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I never really understood this whole notion of Ruby and Cinder being rivals.

Ruby wasn't really that close to Pyrrha (At best they were semi-aquaintances), so her feeling emotionally devastated enough to go all Super Saiyan with her eyes never made any sense to me, and personally I would prefer the original plan where it was Jaune who got Pyrrha killed because she had to protect his untrained skinny ass but they changed because they were aware that had the original plan went down then Jaune would be more despised than Pyrrha's murderer due to having no combat skills that inevitably were fatal.

I prefer the original version more, because not only would Jaune come to terms with the realization that his lies WERE a dangerous thing that had consequences, but would be better than Ruby's SSJ Solar Flare and no explanation on the Silver-Eyed Warriors which took six goddamn volumes to reach.
 
Say what you Linkara but their was this one point he made that's always stuck with me: Mysterious villains need to be created a backstory and/or endgame in mind or else they can come across as vapid and pretentious.
Yeah Linkara ended up being.... quite exceptional, but he has made some good points at times. I'll agree with that point about mysterious villains. The mystery is a tease hinting at something deeper. If there's a mystery with nothing behind it that's just an uninteresting smoke and mirrors. You end up with a character no one cares about. And that's what happened with Cinder. She was introduced with a mystery so you'd expect there to be some reveal about her backstory that explained her motivations, but that never came. We only ever got some generic idea that she wants power which doesn't explain anything. There needs to be some sort of backstory that explains why Cinder is doing what she's doing. How exactly did she meet Salem? What caused her to want to destroy Beacon? How did she get so powerful and what is her reason for wanting more power? We get nothing so Cinder just ends up being a completely vapid character.

I never really understood this whole notion of Ruby and Cinder being rivals.

Ruby wasn't really that close to Pyrrha (At best they were semi-aquaintances), so her feeling emotionally devastated enough to go all Super Saiyan with her eyes never made any sense to me, and personally I would prefer the original plan where it was Jaune who got Pyrrha killed because she had to protect his untrained skinny ass but they changed because they were aware that had the original plan went down then Jaune would be more despised than Pyrrha's murderer due to having no combat skills that inevitably were fatal.

I prefer the original version more, because not only would Jaune come to terms with the realization that his lies WERE a dangerous thing that had consequences, but would be better than Ruby's SSJ Solar Flare and no explanation on the Silver-Eyed Warriors which took six goddamn volumes to reach.

Cinder was built up as the big bad from the start of the show, and had a showdown with Ruby in episode 1, so her being the protagonist you'd expect there to be some direct conflict between them. That was teased again in Volume 2 when Ruby ran into Cinder in the CCT which just reinforced the idea that this was building to some sort of fight between the two. It's not hard to see why so many people expected a fight between the two or for RT to do something at all with them. But we got nothing cause Volume 3 was more concerned with turning Cinder into a villain sue and trying to contrive the most ridiculous scenario possible that they could kill Pyrrha off in. This stupidity in the writing is what lead to them having to rely on Ruby becoming a deus ex machina to save the day cause they had forced the story in the favor of the villains so hard it was literally impossible for the good guys not to all end up dead without changing things at the last minute, hence Ruby's super laser eyes.

And I'll disagree about Jaune causing Pyrrha's death being good. Sure it might be marginally better than what was got only because what we got was about as bad as it could possibly be, but it would only serve to ruin Jaune's character cause he had barely developed into a somewhat competent person and Pyrrha was literally the entirety of his character development, and with her gone Jaune's character goes down the drain. And considering the fandom already had a super mixed reception about Jaune anyways having him be responsible for getting Pyrrha killed (which was a stupid idea in the first place Monty was absolutely wrong with this) the fandom would completely revile Jaune and no one would care about his development after that. That would trash the only reason they had for killing Pyrrha which was to develop Jaune, and as the show has shown without Pyrrha Jaune has become an entirely dull character with no goals or development. They barely had Jaune interact with Ren and Nora which then made going forward without Pyrrha even worse of an idea because he's barely had a couple of scenes with his other teammates since they focused so hard on him interacting with Pyrrha. And this is such a massive disservice to Pyrrha cause right when they were starting to get into her character in Volume 2 she gets shoved into a nonsensical plotline about the Maidens and becomes the primary character focused on in the season literally to force her into a position to kill her off. Pyrrha still remains completely unexplored as a character and they barely touched on the fact that she's supposed to be a worldwide celebrity yet no one really seems to know that unless it becomes relevant, which it only was for a grand total of two scenes.

I agree Jaune should face some consequences for lying his way into Beacon but this is not the way to do it. Ruby's Silver Eyes ex Machina was a terrible idea but replacing it with another terrible idea won't fix it.
 
