. So the show tries to fix it by saying "it was a different kind of loneliness." How?

Song:

"Amazing how you conquered me. Chained me in servility"

Show:

Actually Jaques. let her go to a school in a whole other kingdom, and do whatever as long as it didn't affect his business or reputation. He only put her in her place after she made an embarrassing scene attacking people in a party.

Song:

"Enemies surround me but The worst appear as friends Liars and pretenders
Only seek to reach their ends."

Show:

Who? All her friends have been nothing but loving and supportive.


It just seems like the songs, and Weiss dialogue, are describing a completely different character. I am still 2 volumes behind, but I just don't see it.
And this comes down to RT making a baffling decision to try to tell more story through songs and not put it in the show. When people are told to listen to the songs to get important character and plot info there's a serious problem. And like you said we also have a problem of this not lining up with what we see in the show (which seems to be a running trend of every piece of supplemental material not matching up with the actual show). I have a feeling when the show started Weiss was supposed to be alone, but with the later additions of Winter, Klein, and Willow it becomes a little more difficult to believe. And with team RWBY along with several other friends and supportive teachers yeah Weiss actually had a pretty solid support network, and was so much more powerful than her dad it was honestly a joke that she didn't rebel sooner.

It’s almost like the show was never supposed to have as deep of a story as it currently has. Or to put it in another way, Monty may have been a well of ideas, but he had a real weakness when it came to putting those ideas in and executing practice. And the idea of Maidens was actually one of the last ones he ever had.
More importantly we're dealing with Miles attempting to write these deeper elements. There was definitely supposed to be serious story in some parts early on in the show since the White Fang plot started back in Volume 1, but after Monty died everyone left making RWBY didn't seem to know what to do with any of it, and under Miles' leadership the show has misused literally every single bit of the story. Also we never got to see exactly what Monty was going to do with the Maidens cause it was Miles and Kerry who wrote Volume 3 frankensteining some of Monty's original plans with a whole bunch of changes. I don't think the Maidens were a good idea in the first place and would have taken focus away from the real story regardless, but I don't doubt Miles found a way to make things worse.
 
Presenting what a bee thinks is buildup.
 

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Presenting what a bee thinks is buildup.
Yang and Blake didn't choose each other as partners. Literally they got paired up cause they ran into each other. That's said in Volume 1. This is the same reason Ruby and Weiss became partners.

Blake had one friend dance with Yang before spending the rest of the time with Sun. Blake also spent an entire weekend with Sun in Volume 1 and opened up to him first about her history in the White Fang.

Blake compared Yang to Adam to call Yang a monster. Like that's not flattering. She's saying that Yang is like Adam because she thinks Yang is acting like a psychopathic murderer and does not for a second give Yang the benefit of the doubt or consider that she could be telling the truth.

The rest of it is either them wearing yuri goggles and warping scenes for shipping purposes, or random pandering that started in Volume 6. Because Volume 6 sunk to the levels of shipping Sun off after Sun stood by Blake the entire show because he's her love interest since Bumblebee can't work as long as Sun is around since Sun and Blake actually had build up.

Monty still made mistakes. For one thing, he approved the faunus.
No one is saying Monty didn't make any mistakes. He was still human. And the Faunus aren't an inherently bad idea, the problem with them is that Miles never followed up on the set up established back in the first Volume, and only gave lip service to systematic bigotry that the Faunus are supposed to be experiencing. It wasn't that big of a deal early in the show because we were still learning about things but once the White Fang plotline started to take a much bigger role in Volume 3 with Adam working with Cinder to attack Beacon (rather than just having some White Fang members work for Roman) and then the story supposedly getting more serious from then on that's where the Faunus storyline failed. Any issue from early on could have been ironed out starting in Volume 3 or 4, but no one was willing to put in the effort it would take to develop this story which is how we get things like the infamous "No Faunus" sign being one of the only examples of what's supposed to be widespread anti Faunus bigotry.
 
Look, the faunus with their fantasy racism are only a thing so that RWBY could have a catgirl with a dark past. Even sticking strictly with what Monty took part in, none of RWBY besides Weiss in a pinch are politically relevant. Faunus Racism doe not have any relevance to Team RWBY's adventures as an actual team and not a collection of protagonists since none of them besides Weiss AT MOST have any position within society to impact it. Even back at the start the White Fang were just thugs there to let there be enemies who weren't just Roman's goons or Cinder's posse.

And besides, racism is "wrong" since there aren't really differences between the "Races" that aren't from socialization or skin-deep differences. This isn't the case in RWBY where there are differences besides that (note the night vision and Blake being hostile to Zwei). It's the same problem with the fantasy racism in X-Men where Mutants are indeed apparently somehow a whole separate species who have superpowers so broken that even someone like Cyclops can wipeout a suburb if he went postal, but we're also supposed to see it as totally unwarranted meanness from Homo Sapiens that they're so distrusted.