Yeah Linkara ended up being.... quite exceptional, but he has made some good points at times. I'll agree with that point about mysterious villains. The mystery is a tease hinting at something deeper. If there's a mystery with nothing behind it that's just an uninteresting smoke and mirrors. You end up with a character no one cares about. And that's what happened with Cinder. She was introduced with a mystery so you'd expect there to be some reveal about her backstory that explained her motivations, but that never came. We only ever got some generic idea that she wants power which doesn't explain anything. There needs to be some sort of backstory that explains why Cinder is doing what she's doing. How exactly did she meet Salem? What caused her to want to destroy Beacon? How did she get so powerful and what is her reason for wanting more power? We get nothing so Cinder just ends up being a completely vapid character.



Cinder was built up as the big bad from the start of the show, and had a showdown with Ruby in episode 1, so her being the protagonist you'd expect there to be some direct conflict between them. That was teased again in Volume 2 when Ruby ran into Cinder in the CCT which just reinforced the idea that this was building to some sort of fight between the two. It's not hard to see why so many people expected a fight between the two or for RT to do something at all with them. But we got nothing cause Volume 3 was more concerned with turning Cinder into a villain sue and trying to contrive the most ridiculous scenario possible that they could kill Pyrrha off in. This stupidity in the writing is what lead to them having to rely on Ruby becoming a deus ex machina to save the day cause they had forced the story in the favor of the villains so hard it was literally impossible for the good guys not to all end up dead without changing things at the last minute, hence Ruby's super laser eyes.

And I'll disagree about Jaune causing Pyrrha's death being good. Sure it might be marginally better than what was got only because what we got was about as bad as it could possibly be, but it would only serve to ruin Jaune's character cause he had barely developed into a somewhat competent person and Pyrrha was literally the entirety of his character development, and with her gone Jaune's character goes down the drain. And considering the fandom already had a super mixed reception about Jaune anyways having him be responsible for getting Pyrrha killed (which was a stupid idea in the first place Monty was absolutely wrong with this) the fandom would completely revile Jaune and no one would care about his development after that. That would trash the only reason they had for killing Pyrrha which was to develop Jaune, and as the show has shown without Pyrrha Jaune has become an entirely dull character with no goals or development. They barely had Jaune interact with Ren and Nora which then made going forward without Pyrrha even worse of an idea because he's barely had a couple of scenes with his other teammates since they focused so hard on him interacting with Pyrrha. And this is such a massive disservice to Pyrrha cause right when they were starting to get into her character in Volume 2 she gets shoved into a nonsensical plotline about the Maidens and becomes the primary character focused on in the season literally to force her into a position to kill her off. Pyrrha still remains completely unexplored as a character and they barely touched on the fact that she's supposed to be a worldwide celebrity yet no one really seems to know that unless it becomes relevant, which it only was for a grand total of two scenes.

I agree Jaune should face some consequences for lying his way into Beacon but this is not the way to do it. Ruby's Silver Eyes ex Machina was a terrible idea but replacing it with another terrible idea won't fix it.

Thanks for clearing up the Cinder v. Ruby thing for me, I can understand that better and now see why everything went down the toilet even worse than I did before in regards to the earlier Volumes.

Eh, let's agree to disagree with the final version of the Pyrrha death and the Original Plan but I am in agreement over what Jaune would have faced if they went with the original plan because it would become his sole "Never Live It Down" moment before becoming completely solidified as the Scrappy for a long time that it wouldn't ever really leave him.

The whole lying thing when it came to it just didn't really matter as it never gets brought up again after Jaundice;Despite it being a big deal from the foreshadowing of Glynda finding his manuscripts odd, to Jaune making himself the bitch boy of Cardin's to avoid getting exposed and after it's over it ultimately was pointless....It could've been scrapped entirely from the story, and not one thing would be lost to the viewer.
 
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Thanks for clearing up the Cinder v. Ruby thing for me, I can understand that better and now see why everything went down the toilet even worse than I did before in regards to the earlier Volumes.

Eh, let's agree to disagree with the final version of the Pyrrha death and the Original Plan but I am in agreement over what Jaune would have faced if they went with the original plan because it would become his sole "Never Live It Down" moment before becoming completely solidified as the Scrappy for a long time that it wouldn't ever really leave him.

The whole lying thing when it came to it just didn't really matter as it never gets brought up again after Jaundice;Despite it being a big deal from the foreshadowing of Glynda finding his manuscripts odd, to Jaune making himself the bitch boy of Cardin's to avoid getting exposed and after it's over it ultimately was pointless....It could've been scrapped entirely from the story, and not one thing would be lost to the viewer.

You're welcome with explaining the Ruby vs Cinder thing.

I absolutely agree about there needing to be follow up regarding Jaune cheating his way into Beacon. I mean Ren and Nora didn't even find out. Imagine if Jaune told them and that caused a rift in team JNPR because Ren and Nora now feel upset that Jaune lied to them too. What about Ruby finding out and being mad at Jaune because she takes being a Huntress seriously and worked hard to get to Beacon when he lied his way in. This would give Jaune his own arc about having to rebuild that lost trust with them. There's more they can do but that stuff was just off the top of my head. There did need to be consequences for Jaune cheating his way into Beacon, I just don't think it needed something as severe as someone dying.

But yeah it's a shame that one of the more interesting subplots in Volume 1 which was actually successfully foreshadowed earlier in the season (genuinely one of the only times anything in the show was successfully foreshadowed without being painfully obvious) was ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. That has become a depressing running trend with the show.
 
I never really understood this whole notion of Ruby and Cinder being rivals.

Ruby wasn't really that close to Pyrrha (At best they were semi-aquaintances), so her feeling emotionally devastated enough to go all Super Saiyan with her eyes never made any sense to me, and personally I would prefer the original plan where it was Jaune who got Pyrrha killed because she had to protect his untrained skinny ass but they changed because they were aware that had the original plan went down then Jaune would be more despised than Pyrrha's murderer due to having no combat skills that inevitably were fatal.

I prefer the original version more, because not only would Jaune come to terms with the realization that his lies WERE a dangerous thing that had consequences, but would be better than Ruby's SSJ Solar Flare and no explanation on the Silver-Eyed Warriors which took six goddamn volumes to reach.
Yeah Linkara ended up being.... quite exceptional, but he has made some good points at times. I'll agree with that point about mysterious villains. The mystery is a tease hinting at something deeper. If there's a mystery with nothing behind it that's just an uninteresting smoke and mirrors. You end up with a character no one cares about. And that's what happened with Cinder. She was introduced with a mystery so you'd expect there to be some reveal about her backstory that explained her motivations, but that never came. We only ever got some generic idea that she wants power which doesn't explain anything. There needs to be some sort of backstory that explains why Cinder is doing what she's doing. How exactly did she meet Salem? What caused her to want to destroy Beacon? How did she get so powerful and what is her reason for wanting more power? We get nothing so Cinder just ends up being a completely vapid character.



Cinder was built up as the big bad from the start of the show, and had a showdown with Ruby in episode 1, so her being the protagonist you'd expect there to be some direct conflict between them. That was teased again in Volume 2 when Ruby ran into Cinder in the CCT which just reinforced the idea that this was building to some sort of fight between the two. It's not hard to see why so many people expected a fight between the two or for RT to do something at all with them. But we got nothing cause Volume 3 was more concerned with turning Cinder into a villain sue and trying to contrive the most ridiculous scenario possible that they could kill Pyrrha off in. This stupidity in the writing is what lead to them having to rely on Ruby becoming a deus ex machina to save the day cause they had forced the story in the favor of the villains so hard it was literally impossible for the good guys not to all end up dead without changing things at the last minute, hence Ruby's super laser eyes.

And I'll disagree about Jaune causing Pyrrha's death being good. Sure it might be marginally better than what was got only because what we got was about as bad as it could possibly be, but it would only serve to ruin Jaune's character cause he had barely developed into a somewhat competent person and Pyrrha was literally the entirety of his character development, and with her gone Jaune's character goes down the drain. And considering the fandom already had a super mixed reception about Jaune anyways having him be responsible for getting Pyrrha killed (which was a stupid idea in the first place Monty was absolutely wrong with this) the fandom would completely revile Jaune and no one would care about his development after that. That would trash the only reason they had for killing Pyrrha which was to develop Jaune, and as the show has shown without Pyrrha Jaune has become an entirely dull character with no goals or development. They barely had Jaune interact with Ren and Nora which then made going forward without Pyrrha even worse of an idea because he's barely had a couple of scenes with his other teammates since they focused so hard on him interacting with Pyrrha. And this is such a massive disservice to Pyrrha cause right when they were starting to get into her character in Volume 2 she gets shoved into a nonsensical plotline about the Maidens and becomes the primary character focused on in the season literally to force her into a position to kill her off. Pyrrha still remains completely unexplored as a character and they barely touched on the fact that she's supposed to be a worldwide celebrity yet no one really seems to know that unless it becomes relevant, which it only was for a grand total of two scenes.