A better RWBY has NO faunus. I'm serious. Blake can just be a human terrorist with Ren's backstory of coming from a destroyed village (hence her becoming a terrorist) with Adam and her belonging to the same human ethnicity (like they're fantasy Irish or something).
 
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This is probably what Sun will feel like once he learns Blake and Yang are dating. Just wanna have it on record.


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I haven't caught up, but is it official that Sun is now with Mako and Finn from adventure time in being cucked by the lesbian ship?

Because that's giving me flashbacks of the Asami/Korra thing that also had no build-up,(they spent 2/3 of the show trying to date the same guy), but shippers tried to spin it as if they had been in love since they met.
 
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Asami was supposed to be a villain until they decided not since Bryke digged her design. Of course Korrasami wasn't seriously planned.

If they are making Blake and Yang and official couple, this would be like the third time in a western animated show I notice shippers get their way for being loud on social media.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against gay couples, but it just feels malicious they way they handle it. Without any setup or character development, they just punish viewers for getting invested, and then you are seen as an homophobe for questioning how it was poorly developed.

Sun was clearly intended to be Blake's love interest, just like Mako from Korra was.
 
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I haven't caught up, but is it official that Sun is now with Mako and Finn from adventure time in being cucked by the lesbian ship?

Because that's giving me flashbacks of the Asami/Korra thing that also had no build-up,(they spent 2/3 of the show trying to date the same guy), but shippers tried to spin it as if they had been in love since they met.
No, it hasn’t. I just use that image from the Turf Wars comic because I find it funny. I call this “The Mako Special”.
 
I call this “The Mako Special”.

Love it. I got a feeling I'm gonna use that term very frequently.

Rip Finn and Mako so far...

lake can just be a human terrorist with Ren's backstory of coming from a destroyed village (hence her becoming a terrorist) with Adam and her belonging to the same human ethnicity (like they're fantasy Irish or something).
Now that you guys mention Blake, I think my opinion on her so far is that she is a character that is a lot more interesting in concept than in practice.

It's like Monty threw every dark fantasy anime trope at her. She is a cat lady, a former terrorist, that cool kid that sits next to the window alone etc. So I get why she is popular, but in practice I think she has the least interesting personality of all team RWBY.

Her natural state seems to be complaining about racism and politics, but outside of that, she doesn't seem to have that much personality or interests compared to the other 3. And frankly she would be the most boring to have a conversation with.
 
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Now that you guys mention Blake, I think my opinion on her so far is that she is a character that is a lot more interesting in concept than in practice.

It's like Monty threw every dark fantasy anime trope at her. She is a cat lady, a former terrorist, that cool kid that sits next to the window alone etc. So I get why she is popular, but in practice I think she has the least interesting personality of all team RWBY.

Her natural state seems to be complaining about racism and politics, but outside of that, she doesn't seem to have that much personality or interests compared to the other 3. And frankly she would be the most boring to have a conversation with.
I'm gonna take a moment to actually advocate for Blake's character cause I did genuinely like her in the beginning of the show. It's when Miles took over that everything I liked about Blake's character went out the window and we're left with an empty husk of a character that is desperately pretending to still be relevant.

Blake at the start of the show is the only character in the main group that actually has any relevance to the plot being a former member of the White Fang. Weiss comes in second in that regard considering her family's business has history with the Faunus and she has personal history with the White Fang being caught between the crap they did and the crap her father did. Ruby and Yang barely have any relevance to the plot and sadly not much was done to fix that. But having one of the main characters be a former terrorist who left the group and her mentor who she greatly admires because she became jaded by the violence and swung the pendulum in the other direction wanting to accomplish the same goal but in peaceful ways really added a lot. And it set up what should have been an interesting ideological conflict between her and Adam where they both have the exact same goals but completely disagree on how to go about making it happen.

You can even see at the end of Volume 1 that despite Blake having left the White Fang due to her distaste for the constant violence she was adamantly refusing to believe they'd do something like petty theft, which is ridiculous cause they're terrorists but Blake was looking at the group through rose tinted glasses. It takes her seeing it with her own eyes to break out of that mindset, which then affects her in Volume 2. She's eager to go after the White Fang, and her history with and knowledge of the group gets used to infiltrate a White Fang rally to investigate. (quick side note this is also where one of the only successful moments of foreshadowing comes up with Faunus being able to see in the dark). And then Blake becomes so obsessed with trying to make up for what she had done and stop the White Fang she runs herself ragged and needs Yang to get her to chill out and relax in what is one of Yang's best scenes and one of the better written conversations in the series.

And later in Volume 2 when Oobleck is questioning everyone in RWBY about their motivations he forces Blake to realize she didn't know what she was doing and didn't have a plan to actually accomplish her goals. It was rather nice to see a main character literally be called out on something like that, and you'd logically think that it would lead to Blake taking things more seriously and using her eventual Huntress status in a real way rather than just spouting ideals. Cause all Blake had were ideas about what she wants but she hadn't put any thought into how she'll do it. Solid set up for her arc moving forward where Blake would have to make a definitive choice about what she'll do.