I agree Jaune should face some consequences for lying his way into Beacon but this is not the way to do it. Ruby's Silver Eyes ex Machina was a terrible idea but replacing it with another terrible idea won't fix it.
Thanks for clearing up the Cinder v. Ruby thing for me, I can understand that better and now see why everything went down the toilet even worse than I did before in regards to the earlier Volumes.

Eh, let's agree to disagree with the final version of the Pyrrha death and the Original Plan but I am in agreement over what Jaune would have faced if they went with the original plan because it would become his sole "Never Live It Down" moment before becoming completely solidified as the Scrappy for a long time that it wouldn't ever really leave him.

The whole lying thing when it came to it just didn't really matter as it never gets brought up again after Jaundice;Despite it being a big deal from the foreshadowing of Glynda finding his manuscripts odd, to Jaune making himself the bitch boy of Cardin's to avoid getting exposed and after it's over it ultimately was pointless....It could've been scrapped entirely from the story, and not one thing would be lost to the viewer.
Oh yeah, the bully arc is seen by my friends as easily one of the worst things in the series, and one of them says bully arcs in general always suck. And the fake transcripts being forgotten may have been an omen that the writing wouldn't do anything amazing looking back. And even then, V5 STILL had lots of people hating Jaune because of how much focus he took from Ruby to the point where it was a runninh joke that Jaune was the real main character all along.

No wonder I see Jaune dying instead of Phyrra in rewrites. Or at the very least, there's a major overhaul in that department.
 
Speaking of Glynda, does anyone believe she'll ever appear again? The behind the scenes drama has already been mentioned, but in case of Qrow they simply replaced Vic and life went on while Glynda got outright Stalin'd.
>inb4 Glynda is Salem's alter ego
I genuinely don't believe they'll ever bring Glynda back. It feels at this point that she's been retconned out of the show and I think Miles and Kerry (and the rest of RT) are too petty and immature to put aside what happened with Kathleen to put Glynda back in the show, even recast.
 
My personal opinion is that Ruby and Jaune should have been the main characters of the series and there should have been some explanation of why Jaune was allowed to stay in Beacon despite him obviously lacking proper training.

Personally I would have gone a Mulan like route for Jaune * which is ironic because Ren's based on her * where he's taking the place of one of his sisters who fell ill and have him at least know the basics of how to use a sword. I also agree with making him Ozpin's vessel as not only does it give him story importance but it fits with him being based on Jeanne D'Arc who claimed to be a vessel of God.
 
I genuinely don't believe they'll ever bring Glynda back. It feels at this point that she's been retconned out of the show and I think Miles and Kerry (and the rest of RT) are too petty and immature to put aside what happened with Kathleen to put Glynda back in the show, even recast.

Hey man, it’s just like what Barb said

“The voice actor isn’t tied to the character!”

Unless it’s Glynda Goodwitch because RT is still bootyblasted, and can’t get over it.
 
Because I'm a clueless idiot, I gotta ask -- what happened with Glynda's voice actress?
 
I genuinely don't believe they'll ever bring Glynda back. It feels at this point that she's been retconned out of the show and I think Miles and Kerry (and the rest of RT) are too petty and immature to put aside what happened with Kathleen to put Glynda back in the show, even recast.
In their defense, I'm pretty sure it'll be a long time until we get so much as a chance of Glynda being anything relevant in the plot given where the story's going. Sure Glynda not being in Chibi is a thing, but given where the money's at, when will we get a chance for Glynda to matter again?
 
Because I'm a clueless idiot, I gotta ask -- what happened with Glynda's voice actress?
Long story short Glynda's VA (Kathleen Zuelch) went off about Rooster Teeth and nepotism, complaining how someone got a job there just cause she was dating Burnie Burns. On top of that she supported Shane's letter which was calling out RT for how badly they treated people who were close to Monty after his death, and how they hijacked RWBY and tried to throw out everything Monty did and wanted to make it their own thing regardless of how much they trashed everything. So Kathleen, who was a founding member of RT, got booted out and not long after that Glynda was booted from the show with barely a mention before she was never brought up again. It's been several years since then and Glynda hasn't even appeared in RWBY Chibi. She's a complete ghost and has effectively been retconned out of existence.

In their defense, I'm pretty sure it'll be a long time until we get so much as a chance of Glynda being anything relevant in the plot given where the story's going. Sure Glynda not being in Chibi is a thing, but given where the money's at, when will we get a chance for Glynda to matter again?
Considering the fact that Glynda was part of the Ozluminati she has just as much reason to be around anything as Qrow and Ironwood do. She could be in Atlas helping Ironwood, or with Qrow and Ozpin helping out. There's plenty of leeway to fit her in, but they just don't want to.
 
I guess you could say RT being gutted by AT&T and on life support via RWBY now is Karma for all the shady shit they've done since Monty died.
 
Ok so I've been thinking about doing a rwby rewrite myself. So far I've gotten a basic plot outline done (keep in mind that this is just a general outline I've yet to flesh out specifics

Volumes 1-3: The calm

V1: Begins basically the same at the show but ends after the entrance trial and the formation of the teams

V2: Mainly focused on antics at Beacon though some overarching plot stuff occur in the background

V3: Overarching plot begins to get more focus on second half. Blake's reveal as a faunus is pushed back to this point

Volumes 4-6: Warning shots

V4: Investigation of White fang. Adam introduced in this arc

V5: JNPR and RWBY go on their first sanctioned missions. Basically think along the llines of Land of Waves from Naruto

V6: Vytal tournament

Volumes 7-9 fractured peace

V7: Fall of Beacon: Starts right after V6. like in og story beacon falls and this causes relations between other kingdoms to plummet but specifics of the event are different

V8: Recovery from the aftermath of Beacon. Breather volume

V9: Beginning of journey from Vale, ends at Mistral border

Volumes 10, 12, 14: Truth
Flashback volumes the story of STRQ

Volumes 11, 13, 15: Shadow War
Mistral Arc but good

Volumes 16-18: Doomsday Clock
Two main plot threads one dealing with the White Fang and the other dealing with stopping war between the kingdoms

Volumes 19-21: Retaliation
Volumes 19 and 20 focused on Vacuo, Volume 21 focused on liberation of Beacon

Volumes 22, 24, 26: Ancient History
Focused on first great war

Volumes 23, 25, 27:
Focused on war between Salem and rest of humanity

Volumes 28-30: Journey's end
The endgame
 
Oh yeah, the bully arc is seen by my friends as easily one of the worst things in the series, and one of them says bully arcs in general always suck. And the fake transcripts being forgotten may have been an omen that the writing wouldn't do anything amazing looking back. And even then, V5 STILL had lots of people hating Jaune because of how much focus he took from Ruby to the point where it was a runninh joke that Jaune was the real main character all along.

No wonder I see Jaune dying instead of Phyrra in rewrites. Or at the very least, there's a major overhaul in that department.

I don’t really have any hard feelings against Jaundice, sure it does the cliche Bully Arc that every children’s television show has done (Ditto for Children’s Literature, and any books / media involving teenagers) to death to the point where it’s a horse beaten into a glue factory but I didn’t really dislike it since it was over as quickly as it started~ Then again, I joined later after the whole controversial waiting time for it.

Still say Jaune should have become Ozpin's new body.

Honestly, this would’ve provided a bigger conflict and more interest in Jaune’s character than what’s been farted out:Rather than dumping Ozpin in a rehash of Jaune’s character in the form of Oscar, Jaune would be Oz’s new vessel and while at first he would probably be somewhat happy in the boost of power he’d get (Especially to help him be more combat-oriented) the drama of him seeing what RWBY, Qrow, and Oscar did when they saw how everything between Salem & Oz reached this point~ Jaune’s emotions would be very strong.

Compared to Canon, where he gets bothered but the hyped conflict between him and Oscar in the intro didn’t mean shit nor was it as spicy like people expected it to be.
 
Jaune just shouldn't exist. He hogs the spotlight for what's essentially nothing. Almost all of his contributions are existing so exposition gets dumped in a completely unnatural way that only makes his character worse and proving that everyone in RWBY has brain damage because screaming "hit the big red button" and "keep doing what we were doing before and didn't work, it'll work now I swear" is what qualifies for a master tactician and strategical genius.
 
I really liked the start and potential the show had. I had even gotten seasons 1-3, but it seems like Monty either got BTFO'd by upper decisions or had to heavily compromise. I haven't even opened season 4 and I've owned it for years. I stopped keeping up a while back, did his wife ever come out and tell what his vision of the story was? She had apparently been big in helping write and come up with ideas and story direction with him. Haven't cared in years but still would be interesting.
 
I really liked the start and potential the show had. I had even gotten seasons 1-3, but it seems like Monty either got BTFO'd by upper decisions or had to heavily compromise. I haven't even opened season 4 and I've owned it for years. I stopped keeping up a while back, did his wife ever come out and tell what his vision of the story was? She had apparently been big in helping write and come up with ideas and story direction with him. Haven't cared in years but still would be interesting.
His wife was kicked out as soon as he died. That was an issue Shane brought up in his letter. No one talked to her about anything because RT didn't care.
 
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