But then Volume 3 happens. Then Adam being randomly turned into a stalker ex happens. Then Blake starts to become annoying and her two Volumes of development get pissed on because Blake just runs away from her team refusing to even tell them she's leaving after the show went through painstaking effort to make that the primary lesson she learned. So after two Volumes of establishing a bond with her team and that she'll stop running away.... she runs away and leaves everyone. Then Volume 4 happens and Blake's arc somehow trips and shoots itself in the head with a shotgun by establishing that Blake's parents are not only alive and well, they're both in the picture and perfectly loving of Blake. That completely conflicts with the implication from Volume 1 that she was either an orphan or her parents weren't in the picture, and conflicts with the implication from Volume 2 that she had lived a hard life outside the comforts of the Kingdom because she lived a happy life on a literal tropical paradise. And adding to that her dad is the chief of the whole tropical island and her family lives in a mansion and she's practically royalty, which throws a huge wrench into her scene from Volume 1 where she accused Weiss of being the stuck up rich girl cause wow apparently Blake was a freaking princess from a tropical island and only suffered because she decided to leave her home to fight in a terrorist group despite making it sound before like she grew up in it and was forced into a hard life. That Weiss was merely adopted into the tragic backstory while Blake was born in it, molded by it. But she's nothing but a hypocrite now and that's what Volume 4 gave us for Blake.

And it's a sad state cause they took a character I liked and had a lot of potential and then flushed everything down the drain [LookHowTheyMassacredMyGirl.JPEG]. The writing of the early seasons wasn't perfect but it had a number of good things. As long as they fixed the few issues with Blake's character (like there not being enough anti Faunus bigotry to justify how intensely she wanted to hide that she was a Faunus) Blake could have had a great character.
 
I'm gonna take a moment to actually advocate for Blake's character cause I did genuinely like her in the beginning of the show. It's when Miles took over that everything I liked about Blake's character went out the window and we're left with an empty husk of a character that is desperately pretending to still be relevant.

Definitively I agree, I think my complaints of Blake come from volume 3 onwards. Early when the show wasn't pretending to be super serious, but a more grounded adventure "anime" they had a lot more fun exploring their charatcers.

I still think those cute moments of her acting like a cat added to her character even in the small ways.

But once the show got more "serious", I think that not just her development but also that a lot of her personality was lost. I think Blake was at her most uninteresting during volumes 4-5.

I have no criticism for Blake's concept and all the terrorist/racism thing, that’s actually the most interesting part about her, but, to give an analogy, if you could sit with any of them in coffee shop to talk, Blake would be by far the most boring(unless you just want to talk about terrorism and racism).
 
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Definitively I agree, I think my complaints of Blake come from volume 3 onwards. Early when the show wasn't pretending to be super serious, but a more grounded adventure "anime" they had a lot more fun exploring their charatcers.

I still think those cute moments of her acting like a cat added to her character even in the small ways.

But once the show got more "serious", I think that not just her development but also that a lot of her personality was lost. I think Blake was at her most uninteresting during volumes 4-5.

I have no criticism for Blake's concept and all the terrorist/racism thing, that’s actually the most interesting part about her, but, to give an analogy, if you could sit with any of them in coffee shop to talk, Blake would be by far the most boring(unless you just want to talk about terrorism and racism).
Oh yeah early on when Blake had those cat like quirks where she was afraid of Zwei or had a comical love for eating fish, and even of her love of reading that was how she and Ruby started to bond in the first place she was much more likable. I found that a lot of characteristics of the main characters were dropped after the first couple Volumes like Ruby's obsessive love for weapons or Yang being boy crazy. RWBY really did work best when the show wasn't trying to be ultra serious and deep and just had the occasional scene that would be more serious but still managing to be kind of ridiculous in a way that was endearing (which was definitely helped by the existence of Roman being able to infuse levity in the villains' side of things).
 
I haven't caught up, but is it official that Sun is now with Mako and Finn from adventure time in being cucked by the lesbian ship?

Because that's giving me flashbacks of the Asami/Korra thing that also had no build-up,(they spent 2/3 of the show trying to date the same guy), but shippers tried to spin it as if they had been in love since they met.
Shippers go with the Charlie Harper logic: When two guys had sex with the same chick, they had sex with each other by proxy.
 
If they are making Blake and Yang and official couple, this would be like the third time in a western animated show I notice shippers get their way for being loud on social media.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against gay couples, but it just feels malicious they way they handle it. Without any setup or character development, they just punish viewers for getting invested, and then you are seen as an homophobe for questioning how it was poorly developed.

Sun was clearly intended to be Blake's love interest, just like Mako from Korra was.
I guess fan entitlement is okay if you're a creepy lesbian fetishist.
 
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